The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[RPETER65]

I'm guessing these veterans know more than some addled coffin dodger.

Quite possibly not,as a veteran of war myself and quite familiar with weapons used in war I can assure you true weapons of war are illegal in the US.In the title of your post is the key word,style. The only thing in common is the look other than that AR15 replicas are just rifles never intended to be used in war.

[tomcat]

I can assure you true weapons of war are illegal in the US

...so, you're saying the AR-15 is not a weapon of war but a simple deer hunting tool then...

[RPETER65]

As I understand it, the key demands of the youth movement are:

- Ban on AR-15's
- Comprehensive (and working) background checks with no loopholes like gun shows, etc.
- No guns until 21


All of which seem to me to be a reasonable compromise.

So do you have a valid argument against any of those Earl or are you just going to spit piss and scream "but they won't stop there!".

The only one I have a problem with is the age limit being 21,if 18 year olds are responsible enough to vote or serve in the armed forces they certainly should be deemed responsible enough to purchase a gun.

[harrybarracuda]

The only one I have a problem with is the age limit being 21,if 18 year olds are responsible enough to vote or serve in the armed forces they certainly should be deemed responsible enough to purchase a gun.

Well voting never killed anyone, and their weapons in the military are controlled.

So it's not much of a comparison.

[harrybarracuda]

Quite possibly not,as a veteran of war myself and quite familiar with weapons used in war I can assure you true weapons of war are illegal in the US.In the title of your post is the key word,style. The only thing in common is the look other than that AR15 replicas are just rifles never intended to be used in war.

Yes but the AR-15 is a bit different from the weapons you used when you were young.

[RPETER65]

...so, you're saying the AR-15 is not a weapon of war but a simple deer hunting tool then...

Where did you see the word deer or hunting in my post,you might also consider self protection and sport shooting but weapon of war no.

[AntRobertson]

Isn't the drinking age in most States 21 also?

Can buy an AR-15, can vote, can join the military... can't buy a beer.

[RPETER65]

[QUOTE=harrybarracuda;3742435]Yes but the AR-15 is a bit different from the weapons you used when you were young.

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Not so much,modeled after the M16 which was standard issue in Vietnam.

[harrybarracuda]

I notice that many of the NRA drones have all been wailing and gnashing their teeth at this image, which shows one of the Parkland survivors "tearing up the constitution". You can imagine the blather.



Only it turns out that none of them bothered to check that the image was real. And it isn't.

Turns out it was an image of her holding a target which some wanker photoshopped.

Stupid people.

[harrybarracuda]

In fact all of this sounds perfectly reasonable and the public seem to agree.

[AntRobertson]

^^Well these are some of the same people who are prepared to disregard parts of the Constitution... to defend their rights under the Constitution.

IQ tests aren't required. Probably actively discouraged.

[Davis Knowlton]

"Weapon of War" is a stupid phrase. A club, a knife, a machete can be a weapon of war. Meaningless phrase. An AR-15 which can be legally purchased is nothing more than a semi-automatic version of an M-16, which cannot be legally purchased other than by certain, licensed, people. Either/both can be labeled as a 'weapon of war'. The only difference is that the fully automatic weapon spews rounds downrange faster.

[AntRobertson]

Are you familiar with the M16, Davis? I'm presuming you've fired one before?

Would my understanding be correct that they'd not as often be used on full auto in the field because of accuracy concerns?

[Davis Knowlton]

Are you familiar with the M16, Davis? I'm presuming you've fired one before?

Carried one in Vietnam for a year - either an M-16 or a Car-15. Have used them many, many times since. In fact, I have one here in my office.

[AntRobertson]

In fact, I have one here in my office.

Have used them many, many times since.

... Just because it's funny.

Soz, my post edit above must've crossed with you post though.

Did/do you use it on full auto often?

[Davis Knowlton]

... Just because it's funny.

Soz, my post edit above must've crossed with you post though.

Did/do you use it on full auto often?

Disciplined troops rarely fire on full auto. First, you don't hit shit and second, your basic load is 21 magazines of 18 rounds each. That's less than 400 rounds. You can run through that in minutes on full auto. Can't recall ever simply holding the trigger down and draining a mag. Rather pointless....

[RPETER65]

In fact all of this sounds perfectly reasonable and the public seem to agree.

Agree with 1,8,and 9.

[AntRobertson]

Disciplined troops rarely fire on full auto. First, you don't hit shit and second, your basic load is 21 magazines of 18 rounds each. That's less than 400 rounds. You can run through that in minutes on full auto. Can't recall ever simply holding the trigger down and draining a mag. Rather pointless....

Goodo, cheers.

Pretty much what I thought would be the case.

[Davis Knowlton]

Goodo, cheers.

Pretty much what I thought would be the case.

It's called 'spray and pray'. I think meaning pray you get lucky and hit something. Realistically, pray you find a big rock to throw at them when you're out of ammo.

[Mr Earl]

...^red herring, Earl...repetition only makes that more obvious...

Only a red herring to someone sporting the leftist gun-grabber agenda.

If the concern was truly about the safety of the students this shooter in Lakeland FL would've been stopped long before he got to the point of buying a firearm.
It clearly showcases failures of the school administration, local law enforcement, and the FBI.

The red herring is trying to shift the issue from school safety to firearm prohibition.

Going on hysterical highly emotional diatribes against the NRA does nothing to promote school safety in the near term or the long term.

The flaws clearly and are most factually evident lie within the school system and law enforcement.

Seems like the leftist with the gun-grabber agenda is unable to reason through basic facts of this particular tragedy.

Instead they fan the emotions and hysteria of the victims to suit their agenda.

And the end result will be more firearm sales, as what happened with the Obama firearm gesticulations.

[AntRobertson]

It's a red herring because you're framing this shooter and the incident as though it typifies all school shootings and shooters. It simply doesn't.

What about those that previously haven't raised any red flags.

It's also a red herring because of your emotive use of 'gun grabbers'.

[Mr Earl]

^ very clear disassociation and divorce from the facts. You cannot address the facts of this shooting without obfuscation of the facts with another unrelated shooting. Perfect example of leftist dishonesty.

And a perfect example of leftist opportunistic use of tragedies and their victims for the gun-grabber agenda.

[AntRobertson]

Yeah that makes no sense.

This is the ‘Americans Getting Shot’ thread and covers all shootings up to, including, and past the one you’re trying to turn into a red-herring, Earl.

[harrybarracuda]

^ very clear disassociation and divorce from the facts. You cannot address the facts of this shooting without obfuscation of the facts with another unrelated shooting. Perfect example of leftist dishonesty.

And a perfect example of leftist opportunistic use of tragedies and their victims for the gun-grabber agenda.

You're doing it again. This "gun grabber" bullshit is straight out of the "NRA for Dummies" handbook.

Not once have they mentioned taking anyone's gun away.

Why do you persist with this stupid argument? Are you that stupid that you think people will believe you?

[Farangrakthai]

If the concern was truly about the safety of the students this shooter in Lakeland FL would've been stopped long before he got to the point of buying a firearm.
It clearly showcases failures of the school administration, local law enforcement, and the FBI.

Yeah that makes no sense.

hey you fucking moron (ant says this is normal speech with his group of friends):

earl makes a good point.

do you fucking think that all guns will be banned in america?

dream on, you fucking moron.

People swear FaRT, all the time,