The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[David48atTD]

Interesting piece ...

US shootings force journalists to make tough decisions about covering gun violence

When a mass shooting takes place in the United States, a morbid question is immediately asked in cash-strapped newsrooms across the country and around the world.
Is the death toll high enough to justify sending reporters to the scene?
Between travel costs and manpower, coverage is expensive. For many media organisations, the threshold for sending a team to the site is a death toll with double figures.
The bloody yardstick is not the only consideration, though it is a common one. In my former ABC bureau in London, 10 or more dead in an Islamic State-inspired terrorist attack in mainland Europe meant we would usually hit the road.

Article is here ... https://tinyurl.com/y26vrkb4

[David48atTD]

Alabama teenager allegedly shoots dead five family members including baby




A 14-year-old American boy has shot and killed five of his family members at their home in Alabama, including a six-month-old baby, before throwing away the pistol and calling police, officials say.

Key points:

• John Sisk worked for a car dealership and was said to have loved his family
• Mary Sisk was a teacher who said she had "four beautiful children"
• The 14-year-old has been charged with five counts of juvenile murders

The shooting occurred on Monday night, local time, in the town of Elkmont, a spokesman for the Limestone County Sheriff's Office told media.
The spokesman said five people were shot, with three dying at the scene and two later in hospital.

According to a later Limestone County Sheriff's tweet, the alleged weapon was a 9mm pistol which was, "in the home illegally".

https://tinyurl.com/y2softzh

Under Alabama Law, is he too young to be charged?

[Stumpy]

My Pops told me the other day that he read that the media does not report gun violence now unless its 5 or more and its not a 'Mass" shooting until 10 or more are killed or injured. I am glad we have a working baseline procedure now on how we report various gun violent acts.

So anything up to 4 isn't important and not newsworthy. Just bury'em

[David48atTD]

My Pops told me the other day that he read that the media does not report gun violence now unless its 5 or more and its not a 'Mass" shooting until 10 or more are killed or injured. I am glad we have a working baseline procedure now on how we report various gun violent acts.

So anything up to 4 isn't important and not newsworthy. Just bury'em

^ ... as sad as that sounds.

I only mentioned it because the Killer was a 14 year old Boy and one of the victims was a 6 month old baby.

RIP to the five

[Stumpy]

^ ... as sad as that sounds.

I only mentioned it because the Killer was a 14 year old Boy and one of the victims was a 6 month old baby.

RIP to the five

Sad it is David. Children killing babies

[harrybarracuda]

[AntRobertson]

Curved hallways to reduce a gunman's line of vision, hiding spots, bulletproof windows, metal detectors, bulletproof backpacks, lock-down systems... Welcome to school, Amerika style.

Because guns.



https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12265292

[AntRobertson]

Let this sink in...

MORE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED BY GUNS SINCE SANDY HOOK THAN U.S. SOLDIERS IN COMBAT SINCE 9/11


https://www.newsweek.com/gun-violenc...SnWuSrTHBVMeLA

It's madness. Pure madness.

[panama hat]

Well, clearly the answer is more guns

[harrybarracuda]

USA! USA! etc.

FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) — A 4-year-old child has died after being shot by a sibling at a Fort Worth home Sunday.

Just before noon Sept. 13, police responded to a shooting call in the 7700 block of Greengage Drive.

When officers arrived, they found a 4-year-old child had been shot. Preliminary reports suggest that a juvenile sibling had shot the child. It has not been confirmed whether the shooting was accidental or intentional.

The child — whose name has not been identified — was shortly transported to a nearby hospital where they were pronounced dead.

Homicide detectives and Crimes Against Children detectives are currently processing the scene and conducting interviews.

This is an ongoing investigation.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/09/15/...in-fort-worth/

[HuangLao]

Well, clearly the answer is more guns

Seems to be the accepted and subconscious fashion.
Lovely culture.

[panama hat]

The child — whose name has not been identified — was shortly transported to a nearby hospital where they were pronounced dead.

One or more or simply Seppo English?


(Now, if only the child had had a gun to defend him/herself)

[raycarey]

[Troy]

It's been a while since the last mass shooting....

