How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

**panama hat** · 29-11-2021, 06:13 AM

You know . . . Russia ends up benefitting from the conflict, thousands of Russian troops in the region, renewed power regionally . . . and sidelining Turkey whose influence was increasing.

Sorry, is this another issue you 'don't care about'?

**Hugh Cow** · 01-12-2021, 08:05 AM

Agree with Sabang. Where would we be without Putin supporting such wonderful leaders of democracy as Lukashenko and Assad. Still, birds of a feather I suppose.

**sabang** · 01-12-2021, 09:42 AM

Lukashenko is his pet clown. It is well known that Vlad holds him in contempt. As for Assad the Optometrist, imo you should be grateful he won. If the likes of Isis & AQ had taken over- well, you reckon Europe has refugee problems now?

**panama hat** · 01-12-2021, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

If the likes of Isis & AQ had taken over- well, you reckon Europe has refugee problems now?

No, because there would be tens of thousands more dead and millions not allowed to leave

**sabang** · 01-12-2021, 11:20 AM

Presumably, that is not what you would want?

**harrybarracuda** · 01-12-2021, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Lukashenko is his pet clown. It is well known that Vlad holds him in contempt. As for Assad the Optometrist, imo you should be grateful he won. If the likes of Isis & AQ had taken over- well, you reckon Europe has refugee problems now?

The only reason IS emerged in Syria is because he stayed in power with Putin's backing in the few areas he controlled, and bombed the shit out of everyone else.

Desperate people will turn to anyone for help.

Had Putin not kept him in power, the Sunni majority in Syria would have had free and fair elections for the first time in decades and elected a stable representative government.

You really know nothing about the Middle East but your russian propaganda soundbites, do you?

**sabang** · 01-12-2021, 11:44 AM

Considering your spectacular record of being utterly wrong about everything geopolitical 'arry, I would just sulk in silence if I were you.

**cyrille** · 01-12-2021, 12:08 PM

Feeble ad hom response to a 100% accurate post, sabang.

Has Switch been coaching you?

**sabang** · 01-12-2021, 12:41 PM

Erm, IS was founded in Iraq because of the American invasion. Seriously, what kinda dumb am I dealing with here ��

**panama hat** · 01-12-2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Erm, IS was founded in Iraq because of the American invasion.

Erm, IS was part of AQ before that . . .

Originally Posted by sabang

Seriously, what kinda dumb am I dealing with here ��

Please don't, sabang.

**pickel** · 01-12-2021, 01:10 PM

AQ in Iraq came after the US invasion. Dick Cheney would be proud of you though.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-12-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Erm, IS was founded in Iraq because of the American invasion. Seriously, what kinda dumb am I dealing with here ��

You do know Syria isn't in Iraq right?

**harrybarracuda** · 01-12-2021, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Considering your spectacular record of being utterly wrong about everything geopolitical 'arry, I would just sulk in silence if I were you.

Is this like a "spectacular record" of showing you to be a completely brainwashed fuckwit on almost any international topic?

I mean admittedly, I have to do it a lot.

**cyrille** · 01-12-2021, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Erm, IS was founded in Iraq because of the American invasion.

We were talking about Assad, a mass murderer of his own people, and how he’s propped up by Putin.

Your furious goalpost shifting is very obvious.

**panama hat** · 01-12-2021, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

AQ in Iraq came after the US invasion. Dick Cheney would be proud of you though.

AQ was formed in 1988 . . . not sure what your Cheney quip was for.

Originally Posted by cyrille

We were talking about Assad, a mass murderer of his own people, and how he’s propped up by Putin.

Your furious goalpost shifting is very obvious.

Unfortunately his usual m.o. now

**pickel** · 01-12-2021, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

AQ was formed in 1988 . . . not sure what your Cheney quip was for.

You said ISIS was part of AQ before the US invasion. ISIS was formed in Iraq. AQ didn't exist in Iraq until after the invasion, unless you believe Dick Cheney. And Al Qaeda in Iraq (which is where ISIS arose from) is technically a different organization than Al Qaeda.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-12-2021, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

You said ISIS was part of AQ before the US invasion. ISIS was formed in Iraq. AQ didn't exist in Iraq until after the invasion, unless you believe Dick Cheney. And Al Qaeda in Iraq (which is where ISIS arose from) is technically a different organization than Al Qaeda.

The rise of IS in Iraq was in response to furious revenge attacks from the Shi'a majority on the Sunni minority, in a country where the central government and the military had collapsed.

The rise of IS in Syria, funnily enough, was in response to furious and unwarranted attacks from the Shi'a minority (with Putin's help) on the Sunni majority in a country where the central government and the military had collapsed.

The difference isn't too subtle, but we know sabang is too fucking thick to understand it.

**panama hat** · 01-12-2021, 03:11 PM

Cheney has nothing to do with anything I've stated, not sure why you harp on about him . . . my response was to sabang's post

**sabang** · 01-12-2021, 03:57 PM

I'll just leave the sobbers to their self pity. Assad won, deal with it.

**pickel** · 02-12-2021, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Cheney has nothing to do with anything I've stated, not sure why you harp on about him

Well, you've both stated that AQ was in Iraq before the US invasion. It's false. Not sure why you can't understand the connection.

**harrybarracuda** · 02-12-2021, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I'll just leave the sobbers to their self pity. Assad won, deal with it.

Better to flounce than continue to make yourself look like a fucking idiot.

**harrybarracuda** · 02-12-2021, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

Well, you've both stated that AQ was in Iraq before the US invasion. It's false. Not sure why you can't understand the connection.

In fairness, part of the justification Bush Jr.'s administration repeatedly gave for going into Iraq was because Saddam was very matey with Al Qaeda and had met with them many times on "operational matters".

Since he rarely left Iraq at that time, the implication being that they were visiting him.

**sabang** · 02-12-2021, 01:11 AM

These sore loser attempts to rewrite history are as pathetic as they are ludicrous. Good ole' 'arry, larf a minute.

The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports^[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.^[4] Critics of the Bush Administration have said Bush was intentionally building a case for war with Iraq without regard to factual evidence. On April 29, 2007, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on 60 Minutes, "We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period."^[5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations

The Lie That Won’t Die: Saddam Hussein’s “Relationship” With Al-Qaeda

https://www.theamericanconservative....with-al-qaeda/

What next- Saddam plotting 911? Buying nuclear components in the Congo?? Ya crack me up, Loser.

**pickel** · 02-12-2021, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

the implication being that they were visiting him.

Um.....no. The implication being that Bush and Cheney were full of shit.

**harrybarracuda** · 02-12-2021, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

Um.....no. The implication being that Bush and Cheney were full of shit.

I'm saying it's they what they implied. Don't be a fucking idiot like sabang, who can barely comprehend simple English it seems.

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