Thread: Why are the Republicans trying to kill the post office?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If the USPS is such a cash cow why would tax payer money be needed to subsidize it.

It's a social service, part of the government. Words like 'subsidize' are used by corrupt folks to confuse the electorate into thinking its a separate entity, outside of the government; pre-privatization discourse if you will. Forcing capitalist discourse onto government is much loved by republicans and conservatives (& new labour) here in the UK, but it does not apply because the marketplace and government bodies are not the same; in fact they are very different, so you should challenge anybody who uses market economy discourse for governmental departments - especially if they are the ones who will financially benefit from a form of privatization...

Now, all the information is there for you to read. I'm not gonna start a discussion with a fukwit who only believes what they have already decided to believe and is not willing to engage their critical thinking skills. Such folk would enjoy watching Fox, going to church and being a member of the local gun club... Of course, the crony capitalists rely on the ignorance of such folk which is why you will always be welcome and loved at Walmart. No offence...

Wasn't aware walmart operated in Thailand.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

my question was if it is doing well why is it being subsidized I was not questioning the fact that it is making money. I have read the articles and understand what the republicans are are doing to the USPS moron.

Obviously you do not understand or you would not be asking such asinine questions. The USPS is not subsidized it is a stand alone government agency. The post office pays its own way from revenue generated from postage.

That said it is losing money for one reason and one reason only. The absurd retiree health benefit prefunding payments implemented by a Republican congress hell bent on destroying a successful government agency.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? It has been posted in the very first post of this thread. I made it very clear as have several other posters yet you still seem to not understand.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

my question was if it is doing well why is it being subsidized I was not questioning the fact that it is making money. I have read the articles and understand what the republicans are are doing to the USPS moron.

Obviously you do not understand or you would not be asking such asinine questions. The USPS is not subsidized it is a stand alone government agency. The post office pays its own way from revenue generated from postage.

That said it is losing money for one reason and one reason only. The absurd retiree health benefit prefunding payments implemented by a Republican congress hell bent on destroying a successful government agency.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? It has been posted in the very first post of this thread. I made it very clear as have several other posters yet you still seem to not understand.

I guess you didn't read post #9 where my question came from, moron.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

my question was if it is doing well why is it being subsidized I was not questioning the fact that it is making money. I have read the articles and understand what the republicans are are doing to the USPS moron.

Obviously you do not understand or you would not be asking such asinine questions. The USPS is not subsidized it is a stand alone government agency. The post office pays its own way from revenue generated from postage.

That said it is losing money for one reason and one reason only. The absurd retiree health benefit prefunding payments implemented by a Republican congress hell bent on destroying a successful government agency.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? It has been posted in the very first post of this thread. I made it very clear as have several other posters yet you still seem to not understand.

I believe I responded in a previous post that I did understand the cause of the USPS looking bad financially, why do you make these idiotic posts do you like to show your lack of comprehension skills.

Seems like some of snubs best mates, the Democrats, have a rather substantial reason to aid the goppers.

Senator?s husband stands to profit big from government deal | Page Six

Ever wonder how lowly paid lawmakers leave office filthy rich?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein is showing how it’s done.
The US Postal Service plans to sell 56 buildings — so it can lease space more expensively — and the real estate company of the California senator’s husband, Richard Blum, is set to pocket about $1 billion in commissions.
Blum’s company, CBRE, was selected in March 2011 as the sole real estate agent on sales expected to fetch $19 billion. Most voters didn’t notice that Blum is a member of CBRE’s board and served as chairman from 2001 to 2014.
This feat of federal spousal support was ignored by the media after Feinstein’s office said the senator, whose wealth is pegged at $70 million, had nothing to do with the USPS decisions.
When the national debt is $18 trillion, a billion seems like small change.

Jeeeese why don't you both shake hands under the understanding that they are all as bad as each other! Is so obvious even a child in "special classes" could understand it. Neither democrat or republican give a rats arse about the "normal people"; those with less than 20 million in the bank because they can not help them personally to stay in power.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Seems like some of snubs best mates, the Democrats, have a rather substantial reason to aid the goppers.

Senator?s husband stands to profit big from government deal | Page Six

Ever wonder how lowly paid lawmakers leave office filthy rich?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein is showing how it’s done.
The US Postal Service plans to sell 56 buildings — so it can lease space more expensively — and the real estate company of the California senator’s husband, Richard Blum, is set to pocket about $1 billion in commissions.
Blum’s company, CBRE, was selected in March 2011 as the sole real estate agent on sales expected to fetch $19 billion. Most voters didn’t notice that Blum is a member of CBRE’s board and served as chairman from 2001 to 2014.
This feat of federal spousal support was ignored by the media after Feinstein’s office said the senator, whose wealth is pegged at $70 million, had nothing to do with the USPS decisions.
When the national debt is $18 trillion, a billion seems like small change.