...but it just has to happen in the good ol' USA....

Kansas City: Gunman on run after four shot dead in bar
Four people have been killed in a shooting at a bar in Kansas City in the midwestern US state of Kansas.

Local police said in a tweet that five other people were wounded during the incident between 10th and Central Avenue.


The police later told the BBC that the suspect, a Hispanic man, was on the run after the incident.


Further details about the motive and whereabouts of the gunman are still unclear.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49951720

[harrybarracuda]

I was too busy reading about the son-in-law who flew all the way from Norway to Florida to surprise his bride's dad.

And got shot dead by him.

"Happy Birrrrrtttttttthhhhhhhhhdayyyyyyyyyyyy toooooooooo" *bang*.

In an incident on Oct. 1, 61-year-old Richard Dennis, of Gulf Breeze, Fla. mistakenly shot his son-in-law dead after the latter had flown from Norway and decided to surprise him for his birthday. Christopher Bergan, 37, was the husband of Dennis’ daughter, who also lives in Norway — it is not believed she was present at the time of the shooting.
At a Thursday press conference, Santa Rosa County Sheriff Bob Johnson said the event was a “horrible accident,” and that the Sheriff’s department is not pursuing charges.
Johnson said a relative, in an unrelated incident, had startled Dennis earlier that evening by “banging” on the front door of his home. The two had an altercation and Dennis chased the relative away.
Later that night, at about 11:30 p.m., Bergan landed after flying in from Norway. He decided to surprise Dennis on his birthday by knocking on the back door of Dennis’ home and hiding amid bushes in the back yard. When Dennis answered the door and Bergan jumped out, Dennis shot him once, killing him instantly.

https://time.com/5693273/florida-man...se-shoots-son/

[Troy]

Not safe in your own bedroom anymore?

Black woman shot dead by Texas police through bedroom window

A black woman was shot dead by police through her own bedroom window in the early hours of Saturday morning, after a request to check on her welfare.


Atatiana Jefferson, 28, had been living at the residence in Fort Worth, Texas with her eight-year-old nephew. A neighbour had called a non-emergency police number after growing concerned that her front door was open at night. Police have released body cam footage of the incident, which shows an officer shooting within seconds of seeing her. The clip shows police searching the perimeter of the residential property, before noticing a figure at the window. After demanding the person put their hands up, an officer then fired a shot through the glass.


The Fort Worth Police Department said in a statement that the officer, who is a white man, had "perceived a threat" when he drew his weapon.


He has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation, officials added.


The shooting happened at about 02:30 local time (07:30 GMT) on Saturday morning.

...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50032290


Police are there to protect not fooking kill on sight ...

...I'd have been pretty upset if a squaddie opened fire that quick in a bloody war zone, let alone a peaceful neighbourhood.

[cyrille]

Republicans propose mass student surveillance plan to prevent shootings
A new Senate bill would give a federally mandated boost to America’s growing school surveillance industry.

Senate Republicans have a new plan for preventing mass shootings: require public schools to use surveillance technology to monitor students’ online behavior for signs of violence or self-harm.


A new Republican bill that claims “to help prevent mass shootings” includes no new gun control measures. Instead, Republican lawmakers are supporting a huge, federally mandated boost to America’s growing school surveillance industry.


Millions of American students, across thousands of school districts, are already being monitored by tech companies that scan everything they write in school emails, chats and shared documents, looking for signs of suicidal thoughts or plans for a school shooting. This surveillance technology doesn’t turn off when the school day is over: anything students type in official school accounts is monitored 24 hours a day, whether they are in their classrooms or their bedrooms.

There is still no research evidence that demonstrates whether or not online monitoring of schoolchildren actually works to prevent violence.


Despite this, new legislation introduced Wednesday by Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican and longtime ally of the National Rifle Association (NRA), would update the Children’s Internet Protection Act to mandate that public schools adopt “a technology protection measure that detects online activities of minors who are at risk of committing self-harm or extreme violence against others”.


A spokesperson for Cornyn did not immediately respond to a request for comment on why he and other Senate Republicans are mandating that public schools adopt a new technology before there is any clear evidence that it’s effective in preventing violence.

