Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by havnfun

What the fuck are US bases doing in Germany? Protecting the energy supply from Russia?

Have you heard of a place called "Crimea"?

Dumbarse.

Dumbasse.

Originally Posted by havnfun

What the fuck are US bases doing in Germany? Protecting the energy supply from Russia?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Have you heard of a place called "Crimea"?

'arry's lesson in geopolitics...

^But it is not nice that they bypass their cousins in Ukraine. Not immediately but in future...

Wondering when the ships would say, we will not sail through Panama (too dear), will we also bomb them? (the ships...)

A good thing too. A major country like Germany, or the EU bloc, cannot afford to have it's critical energy requirements held to ransom or dictated by fickle American geopolitics. Pull yer damn head in.

Originally Posted by sabang

A good thing too. A major country like Germany, or the EU bloc, cannot afford to have it's critical energy requirements held to ransom by anyone.

FTFY

gratis

^
You may wish to review this, it's an EU document.

From where do we import energy?

From where do we import energy?

Funny how this news gets released around the time the relatives of MH17 are calling Putin a murderous bastard, isn't it?

^Wondering what kind of justice is to call relatives of the victims to the court where the evidence of the culprits is to be determined.

What kind of evidence the relatives can provide? Just crying at the court will prove something?
(But for people like 'arry and Co. is any "evidence" good, isn't it?)

Another day, another deluge of shite from Klondick and OhNo.

Originally Posted by sabang

A major country like Germany, or the EU bloc, cannot afford to have it's critical energy requirements held to ransom or dictated by fickle American geopolitics.

Hmm
If not politics, then it is a head shaken project to lay a pipeline from Norway to Poland, all across Denmark,who are paying the bill.
If it's business, we should pass on the bill, shouldn't we ?

Originally Posted by hallelujah

another deluge of shite

Find someone to change your nappy, junior.

Or do you have something to add to the debate ?

Thought not

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Another day, another deluge of shite from Klondick and OhNo.

(Sometimes, a small mistake happens or an "inaccuracy" how the matters are reported - actually, I haven't seen it reported in MSM):

Moscow expects US Embassy to report real reason for Sullivan’s summoning — diplomat

Earlier, the embassy claimed that John Sullivan was summoned to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "discuss bilateral relations" and Joe Biden’s intent for stable and predictable relations with Moscow

MOSCOW, September 10. /TASS/. Russia expects that the US Embassy in Moscow will report the true reason for the summoning of Ambassador John Sullivan to the Foreign Ministry, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in her Telegram channel Friday.

"I’ve seen three [different] reasons for the summoning of the US envoy to the Russian Foreign Ministry. Actually, the Foreign Ministry did the summoning, and the Foreign Ministry knows the true reason for it," Zakharova said. "There is only one reason - the interference in the Russian elections. We hope this is what the US diplomats will report back to Washington, not what the US embassy said in its detached from reality press release."

Earlier, the US Embassy claimed that Sullivan was summoned to the Ministry to "discuss bilateral relations" and Joe Biden’s intent for stable and predictable relations with Moscow.

On Friday, Sullivan visited the Russian Foreign Ministry where he met with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov. The Foreign Ministry stated that the Russian diplomat presented the US envoy with proof of US IT giants’ violation of the Russian law ahead of the State Duma elections and pointed at the unacceptability of meddling in Russia’s internal affairs.

Moscow expects US Embassy to report real reason for Sullivan’s summoning — diplomat - World - TASS

Translation: If you don't remove it we'll ban you and it will cost you a packet.

Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin


MOSCOW, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Alphabet's Google (GOOGL.O) and Apple (AAPL.O) have removed jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny's tactical voting app from their stores, his team said on Friday, after Russia accused the U.S. tech firms of meddling in its internal affairs.


Russia goes to the polls on Friday to elect a new parliament in a three-day vote that the ruling United Russia party is expected to win despite a ratings slump after the biggest crackdown on the Kremlin's critics in years. read more


Allies of Navalny, President Vladimir Putin's fiercest domestic opponent, planned to use the mobile app to organise a tactical voting campaign to deal a blow to United Russia.


Russia demanded this month that Apple and Google remove the app from their stores, saying a refusal to do so would be treated as meddling in its parliamentary election.


Apple and Google did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


On Thursday, Russia said official approaches had been made to the two companies' chief executives. read more


Ivan Zhdanov, a Navalny ally based abroad, said on Friday the removal amounted to political censorship.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...in-2021-09-17/

Filthy Russian scum.

At least everyone's got their facial recognition ID now.

Britain has named and charged a third Russian military intelligence officer over the Salisbury spy poisonings, in a significant development that will enrage Russia.
Police said Denis Sergeev - who used the alias Sergey Fedotov - is wanted in connection with the attempted assassination of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with a novichok nerve agent in March 2018, along with two other suspects.

Scotland Yard believes they are all members of the GRU, Russia's military intelligence agency, and that they have worked together in other countries on operations.

It is the first time the police have said they have evidence that the men are part of the Russian spy agency. The then prime minister Theresa May has previously accused the GRU.

"The three operated as a small team with a view to deploying novichok to kill individuals in this country," said deputy assistant commissioner Dean Haydon.

"I can prove they were here operating as a unit linked to the GRU," he told a news briefing.
Mr Haydon also signalled there could be more suspects in the Skripal case and that this was an active line of inquiry.