It's good that you dragged up some non-story from the recent past.

That Feinstein eh, organising it to line her own pockets.

Other than being a member of Congress, Feinstein holds no unique position of authority over the Postal Service. She is not a member, for example, of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which has jurisdiction over the Postal Service.
To the contrary, Feinstein cosponsored an amendment to the 21st Century Postal Service Act of 2012 that tried to limit post office closings. The purpose of the amendment:

To require the Postal Service to consider the effect of closing or consolidating a postal facility on the ability of the affected community to vote by mail and to provide for a moratorium on the closing or consolidation of post offices and postal facilities to protect the ability to vote by mail.

Oops.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

u are admitting that the effort to destroy the post office has nothing to do with its actual operations. If the GOP gets their way and a Dem profits from it the schadenfreude will be a good laugh though.

Exactly!

The reason that the post office is selling these damn buildings in the first place is due to reasons stated in my original post. It is because of Republicans requiring the the post office to pre-fund their pensions. If it wasn't for that reason these buildings would not be for sale and this corruption would not be taking place.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Jeeeese why don't you both shake hands under the understanding that they are all as bad as each other! Is so obvious even a child in "special classes" could understand it.

Well no shit Sherlock thanks for that golden nugget. The fact is that while they are both bad until there is some sort of uprising or peoples revolution (which I am waiting for) we are stuck with them.

The key is however that they are decidedly different. In many cases they get their money from different places and that is a very key point to make.

Democrats get their money mainly from Hollywood, labor unions and tech companies and their billionaire founders etc. They also get a lot more individual taxpayer donations from the middle class.

Republicans get their money from the likes of Koch industries, Halliburton, big oil, Walmart, and most of the nastiest oligarchs this reside in this country. In short it is much nastier money.

Very key differences. Until something better comes along Democrats are a far better little Dutch boy. I personally care about the environment, see the painfully clear writing on the wall regarding climate change, believe that a women should have control over her own body, do not want to see labor unions attacked and dismantled etc etc etc. I could go on and on.

Both stink but one much worse.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Seems like some of snubs best mates, the Democrats, have a rather substantial reason to aid the goppers.

Senator?s husband stands to profit big from government deal | Page Six

Ever wonder how lowly paid lawmakers leave office filthy rich?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein is showing how it’s done.
The US Postal Service plans to sell 56 buildings — so it can lease space more expensively — and the real estate company of the California senator’s husband, Richard Blum, is set to pocket about $1 billion in commissions.
Blum’s company, CBRE, was selected in March 2011 as the sole real estate agent on sales expected to fetch $19 billion. Most voters didn’t notice that Blum is a member of CBRE’s board and served as chairman from 2001 to 2014.
This feat of federal spousal support was ignored by the media after Feinstein’s office said the senator, whose wealth is pegged at $70 million, had nothing to do with the USPS decisions.
When the national debt is $18 trillion, a billion seems like small change.

It's good that you dragged up some non-story from the recent past.

That Feinstein eh, organising it to line her own pockets.

Other than being a member of Congress, Feinstein holds no unique position of authority over the Postal Service. She is not a member, for example, of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which has jurisdiction over the Postal Service.
To the contrary, Feinstein cosponsored an amendment to the 21st Century Postal Service Act of 2012 that tried to limit post office closings. The purpose of the amendment:

To require the Postal Service to consider the effect of closing or consolidating a postal facility on the ability of the affected community to vote by mail and to provide for a moratorium on the closing or consolidation of post offices and postal facilities to protect the ability to vote by mail.

Oops.

Right. So your contention is that, with $1b on the line for her personal pocket (husband, whats mine is yours etc) she has not been working hard to make it happen then?

nice one iphone harry tittletattle. Again you show yourself to be very simple.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's good that you dragged up some non-story from the recent past.

That Feinstein eh, organising it to line her own pockets.

Other than being a member of Congress, Feinstein holds no unique position of authority over the Postal Service. She is not a member, for example, of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which has jurisdiction over the Postal Service.
To the contrary, Feinstein cosponsored an amendment to the 21st Century Postal Service Act of 2012 that tried to limit post office closings. The purpose of the amendment:

To require the Postal Service to consider the effect of closing or consolidating a postal facility on the ability of the affected community to vote by mail and to provide for a moratorium on the closing or consolidation of post offices and postal facilities to protect the ability to vote by mail.

