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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    i could imagine, when someone sees a doc and gets eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia and doesnt want to accept this, he will move on to the next doc - and if this one has some brain (listening to the patient and his so ridiculous diagnosis), he will hand out "medical marihuana"... its brilliant for narcissist schizos, as the patient will retreat to bullshit like "its for glaucoma" and doesnt have to reflect with that annoying "prozac"-package on the designer table... guys like you, aging one, are the perfect target group for medical marihuana... ummm...
    Answer the questions Oh wise one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    marijuana has serious side-effects...
    because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present" (while it "eases")...
    i would call that a quite bad side-effect even...
    The people that use Medical Marijuana - that really have illnesses and conditons already have side-effects from their conditons. It's the best option for some.

    As for "taking one out of reality / life" the same can be said for sports, TV, booze, gambling, and rock concerts, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    the screws it moves (mostly in the head), are minor players... whatever you aim at by taking marijuana, there is better stuff... of course, the cause has to be "diagnosed" first... and i would think thats a general problem...
    What are the major players? What is better? What do you have to be diagnosed with?



    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    marijuana has serious side-effects... because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present" (while it "eases")... i would call that a quite bad side-effect even...
    What are the serious side effects?

    You are always high so life must be grand for you.
    first two question mark-b.s.: we can discuss that, i charge 50$/hour for investigation and 300$ for my final advice... im no medic...

    last question mark-b.s.: i have been diagnosed with some vitamin deficits... nothing else - never...

    4th question mark-b.s.: i wrote my opinion in the quoted post...

    rest - think you have smoked too mutt...

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    I think you are a frigging idiot, and will be treated as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    marijuana has serious side-effects...
    because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present" (while it "eases")...
    i would call that a quite bad side-effect even...
    The people that use Medical Marijuana - that really have illnesses and conditons already have side-effects from their conditons. It's the best option for some.

    As for "taking one out of reality / life" the same can be said for sports, TV, booze, gambling, and rock concerts, etc.
    yes, think so too...
    because it doesnt really "help" - or "eliminate" the issues, nor does it make "normal"...

    so, when people commonly use it, then it must be really really bad (without it), as it isnt really a cure - for nothing it is...

    it seems, ppl use it for self-medication as its easy to obtain and as they have NO FUCKING CLUE what in fact is wrong (what they could do instead to find ease)...
    and something apparently is THAT wrong, that they prefer marijuana consumption...

    think, they should smoke their dope, but definitely put effort in finding out what the prob really is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    marijuana has serious side-effects...
    because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present" (while it "eases")...
    i would call that a quite bad side-effect even...
    The people that use Medical Marijuana - that really have illnesses and conditons already have side-effects from their conditons. It's the best option for some.

    As for "taking one out of reality / life" the same can be said for sports, TV, booze, gambling, and rock concerts, etc.
    yes, think so too...
    because it doesnt really "help" - or "eliminate" the issues, nor does it make "normal"...

    so, when people commonly use it, then it must be really really bad (without it), as it isnt really a cure - for nothing it is...

    it seems, ppl use it for self-medication as its easy to obtain and as they have NO FUCKING CLUE what in fact is wrong (what they could do instead to find ease)...
    and something apparently is THAT wrong, that they prefer marijuana consumption...

    think, they should smoke their dope, but definitely put effort in finding out what the prob really is...
    These are the folks (above in your quote) that use "medical MJ" as an excuse to get high.

    Fair enough: some prefer coffee, others prefer tea.
    ............

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    hmm... i dont subscribe to the theory, that people get regulary drunk / stoned just because they want to be "high"...

    i think there is more "behind it", than the common thinking, that they have no "willpower" or that being drunk/stoned most of the day is an desirable (mental) state of fun and joy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    hmm... i dont subscribe to the theory, that people get regulary drunk / stoned just because they want to be "high"...
    The term "high" or "drunk" is pretty general.

    i think there is more "behind it", than the common thinking, that they have no "willpower" or that being drunk/stoned most of the day is an desirable (mental) state of fun and joy...
    As far as drinking or smoking all day, almost everyone I know that drinks and smokes MJ works full-time and they do it recreationally.

    Personal preference.

    Will power? Not an issue. They people do it because they want to, and lack of will power comes into play if someone wants to quit but cannot.

    Kind of like some folks who try to avoid chocolate but cave in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    Kind of like some folks who try to avoid chocolate but cave in.
    no... eating chocolate is
    a) legal
    b) doesnt knock you out...

    but...

    definitely is craving chocolate also "not normal" and even though most will state it tastes "good", they wouldnt want "overeating" on it...
    they just dont do - and appear as if they have more "willpower" (just lets call it something like this), while in fact they JUST DONT CRAVE...

    same it is with marijuana...
    but - in contrary to chocolate the cannabis-smoking knocks you out for some hours...

    best would be, when defenders of MEDICAL application of marijuana would say, what exactly it does do for them...
    things like "feels nice" ..blahblah... dont count, as they are probably just 1% of the truth...

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    What's your prob with smoking a joint, getting high etc? It can't be no worse than having a drink of alcohol or a coffee or a cocoa or even a cup of tea or a blast of sugar.

    All this wowserism over ganja smacks of puritanism, ie. if you like it and it turns you on and you enjoy life as a result,...it must be evil, or some such crap.

    Governments don't like people to be free, by their very nature, they seek to govern/control the people. So no freedom for the ganja, unless enough of the hi-sos get sprung using the stuff, or crack or coke or smack and speed and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    Kind of like some folks who try to avoid chocolate but cave in.
    no... eating chocolate is
    a) legal
    b) doesnt knock you out...
    I never said Miller Light or a puff of pot knocked anyone out.

    but...

    definitely is craving chocolate also "not normal" and even though most will state it tastes "good", they wouldnt want "overeating" on it...
    they just dont do - and appear as if they have more "willpower" (just lets call it something like this), while in fact they JUST DONT CRAVE...

    same it is with marijuana...
    but - in contrary to chocolate the cannabis-smoking knocks you out for some hours...

    best would be, when defenders of MEDICAL application of marijuana would say, what exactly it does do for them...
    things like "feels nice" ..blahblah... dont count, as they are probably just 1% of the truth...
    The law is the law in WA, CO and a lot of other states. The feds are backing off.

    Pursue another hobby, bro'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present"
    But this is our reality,,
    when man decides to use it, it becomes our reality.
    on its own it's a creation of nature.
    Spirit.
    nature's way of telling you somethings wrong
    nature's way of telling you in a song
    nature's way of receiving you
    nature's way of retrieving you
    nature's way of telling you somethings wrong
    somethings wrong aong.

    Man or thought has brought us now to the brink
    and the white heat of his inventions are set to return and bite all our arses
    houses are burning,, the planet is burning.

    Kids all over the planet are using stuff to get off their imprisoned heads
    they feel a sense of freedom from regimental control by authority
    be it man made organised religion or the foking politicians in their quest for control
    nature's way of telling you somethings foking wrong with the system.

    some take what they can from it but don't make an addiction
    others take heroin or wake up with a spliff in their mouth or whiskey for breakfast.

    smoking weed is in its honeymoon period in the west< know it has been underground for a lot longer for some,, artists etc>
    and one does need to be careful now.
    i've worked with people from places where weed has been in their culture for 100's
    maybe 1000's of years and those people who have been smoking the weed all their lives find it very difficult to work without the weed.
    they point to their head and say 'sick' when have none.
    and work better when they have their toke.

    to say it's harmless in the working environment is not correct.
    100 yrs, down the line and it will show up the cracks.

    nature made us perfect and well equipped to deal with life
    but man in his selfish, controlling fashion
    wanting to control and own the world
    is his own worst enemy.

    The love has gone and lust rules the waves.
    nuff said.

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    Good one

    Reporter on air say "F it" I quit to fight for Ganja.


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    Scotland votes yes

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    It depends on the strain and whether or not the crop was sprayed with pesticides or has mold.

    I had an asthma attack once and realized I didn't have my Ventolin with me, it was like breathing through a straw and I was about ready to call an ambulance.

    I was at a friend's house who offered me a bowl of a strain he said had helped other people with COPD. I told him smoking it usually made my asthma worse, he insisted it would help.

    I had a few hits and within minutes I could breath normally again.

    Next time I was at my doctor I mentioned what happened and he wrote me a prescription. For the first time since I developed COPD I went months without using my Ventolin to the point of not even carrying one and even cut my inhaled corticosteroid use in half.

    Now that I'm in Thailand I'm back to 2x a day Seretide (and it's risks and side-effects) and always have to carry Ventolin.

    I don't suppose Medical MJ is on the radar in Thailand anytime soon, is it?

    I had a serious accident a while back and was in constant pain and it was almost impossible to sleep. I was taking muscle relaxants and Tramadol 3x a day, COX 2 inhibitors that eroded my gastric lining and then switched to 600mg Ibuprofen 2 times a day. When I smoked a high CBD strain, I had less pain and inflammation than I did with my analgesic cocktail. One gram a day of MJ was more effective than all the pharmecuticals with no harmful side effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by t.s View Post
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    It cures the symptoms of asthma as well.

    Isn't it approved on a federal level already, but still banned in the majority of the states?
    having been both asthmatic and stoned for a good portion of my life, i would say that this is not necessarily true, at least not in my experience.

    It does make oxygen intake more efficient however as it does dilate the alveoli (sp?)

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    When I lived in the Netherlands I smoked almost every day, usually after dinner and before going to bed. When I travel I never smoke. I took a trip around the world a few years ago and it was probably two or three weeks before I even realized that I hadn't smoked anything for a few weeks.

    No physical or psychological addition, no cravings, I didn't even think about it.

    I was gone almost 3 months and never smoked, I think I drank more alcohol, which I rarely do when I'm in the Netherlands. When I got back and there was weed in the house and almost everywhere I went, I think it was a couple days before I smoked again because I was busy with other work.

    I like Ben and Jerry's Phish Food ice cream and could eat it everyday but if it's not around I don't even think about it, same with weed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    some drugs are more addicting than others,

    pot is great to relax but because it's so great I can see how some would get "addicted" to it in a mental way, not necessarily in a physical way

    a bit like having too much great sex, you keep looking for more

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    I think if you do a search on the Internet for" Simpsons oil" you'll find a lot of evidence that it does cute skin cancer when used topically and other cancers when used internally. Actor/comedian Tommy Chong's diagnosed with prostate cancer and use the oil to treat it and a few months later he was declared cancer free by his doctors.

    as far as taking you out of reality, I have a friend with spinal cord injury who has used almost daily for 25 years and is it really intelligent person with a PhD in psychology who goes out four times a day and lunch on his break to treat himself. If you were to meet him your impression would be that he was a brilliant, intelligent, person with ididic memory who does not fit any of the typical stereotypes of a marijuana user.

    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    marijuana has serious side-effects...
    because it takes you out of reality/life for the time it is "present" (while it "eases")...
    i would call that a quite bad side-effect even...
    The people that use Medical Marijuana - that really have illnesses and conditons already have side-effects from their conditons. It's the best option for some.

    As for "taking one out of reality / life" the same can be said for sports, TV, booze, gambling, and rock concerts, etc.
    yes, think so too...
    because it doesnt really "help" - or "eliminate" the issues, nor does it make "normal"...

    so, when people commonly use it, then it must be really really bad (without it), as it isnt really a cure - for nothing it is...

    it seems, ppl use it for self-medication as its easy to obtain and as they have NO FUCKING CLUE what in fact is wrong (what they could do instead to find ease)...
    and something apparently is THAT wrong, that they prefer marijuana consumption...

    think, they should smoke their dope, but definitely put effort in finding out what the prob really is...
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