The Cornyn bill, entitled the Response Act, includes a range of other policies without strong evidence of reducing mass shootings, including expediting the federal death penalty for perpetrators of mass shootings, a priority of Donald Trump.


Privacy advocates say pervasive surveillance is not appropriate for an educational setting, and that it may actually harm children, particularly students with disabilities and students of color, who are already disproportionately targeted with school disciplinary measures.


“You are forcing schools into a position where they would have to surveil by default,” said Amelia Vance, the director of education privacy at the Future of Privacy Forum.


“There’s a privacy debate to be had about whether surveillance is the right tactic to take in schools, whether it inhibits students trust in their schools and their ability to learn,” Vance said. But “the bottom line,” she said, is “we do not have evidence that violence prediction works”.

There’s no hard data on how many public schools are already monitoring what students write 24 hours a day. But Vance estimates that only a third of US school districts, at most, currently use this technology.


If Cornyn’s bill becomes law, “you’re going to force probably 10,000 districts to buy a new product that they’re going to have to implement”, she said.


That would mean redirecting public schools’ time and money away from strategies that are backed by evidence, such as supporting mental health and counseling services, and towards dealing with surveillance technologies, which often produce many false alarms, like alerts about essays on To Kill a Mockingbird.


Fear of school shootings has already fueled rapid growth in the school surveillance industry, particularly after a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, last year left 17 people dead. Companies that sell this technology are marketing it to schools with bold claims of lives saved – numbers based only on internal, anecdotal estimates, not independent analysis.


One leading school surveillance company, Gaggle, says its technology is currently used to monitor 4.5 million students across 1,400 school districts. The company claims that in the last academic year alone its technology “helped districts save the lives of more than 700 students who were planning or actually attempting suicide”.

Securly, another company, says its products are used to protect 10 million students across 10,000 individual schools. In the past year, Securly said it helped school officials intervene in 400 situations that presented an “imminent threat”.


Another company, Bark says it works with at least 1,400 school districts across the country, and claims its technology has helped prevent “16 credible school shootings” and detected “twenty thousand severe self-harm situations”. Bark, which sells a for-profit app to help parents monitor what their children are doing online, offers its surveillance technology to schools for free.


First passed in 2000, the Children’s Internet Protection Act was originally designed to make sure that American kids would not be looking at porn on taxpayer-funded school computers. It currently requires schools to monitor students’ “online activities”, although privacy experts say that what that means – and what constitutional limits there may be on the monitoring – have never been clearly defined.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-surveillance

[AntRobertson]

Wait... so some of the very same people who decry gun control as a limit of their freedoms now want a massive and obtrusive surveillance system!?

U.S.Aye??

[Klondyke]

Republicans propose mass student surveillance plan to prevent shootings

Why not to furnish the schools like a military base? Or perhaps like a prison where rarely the inmates are shot at... (OK, some hang themselves...)

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

3 men were killed and 9 people were injured after a shooting at a Halloween party in Long Beach, California

Three people were killed and nine others were injured in a shooting in Long Beach, California on Tuesday, according to the Long Beach Fire Department. The incident occurred around 10:45 p.m. at a residence on Seventh Street.
No description of the shooter, who remains at large, has been released.
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At least three men were killed and nine people were rushed to the hospital after a shooting at a Halloween party at a Long Beach, California, home Tuesday night, according to the Long Beach Fire Department.
The fire department tweeted that they were called to a house on the 2700 block of Seventh Street at 10:44 p.m., where they found three dead men and nine injured adults. Five of the injured were in life-threatening condition while the other four were in non-life-threatening condition. Seven of the injured were women between the ages of 20 and 49, and two were men in their late 20s, according to a press release from the Long Beach Police Department.
The victims’ ages and cities of residence are as follows, according to the release:

• 20-year-old female resident of the City of Anaheim
• 27-year-old female resident of the City of Hawthorne
• 27-year-old male resident of the City of Cudahy
• 28-year-old female resident of the City of Los Angeles
• 28-year-old female resident of the City of Gardena
• 29-year-old male resident of the City of Hawthorne
• 30-year-old female resident of the City of Compton
• 32-year-old female resident of the City of Lawndale
• 49-year-old female resident of the City of Los Angeles