Oops.

Right. So your contention is that, with $1b on the line for her personal pocket (husband, whats mine is yours etc) she has not been working hard to make it happen then?

nice one iphone harry tittletattle. Again you show yourself to be very simple.

So despite her having nothing to do with the decision, putting forward an amendment against it and the contract being awarded to the biggest commercial real estate firm in the world, it's obvious corruption.

^ Another point is that the post office contracted with this company to sell the buildings in 2011. Her husband became chairmen of the board in 2013. Also neither her nor her husband will pocket $1 billion the real estate company will.

This is a typical post for pseudo. The link he posted was also the NY Post which is a Rupert Murdoch right wing rag. The news is biased until it fits in with his absurd world viewpoint.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Jeeeese why don't you both shake hands under the understanding that they are all as bad as each other! Is so obvious even a child in "special classes" could understand it. Neither democrat or republican give a rats arse about the "normal people"; those with less than 20 million in the bank because they can not help them personally to stay in power.

You say that as if you believe it to be some sort of earth shattering revelation that until now only you have been privy to and it is now your burden to enlighten the rest of us.

PSA: It isn't.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Seems like some of snubs best mates, the Democrats, have a rather substantial reason to aid the goppers.

Senator?s husband stands to profit big from government deal | Page Six

Ever wonder how lowly paid lawmakers leave office filthy rich?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein is showing how it’s done.
The US Postal Service plans to sell 56 buildings — so it can lease space more expensively — and the real estate company of the California senator’s husband, Richard Blum, is set to pocket about $1 billion in commissions.
Blum’s company, CBRE, was selected in March 2011 as the sole real estate agent on sales expected to fetch $19 billion. Most voters didn’t notice that Blum is a member of CBRE’s board and served as chairman from 2001 to 2014.
This feat of federal spousal support was ignored by the media after Feinstein’s office said the senator, whose wealth is pegged at $70 million, had nothing to do with the USPS decisions.
When the national debt is $18 trillion, a billion seems like small change.

It's good that you dragged up some non-story from the recent past.

That Feinstein eh, organising it to line her own pockets.

Other than being a member of Congress, Feinstein holds no unique position of authority over the Postal Service. She is not a member, for example, of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which has jurisdiction over the Postal Service.
To the contrary, Feinstein cosponsored an amendment to the 21st Century Postal Service Act of 2012 that tried to limit post office closings. The purpose of the amendment:

To require the Postal Service to consider the effect of closing or consolidating a postal facility on the ability of the affected community to vote by mail and to provide for a moratorium on the closing or consolidation of post offices and postal facilities to protect the ability to vote by mail.

Oops.

Right. So your contention is that, with $1b on the line for her personal pocket (husband, whats mine is yours etc) she has not been working hard to make it happen then?

nice one iphone harry tittletattle. Again you show yourself to be very simple.

No, my contention is that, like all good Republitards, you are sensationalising and exaggerating one aspect of the story and deliberately leaving out pertinent facts, in order to try and get a rise.

Pretty predictable - and predictably easily debunked.

If you actually look at the facts of the story, what you've posted is utter bollocks as usual.

You know, little facts like:

The email also claims that CBRE Group receives a 6 percent commission “on each and every one” of the Postal Service properties it sells. That is inaccurate. According to Brennan, “the rate of commission varies by the value of the transaction based on a scaled fee structure.” Both commission amounts and the fee structure upon which they are based are confidential, so we do not know how much the company will receive in sales commissions.

Or

A 2012 report by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs said the Postal Service handled 168 billion pieces of mail in fiscal 2011 — down 21 percent from a peak of more than 213 billion in fiscal 2006. By the spring of 2012, the Postal Service was losing an estimated $25 million a day, according to the Senate committee.
The Postal Service has combated its financial problems in several ways, including raising postage prices and selling off post office buildings and property. The properties currently for sale were chosen because they were “no longer operationally required” or had “significant excess space,” Brennan said.

Or

Also, the Postal Service has policies designed to minimize the influence of politics. It is overseen by a board of governors (much like a for-profit company’s board of directors) and the postmaster general. Governors “are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate” and serve seven-year terms (see page 52 of a report on the agency’s history). Only five of the nine governors at any time can be members of the same political party. The board of governors is responsible for appointing the postmaster general and “sets policies on all postal matters.” Governors may be removed only for cause.

