The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Mr Earl]

^How sweet, the numpty's out getting some exercise, and working themselves in an emotional frenzy of righteousness.

Completely ignoring the dumbed down social justice education system and fuckwit government entities which set the stage for such tragedy.

[tomcat]

Completely ignoring the dumbed down social justice education system and fuckwit government entities which set the stage for such tragedy

...a red herring tossed from the weeds...

[Mr Earl]

...a red herring tossed from the weeds...

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

[tomcat]

...another generous donation from the red herring basket...

[AntRobertson]

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

Bullshit.

[Mr Earl]

Bullshit.

Oh sure maybe I got it all wrong, perhaps the Australia gun ban ushered in prosperity and personal security. I'm sure you have the data..right...

[AntRobertson]

I got it all wrong

Yep. As per usual.

[Barty]

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

What are you on about?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/

[AntRobertson]

What are you on about?

Nothing. He just makes shit up.

And having now made it up he will keep repeating it as a 'Fact!' even though it's easily disproved.

That's how dumb he is.

[Latindancer]

Oh sure maybe I got it all wrong, perhaps the Australia gun ban ushered in prosperity and personal security. I'm sure you have the data..right...

Well, I'm here in Oz currently. And although modern life has ushered in a lot of alcohol-related violence (usually idiotic youths), road rage and a certain amount of (unavoidable) gang-related violence, we don't really register on the scale of what is going on in the USA.

We did have a couple of terrorist shootings, but the police found out who they were and threw them into the slammer.

Starngely enough, after watching whilst a schoolboy the movie "If" (starring Malcolm McDowell in his pre-Clockwork Orange days), I did fantasize about shooting my school headmaster and a couple of teachers. That movie glorified it..........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If....

[misskit]

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

Linkypoo?

[uncle junior]

Linkypoo?

From Snopes....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

[Mr Earl]

What are you on about?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/

Maybe the graph is upside down, but it show that between 1996 and 2001 robberies nearly doubled.
Unarmed people are so much easier targets.

[AntRobertson]

Nothing. He just makes shit up.

And having now made it up he will keep repeating it as a 'Fact!' even though it's easily disproved.

That's how dumb he is.

...

Maybe the graph is upside down, but it show that between 1996 and 2001 robberies nearly doubled.
Unarmed people are so much easier targets.

...see, told ya.

[Mr Earl]

^ so in your twisted little freakazoid world robberies aren't violent crime!

Maybe the victims simply volunteered to be robbed, I reckon Australians are a queer breed..

[AntRobertson]

You said:

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

That's bullshit.

And now you're trying to obfuscate and shift the posts.

You are Fake News.

[Hugh Cow]

Sorry Earl. On this one you are wrong. Gun deaths have gone down and we now have not had a mass shooting for 22 years and this is coming from someone who loved his rifles (I had three). I like many others handed in our rifles for the greater good and I still believe it was the right thing to do. From all the stats I've seen a gun may make you feel safer but in actuality does not make you safer, in fact the opposite.

[Mr Earl]

Sorry Earl. On this one you are wrong. Gun deaths have gone down and we now have not had a mass shooting for 22 years and this is coming from someone who loved his rifles (I had three). I like many others handed in our rifles for the greater good and I still believe it was the right thing to do. From all the stats I've seen a gun may make you feel safer but in actuality does not make you safer, in fact the opposite.

Sure, but gun deaths were never very high to begin with
The most obvious unintended consequence was that violent crime (robberies) did indeed go up dramatically.
This might be considered very significant unless you're a twisted freakshow like Anty McPanties who doesn't consider robberies to be violent crime.

[harrybarracuda]

Sure, but gun deaths were never very high to begin with
The most obvious unintended consequence was that violent crime (robberies) did indeed go up dramatically.
This might be considered very significant unless you're a twisted freakshow like Anty McPanties who doesn't consider robberies to be violent crime.

You seem to be missing a bit Mr. Earl:

while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then.

Seems to be to be an added bonus given that

For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.
The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33)
Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

In other words, the quicker guns were gone, the quicker all firearms deaths dropped.

Win/Win!

[AntRobertson]

The most obvious unintended consequence was that violent crime (robberies) did indeed go up dramatically.

Bullshit.

[Mr Earl]

You seem to be missing a bit Mr. Earl:



Seems to be to be an added bonus given that



In other words, the quicker guns were gone, the quicker all firearms deaths dropped.

Win/Win!

Sure an already low gun death rate remained low..

But violent crime rose dramatically right after the gun banning.

Of course the demographics between AUS and USA are very different and topic for another discussion.

[AntRobertson]

Compare and contrast:

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

But violent crime rose dramatically right after the gun banning.

...

Nothing. He just makes shit up.

And having now made it up he will keep repeating it as a 'Fact!' even though it's easily disproved.

That's how dumb he is.

Called it!

[Mr Earl]

Called it!

Fail again Anty
Violent crime rose over 50% the first five years after the gun ban.

News flash dumbshit; robbery is indeed a violent crime.

[AntRobertson]

Violent crime rose over 50% the first five years after the gun ban.

News flash dumbshit; robbery is indeed a violent crime.

Bullshit.

Your level of stupid is up 1000%

[Crestofawave]

Of course the demographics between AUS and USA are very different and topic for another discussion.

Well, why did you introduce AUS into the thread then? (post 3053)