Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by pickel

Including 200,000 Russians in the last week alone.

I hope they find a warm bed to rest their heads on now, and in the future.

"The current population of the Russian Federation is 146,074,340 as of Thursday, September 29, 2022, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data."

Will they, the 0.5%, be missed?

There are quite a few replacements ready to take their place. Not sure of the numbers in the newly registered people liberated in the new western Russian territories.

30 Sep, 2022 22:55

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Zelensky sets conditions for talks with Russia

Ukraine will not negotiate with Moscow until Putin is replaced as president, Zelensky and his cabinet said.

"Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has refused to negotiate a peace settlement as long as Vladimir Putin remains president of Russia, issuing a regime change demand via his official Telegram channel on Friday.

"Claiming he had “always offered Russia coexistence on equal, honest, dignified and fair terms,” Zelensky blamed Russia for the failure of negotiations, insisting that it was “obvious this is impossible with this Russian president.”

“We are ready for a dialogue with Russia, but already with another president of Russia,” he wrote. Unlike the majority of his Telegram posts, this one was written only in Ukrainian, without an accompanying English translation.

Zelensky has repeatedly rejected overtures of peace from Moscow, most recently turning down Putin’s offer on Friday to resume negotiations. What made the offer a non-starter for Kiev is that Putin refused to relinquish the regions that voted this week to join Russia.

“Only the path of strengthening Ukraine and expelling the occupiers from our entire territory will restore peace,” Zelensky declared in his address.
Zelensky also confirmed that Ukraine had submitted an accelerated application to join NATO on Friday, something he previously admitted was probably never going to happen. While the Western media described the move as “more symbolic than practical,” the Ukrainian president seemed quite serious, arguing that Sweden and Finland were able to apply on an accelerated basis even without a Membership Action Plan and it was thus only “fair” that Ukraine do the same.

“De facto, we have already completed our path to NATO,” he said in another Telegram post. “De facto, we have already proven interoperability with the Alliance’s standards... We trust each other, we help each other and we protect each other.”

Zelensky has previously acknowledged Ukraine might struggle to secure the consent of all 30 NATO member nations, pushing instead for the so-called Kiev Security Compact, which would oblige NATO's core members to defend Ukraine “in case of aggression” while codifying the provision of bottomless military and financial aid as a stopgap measure.
Admitting Ukraine would draw NATO into immediate confrontation with Russia, under the Article 5 mutual defense provision. While the US is committed to the “open door” policy when it comes to NATO, now is the wrong time to consider Ukraine’s membership application, President Joe Biden’s national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Friday. The move would also make peace with Moscow impossible, as Putin has made clear since before the special military operation began in February that Ukraine must remain a neutral country under any circumstances."

https://www.rt.com/russia/563840-zel...-putin-russia/

But will any turn their backs?



Ukraine submits an application to join NATO, with big hurdles ahead.

Sept. 30, 2022

"In Brussels, the secretary general of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, said that Ukraine, like every democracy in Europe, has the right to apply for membership in the alliance, but he cautioned that a decision about accepting a new member is taken by all 30 allied countries by consensus."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/w...-zelensky.html

Ukraine applies for Nato membership after Russia annexes territory

Volodymyr Zelenskiy dismisses Moscow ceremony as a farce and rules out negotiations with Putin

"A defiant Volodymyr Zelenskiy has announced that Ukraine is officially applying for membership of Nato, hours after Vladimir Putin said in a Kremlin ceremony that he was annexing four Ukrainian provinces.

In a speech filmed outside his presidential office in Kyiv, Zelenskiy said he was taking this “decisive step” in order to protect “the entire community” of Ukrainians. He promised the application would happen in an “expedited manner”.

“De facto, we have already made our way to Nato. De facto, we have already proven compatibility with alliance standards. They are real for Ukraine – real on the battlefield and in all aspects of our interaction,” he said. “We trust each other, we help each other, and we protect each other. This is the alliance. De facto. Today, Ukraine is applying to make it de jure.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...exes-territory

The, "poses no threat to any country", statement is debatable, NATO current members have publicly stated threats to Russia, many times.

Enlargement and Article 10

Last updated: 06 Jul. 2022 10:20

"NATO’s ongoing enlargement process poses no threat to any country. It is aimed at promoting stability and cooperation, at building a Europe whole and free, united in peace, democracy and common values."

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_49212.htm

double post.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

Ukraine has won the war, something that I think will happen before the end of next summer if not sooner.

You appear to be unsure of the result and your TD posted conclusion.

Typical NaGastan answer.

Promises of victory to the world, but only delivers the slaughter of foreign men, women and children, and the return of many of their own citizens bodies in coffins back home.

Vladimir Putin officially annexing four Ukrainian regions at Moscow ceremony.




The LORD enters at the 25 minute mark.