Or

In July 2011, the Postal Service entered into an exclusive contract with the real estate firm CB Richard Ellis Group Inc. (CBRE) to sell surplus Postal Service properties. Blum, Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s husband, is the chairman of the company’s board of directors. As a member of the board of directors, he received $157,000 in cash and stock awards from CBRE Group in 2012. His investment firm, Blum Capital Partners, L.P., is also the real estate firm’s fifth largest institutional shareholder. As of May 2013, it held more than 15 million shares worth an estimated $3 billion. However, this amounts to about 4.5 percent of CBRE Group’s total shares. CBRE Group is the largest commercial real estate firm in the world. Its Postal Service contract is responsible for a fraction of that revenue, and just a fraction of that fraction is passed on to shareholders.

Or

Sue Brennan, a Postal Service spokeswoman, told us in an email that seven firms participated in a competitive bidding process. She said the Postal Service chose CBRE Group because it “was the contractor with the best overall organization, capability and experience.”

So you trying to assert that Feinstein had anything to do with a legitimate and justifiable business case, in which a contract was awarded in a competitive bidding process without her having any influence, just because her husband has owns a company that has a minority stake in it, is basically bollocks innit? And she actually voted against it.

So - where did you get the Billion Dollars from, or is it a case of "it's on the interweb, so it must be true" as all good Fox News viewers believe?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

a legitimate and justifiable business case,

Selling off the countries silverware to pay some interest to the private Fed? legitimate? ????

geeze you're a thicko.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Selling off the countries silverware to pay some interest to the private Fed?

That is not what is happening here you moron. Why have you dodged out from responding to the other posts on this thread? Stop drinking the tin foil koolaid and reread this thread you nitwit.

It's not silverware, it's a government service with a slowly dying reason for existence.
Letter delivery will be a historic footnote in 10 to 20 years and the post office will be down to competing with fedex and the like for parcel delivery.
Not the governments job to compete with private enterprise.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you actually look at the facts of the story,

Which are a leading Dumbocrat - Nancy Pelosi's husband is making > a billion - that's billion with a B bucks on the deal.

So deal with that

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Which are a leading Dumbocrat - Nancy Pelosi's husband is making > a billion - that's billion with a B bucks on the deal.

Once again you have proven that you are the boontard. You didn't bother to read the thread and you have no clue what the truth is. Try reading the thread next time. Then do a little fact checking. Derp. #alternatereality

Raking it in. In bed with the devil incarnate to stitch up the American Public as usual. Fark even SNOPES agree LOL Guess George Soros missed getting his cut!

In 2011, for example, the real estate firm sold a Seattle post office building assessed at $16 million for only half that, Byrne said. In another 2011 deal, CBRE acted as both the buyer and seller in a transaction with Goldman Sachs Group -- which owns 6.6 percent of CBRE -- posing "a potential conflict of interest," according to Byrne.

Dianne Feinstein's Husband Tied To Questionable Dealings With U.S. Postal Service, Book Says




Chooo chooo Would All American politicians please get ready to board the corruption train. Most are on there already, and its time to depart.... Choo Chooooo!

Originally Posted by Necron99

Not the governments job to compete with private enterprise.

In the USA the post office is a special case because of the Postal Clause in the Constitution. Quite an interesting bit of history actually.

Yes Harry and Snub - DF would NEVER EVER be corrupt and send lots of business to her husband. She is as honest as jesus.

Oh, hang on, didn't she quit a job for doing exactly that?

FEINSTEIN QUITS COMMITTEE UNDER WAR-PROFITEER CLOUD
Report documents military contracts
for firms owned by senator's husband

Between 2001 and 2005, Feinstein vetted and approved $1.5 billion in defense contracts for Perini Corp and URS Corporation – both owned by her husband, Richard Blum. In 2009, Feinstein successfully introduced a bill that routed an additional $25 billion to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), some of it for the purpose of marketing foreclosed property owned by banks that had gone under with the housing and markets crash. In a curious twist, CBRE later received a $108 million FDIC contract to market foreclosed property. - See more at: Exposed: Are Senator Feinstein and Her Cronies Looting the U.S. Post Office? | Occupy.com

Read more at Feinstein quits committee under war-profiteer cloud

Rotten to the core.... but of course in being so she lived up to my expectations. Is that coffee brewing Snub? Wake up and smell it.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Read more at Feinstein quits committee under war-profiteer cloud

Oh wow! A shit post from a right wing website dated 2007. Oh god. Pseudo please stop making an idoit out of yourself.

You have not addressed one post on this thread. You are a buffoon. That is not an insult it is a fact. Sorry but it is true. Go back to the minor leagues.