Skripal poisonings: Scotland Yard charges third Russian man suspected to be member of GRU intelligence agency | World News | Sky News

Filthy Russian Scum Part two.

Russia was responsible for the 2006 assassination of Alexander Litvinenko in London, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled.

Mr Litvinenko was a former Russian FSB agent who went on to work with MI6 after fleeing to the UK.

He died an agonising death after being poisoned in London in 2006 with Polonium 210, a rare and very potent radioactive isotope.

Alexander Litvinenko: Russia responsible for assassination in London, European Court of Human Rights rules | World News | Sky News

It will be something subtle like "Support us on the xxxxxx vote in the UN or we will cut your gas off".

Originally Posted by sabang

A good thing too. A major country like Germany, or the EU bloc, cannot afford to have it's critical energy requirements held to ransom or dictated by fickle American geopolitics. Pull yer damn head in.

Yes. Much better to rely on its biggest potential srategic foe. I'm sure if Germany was Russia's biggest energy supplier Vlad would've already found several alternatives. It is obvious in regard to the EU Russian relationship that Vlad wears the pants and he knows it.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Yes. Much better to rely on its biggest potential srategic foe. I'm sure if Germany was Russia's biggest energy supplier Vlad would've already found several alternatives. It is obvious in regard to the EU Russian relationship that Vlad wears the pants and he knows it.

If only the world were as simple as that. Nord stream 2 was necessary as it cuts out the potential of however many countries the initial pipes run through.

This idea, though, that Germany is totally beholden to Russia for its energy supplies is ridiculous - do you really think Germany - or any country - would simply place all its eggs in one basket?

Ein Blick auf den deutschen Energiemix zeigt zudem: 35 Prozent der in Deutschland verbrauchten Energie stammen aus Öl, 25 Prozent aus Erdgas. Wenn davon etwa die Hälfte aus Russland kommt, heißt das: Knapp 13 Prozent des deutschen Energiebedarfs wird durch russisches Erdgas gedeckt.

Nord Stream 2: Wird Deutschland jetzt abhangig vom russischen Gas? | MDR.DE

I know it's in German as it's difficult to get unbiased and detailed info in English-language publications, but basically it says that ​35% of the used energy in Germany comes from oil, 25% gas - of which half comes from Russia - meaning that 13% of the energy used is from Russian gas - etc...

Hardly the doom and gloom scenario of utter servitude . . . added to which the proposed sanctions (by Germany, the EU and the US) declared if Russia uses its gas for political gain go further than any others.

Also, the quantity of gas pumped through the pipes will not only go to Germany but will go further to other European countries.

It seems US hyperbole has been successful. Russia is dependent on Germany - and the EU - for the majority of its income and Germany can last without Russian gas for five months, minimum - and has standing contracts with other countries that currently supply the energy sector . . . and imports can be increased.

So, it's hardly as bad as the media make it sound, but it does make for a good bad-guy story and Germany has been importing gas/oil from Russia for 50 years and this has always been a thorn in the US' side - geopolitics at play.

At the end of the day Germany isn't beholden to Russia for its energy-needs and the pipeline will probably lower energy-costs in Europe. Win-Win.

Perhaps you can google translate the following article, it's quite detailed and factual:

Nord Stream 2: Wird Deutschland jetzt abhangig vom russischen Gas? | MDR.DE

Originally Posted by panama hat

This idea, though, that Germany is totally beholden to Russia for its energy supplies is ridiculous - do you really think Germany - or any country - would simply place all its eggs in one basket?

Depends who gets elected innit?

do you really think Germany - or any country - would simply place all its eggs in one basket?

Or allow any other country to effectively have a veto over it's essential energy requirements. Nordstream 2 was good for Russia, Germany and the EU. I don't think the US won any western European friends by trying to sabotage the whole thing in it's late stages of construction- and friends like Ukraine you can do without.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Depends who gets elected innit?

In Germany or in general?

Originally Posted by sabang

Or allow any other country to effectively have a veto over it's essential energy requirements. Nordstream 2 was good for Russia, Germany and the EU. I don't think the US won any western European friends by trying to sabotage the whole thing in it's late stages of construction

The US has been opposing it since day one - the perceived loss of influence was their driving factor - insecure schmucks. Germany has been and is firmly rooted in the 'west' but that does not mean the country can't have cordial relations with others.

Merkel hasn't been backward in criticising Putin and placing sanctions on Russia or Russians close to him - she grew up under Soviet occupation and is fluent in Russian and knows the Russian psyche well . . . Putin lived in Germany and is fluent in German but only knows the former East German psyche personally.

Any new German leader, irrespective of their political leanings, will follow Merkel's successful policies vis-a-vis Russia . . . and Russian won't cut its own throat by holding their Damocles sword over a major European country.

Originally Posted by panama hat

In Germany or in general?

Anywhere. I mean it's the government du jour that saddles its country with shit.

Look at Turnbull and the French submarine crap.

An update on how Russia perceives the world around it. Many topical questions, current and historic, answered by the very able Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s news conference to sum up the high-level meetings week at the 76th session of the UN General Assembly, New York, September 25, 2021

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Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s news conference to sum up the high-level meetings week at the 76th session of the UN General Assembly, New York, September 25, 2021 - News - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation