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    The Confederate Flag

    Students permanently expelled for draping a Confederate flag around the bodies during an after-school sporting event.

    We don't know the intent.

    The Confederate flag offends some people, and especially black Americans, but are they other meanings that are not hateful?

    Does it mean the desire to secede from the Feds, as these state did?

    Slavery was a large part of the American Civil War, but the Southern states seceding was for additional reasons as well. Since the time of the Article of Confederation, there were major economic and political differences between the Northern and Southern states. Lincoln was elected, even though he was not on the ballet in 7 (or was it 10?) Southern states. the South had much less political clout. The North had a much larger population, industrial capacity, and the South was an Agrarian based slave economy.

    Starting this thread out of sincerity. I don't really know the meaning of the Confederate flag. This is probably partly due to the fact that I'm a 4th Generation American from the far Northwest. We are not Yankees, nor are we Southerners. Is it cultural heritage, that this flag displays for some? It seems (once again) it's in the eye of the beholder on an individual basis.

    Principal: L.I. High School Students Suspended Indefinitely For Displaying Confederate Flag
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    SOUTH HUNTINGTON, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) – Two Long Island high school students have been suspended for allegedly bringing a Confederate flag to school.

    Brother Gary Cregan, principal of St. Anthony’s High School in South Huntington, said the two seniors walked in with a Confederate flag draped around their shoulders during an after-hours sporting event at the school.


    As CBS 2′s Kathryn Brown reported, there is outrage and disgust on Long Island.

    “The African-American students who immediately saw it really exercised heroic restraint and fortunately a teacher immediately confiscated the flag and took the students out of the gym,” Cregan said.

    The students were initially suspended for 10 days, but Cregan decided Tuesday they won’t be allowed back, Brown reported.


    Cregan wrote a letter to parents saying the use of any symbols “designed to revive past injustices or to inflame discrimination or racial intolerance, is completely unacceptable and profoundly offensive,” Newsday reported.
    Cregan said he sees the flag as a symbol of hate.

    “I find it just very hard to even imagine why any student in 2014 would even consider or think that a Confederate flag would be anything other than a symbol of hate,” Cregan said.

    “It’s absolutely absurd, I don’t understand why you would bring up things from the past that are hateful,” student Jessica Flynn said.

    “It represents slavery to us. It represents racism and prejudice to us,” parent JuJu Quinnonez added. “Believe me, I am all for freedom of speech but to have someone come in to school with that flag draped around their shoulder – I’m not really sure what the intent was.”

    In response to those who said the students were exercising their right to free speech, Cregan said there are limits.

    “I certainly think this particular symbol of hate falls in the category of something that should be excised from our culture,” Cregan said.

    The students haven’t explained why they did it. St. Anthony’s is a private Catholic school and isn’t bound by the First Amendment right to free speech.
    Still, the New York Civil Liberties Union said all people should be able to express their views freely, even the offensive ones.

    “Our motto is more speech, not censorship or punishment,” NYCLU director Donna Lieberman told Brown. “Helping children understand the impact of this patently offensive expressive activity.”

    Tensions are so high among students at St. Anthony’s that the principal said he has security concerns once the suspension is over. He’s made the decision that the students involved aren’t coming back at all.

    The teens involved did not respond to CBS 2′s calls for comment.
    Link: L.I. High School Students Suspended For Displaying Confederate Flag At Sporting Event « CBS New York
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    No right to free speech in a private school. Tough call, but hard to argue with the principal's reasoning-

    Cregan wrote a letter to parents saying the use of any symbols “designed to revive past injustices or to inflame discrimination or racial intolerance, is completely unacceptable and profoundly offensive,” Newsday reported.
    Cregan said he sees the flag as a symbol of hate.

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    Interesting that they think constitutional rights don't apply.

    He might want to go have a talk to Mississippi and Georgia who both use it on their state flags and South Carolina which flies the stars 'n bars on the Capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    I don't really know the meaning of the Confederate flag.
    Google it then.

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    So what would happen if a black American draped themselves in a confederate flag?

    Fukk all, the same as when a black American calls himself a nigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Interesting that they think constitutional rights don't apply.
    Grey area.

    Depends if the stduents had already been warned or told not to do it and then chose to do so regardless.


    The Confederate Battle Flag: America's Most Embattled Emblem

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    In recent years, the Confederate flag has become as much a news item as a Civil War relic. Intense public debates have erupted over Confederate flags flying atop state capitols, being incorporated into state flags, waving from dormitory windows, or adorning the T-shirts and jeans of public school children. To some, this piece of cloth is a symbol of white supremacy and enduring racial injustice; to others, it represents a rich Southern heritage and an essential link to a glorious past. Polarizing Americans, these "flag wars" reveal the profound--and still unhealed--schisms that have plagued the country since the Civil War.

    The Confederate Battle Flag is the first comprehensive history of this contested symbol. Transcending conventional partisanship, John Coski reveals the flag's origins as one of many banners unfurled on the battlefields of the Civil War. He shows how it emerged as the preeminent representation of the Confederacy and was transformed into a cultural icon from Reconstruction on, becoming an aggressively racist symbol only after World War II and during the Civil Rights movement. We gain unique insight into the fine line between the flag's use as a historical emblem and as an invocation of the Confederate nation and all it stood for. Pursuing the flag's conflicting meanings, Coski suggests how this provocative artifact, which has been viewed with pride, fear, anger, nostalgia, and disgust, might ultimately provide Americans with the common ground of a shared and complex history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Interesting that they think constitutional rights don't apply.

    He might want to go have a talk to Mississippi and Georgia who both use it on their state flags and South Carolina which flies the stars 'n bars on the Capital.
    This is what I was thinking, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBKK
    No right to free speech in a private school. Tough call, but hard to argue with the principal's reasoning-
    Quite right

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    Current news on the Stars and Bars.

    South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley Calls for Removal of Confederate Flag From State Capitol

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/cha...derate-n379801

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    Well, at least they will be able to keep their belt buckles, T-shirts, patches and license plate frames so we identify these racist idiots at a glance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Well, at least they will be able to keep their belt buckles, T-shirts, patches and license plate frames so we identify these racist idiots at a glance.
    You wouldn't understand coming from ultra-liberal WI...

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    South Carolina Refuses To Remove Confederate Flag From Capitol Trailer - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

    “Y’all quit messing with our capitol trailer. You ain’t never gonna see this flag come down, you hear? Now, get on outta here unless you wanna get real well acquainted with my shotgun.”


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    Being from North Idaho, saw confederate flags on pickup trucks occasionally. I would say 100% of the time it was a symbol of racism, and whenever I saw one, I immediately went on "Skin Head Alert."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    You wouldn't understand coming from ultra-liberal WI...

    This must really hurt your feelings Booners. Though you probably take solace in my assumption that the "appropriate" place it will be moved to is probably his front porch.


    Senator Lindsey Graham, the Republican presidential candidate from South Carolina, called on Monday for the Confederate battle flag to be removed from the state’s Capitol.
    “I am urging that the Confederate battle flag be removed from State House grounds to an appropriate location,” he said in a statement. “I hope that, by removing the flag, we can take another step towards healing and recognition – and a sign that South Carolina is moving forward.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...linas-capitol/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    You wouldn't understand coming from ultra-liberal WI...

    This must really hurt your feelings Booners. Though you probably take solace in my assumption that the "appropriate" place it will be moved to is probably his front porch.


    Senator Lindsey Graham, the Republican presidential candidate from South Carolina, called on Monday for the Confederate battle flag to be removed from the state’s Capitol.
    “I am urging that the Confederate battle flag be removed from State House grounds to an appropriate location,” he said in a statement. “I hope that, by removing the flag, we can take another step towards healing and recognition – and a sign that South Carolina is moving forward.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...linas-capitol/
    He's a politician and a RINO to boot.

    Has no credence with true southeners.
    A Deplorable Bitter Clinger

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    The real RINO's are the Teabaggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Excellent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    You wouldn't understand coming from ultra-liberal WI...
    Wouldn't understand the love of racism, toothless inbreds with single digit IQs thinking they're smarter and somehow better than those with a darker skin . . .

    You're right, he probably wouldn't understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel
    The real RINO's are the Teabaggers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    He's a politician and a RINO to boot. Has no credence with true southeners.
    The flag is a flag of the State of S.Carolina right? Been that flag for 150 years almost. Whats the state flag got to do with this? Race card thrown...9 people murdered...1 nut job white guy arrested...CNN event for 4 days, now gone from the Television Screens...drive by journalist line up for the Greek exit from the EU and Yoga in India as their main stories...what a bunch of crap!

    Obamas now using the "N," word to make his racist position more graphic...fuk'en racists...I hate them all, says POTUS and Bert and company climb on the bus heading to protest the use of the confederate stars and bars while the rest of the nation moves on in its suspended animation dreaming of their next purchase...America, got to love the attention span...Uk is fixated by it.

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    Wal-Mart removing Confederate flag items from stores, online


    Wal-Mart removing Confederate flag items from stores, online - AP News 6/22/2015 9:35 PM

    Like Germany banning the Horst Wessel Song?

    Has Neil Young won then? Will Wal Mart ban Lynyrd Skynyrd CDs?

    Last edited by Boon Mee; 23-06-2015 at 09:27 AM.

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    Another way of looking at it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Like Germany banning the Horst Wessel Song?
    Yes, because it idolises murder and National Socialism (please don't confuse this with socialism) and the SA, an outlawed organisation.

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    Target Audience no doubt Boon Mee. bsnub and family.

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    Will future Lynyrd Skynyrd performances for Wal-Mart employees be considered out of the question? The band played at a stockholders gathering earlier this month.

    ?Neil Young has won?: Wal-Mart pulling Confederate flag merchandise (including Lynyrd Skynyrd CDs?) | Twitchy

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