The three dead men appeared to be in their 20s, according to ABC 7.
The suspect, who remains at large, opened fire from an alley located behind the residence, police said.
The press release described the shooter as “a male of an unknown race wearing dark-colored clothing with his face concealed,” and police believe he fled in a dark-colored vehicle. Police told ABC 7 that they are looking into whether the shooter knew the victims at the party or if it was random.
“This is a tragic incident that is not at all reflective of our community,” Long Beach Police Department Chief of Police Robert Luna said in a statement. “We are committed to working tirelessly to bring those responsible to justice and provide the victims with the services they need.”
Footage from the local outlet showed paramedics treating patients on the scene before they were taken to the hospital.
Jennifer de Prez, a spokesperson for the Long Beach Police Department, said victims were found inside and outside the house, according to The New York Times.
Jake Heflin, a spokesman for the fire department, told ABC 7 that the shooting took place at a Halloween costume party, where there were 25-30 people in attendance.
“Obviously, our thoughts and prayers go out to the families that have been impacted by this tragic event,” Helfin told NBC News.

• Read more:
• The Army is vaguely warning about a ‘potential mass shooting’ at the premiere of the new ‘Joker’ movie

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other...nia/ar-AAJzOSv

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Two people are reported dead and at least 14 injured after gunfire broke out at a late-night party in Greenville, Texas, meant to celebrate Texas A&M University-Commerce’s homecoming, according to the Hunt County Sheriff's Office.
On Monday, the office identified the two people who died as 23-year-old Kevin Berry Jr., of Dallas, and 23-year-old Byron Craven Jr., of Arlington.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10...enville-party/

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Have just read through this entire thread. Noticed there have not been updates for a little while, but after a quick search, I came across the 2 recent incidents above. If I found those so easily, there are clearly a lot of shootings that dont get added to the thread. It`s mind blowing to read the statistics and charts posted here - thousands upon thousands of students alone, that die at the hand of a gun.

The culture is clearly too deeply entrenched for any real change to happen, despite the never ending piles of dead bodies. The power that the NRA hold over politicians too afraid to come out and just vote on a ban of the worst kind of weapons is mind blowing.

Despite students coming out in their masses pleading for change, nobody in the postion to has the balls to take the steps to implement real change.

This thread will never have a shortage of posts, as long as posters can be bothered posting updates.

Pure madness

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

quick search, and another...


7-year-old in bumblebee costume shot while trick-or-treating

A 7-year-old girl trick-or-treating in a bumblebee outfit was critically injured Thursday night during a shooting on Chicago's West Side. A video that has since gone viral shows trick-or-treaters running as the shots rang out.



The gunfire began when a group of men started chasing a 31-year-old man and began firing, according to police News Affairs Sargent Rocco Alioto. That man, who was shot in the hand, was taken to a local hospital where he's in stable condition.
But two of the bullets hit the 7-year-old girl, who was out collecting candy with her family. Fire Department spokesman Larry Langford says the girl was shot in the lower neck area Thursday and was taken by paramedics to a local hospital. Alioto said she's in critical condition.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/little-...ng-2019-10-31/

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

[QUOTE]'Tarzan' star's son was unarmed when he was fatally shot by deputies, officials say[/QUOTE]

[The younger Ely, a 30-year-old Harvard University graduate, was killed Oct. 15 by four deputies who came to the actor’s California home in the nearby Hope Ranch area.

I get it - he killed his mother and was acting crazy, but being unarmed, are FOUR officers who would have been no doubt carrying tasers make it just another senseless death .... by the cops!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...012251765.html

[cyrille]

Have just read through this entire thread. Noticed there have not been updates for a little while, but after a quick search, I came across the 2 recent incidents above. If I found those so easily, there are clearly a lot of shootings that dont get added to the thread. It`s mind blowing to read the statistics and charts posted here - thousands upon thousands of students alone, that die at the hand of a gun.

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/