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    Putin is obviously a wise man, WinXP is the best OS so far, and still works, I still use it on a dozen of PCs

    and with Opera, you can still use the Internet

    I should advise HE Putin on tips to update and harden security without the silly Windows Update bloatware

    PS: The internet is not a CIA project, it's a PENTAGON/DARPA project

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    Ukraine, China & 2024 retirement plans: Key takeaways from Putin's 15th annual press chat

    19 Dec, 2019

    At his annual year-end press conference, Vladimir Putin addressed his presumed retirement in 2024, the situation in Ukraine, domestic issues around healthcare and demographics, and relations with China, among many other topics.

    Thursday's Moscow event was the 15th in as many years of Putin's presidency, and finished up as one of the longest. The Russian president sat for four hours and 18 minutes, taking around 80 questions from 57 journalists, of which he answered about 77. Some 1,895 reporters representing Russian and foreign media received accreditation for the conference, with many more watching online.

    The climate crisis was the first topic. Putin appeared to cast doubt upon the Western mainstream scientific consensus that humans are responsible for the transformation, but he acknowledged the problem exists. “No one knows the reasons for global climate change,” he remarked. “It's hard, if it's even possible, to estimate human impact but it doesn't mean that we should sit around & do nothing.”

    Ukraine
    Only last week, the president held his first meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky in Paris. At the press conference, Putin said he was “alarmed” by Zelensky's post-meeting statements about reviewing the Minsk accords, but says he is open to another summit (which Russian media speculates will happen in April).

    We have nothing except the Minsk agreement. If we revisit this we are at a dead end.

    The deal, crafted in the Belarusian capital in 2015, requires Kiev to alter its Constitution and grant “special status” to the mainly Russian-speaking Donbass region.

    Although his predecessor Petro Poroshenko (now Ukraine's de facto opposition leader) signed up to the plan, it's implementation is considered impossible for Zelensky. Even if he somehow got it through Parliament, he lacks the strength to face down extreme nationalists who would surely take to the streets in protest. If this happened a “third Maidan” is possible, potentially leaving Ukraine in complete anarchy and threatening the business interests of Ukrainian oligarchs, including Zelensky's own sponsor, the billionaire Igor Kolomoysky.

    Also on the subject of Ukraine, Putin stated that Russia wants to negotiate a new gas transit arrangement with its neighbor (despite the NordStream 2 direct pipeline to Germany soon coming online). Putin said he would like to ensure Ukrainian consumers get reasonably priced gas & that supplies to Europe are guaranteed.

    2024 end of term: Speculations swirl

    Next year, the president will approach the midway point of his final term in the Kremlin. As a result, speculation about the 2024 transition of power is growing. Putin says he wants to remove the word “consecutive” from the Russian Constitution's rules on presidential term limits. So, basically, any president can serve two periods (like the US) before being blocked from standing again. The US introduced these restrictions after experiencing its own four-time president, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Interestingly, Putin has repeatedly invited comparisons between himself and the erstwhile US leader, going all the way back to the mid-2000s.

    Indeed, many in Russia argue that the president rescued his country from the chaotic, anarchic, and destitute 1990s in a similar fashion to how Roosevelt dragged America out of the Great Depression.

    Such a change would presumably mean Putin will have to retire in 2024. And Russian journalists, and analysts, have interpreted it this way. However, some US/UK media reporters, on the Russia beat, believe it may be a “cunning way” of resetting the rules so Putin can have another term, or terms, before the new limits apply. Although sources in Moscow ridiculed this theory on Thursday night.

    Putin also floated the possibility of Russia switching to a more parliamentary style of government which would give the prime minister (currently Dmitry Medvedev) more control, ending the “hyper-presidential” system introduced by Boris Yeltsin in 1993 (with US support). A move like this would mean future leaders won't have Putin's sort of power, as the presidency would be downgraded.

    He also referenced Russia's demographic problems (the population fell this year after a decade of small rises), noting how the number of potential young mothers, aged 21-29, has fallen by four million. This is the effect of the 1990s economic carnage which crushed birth rates, as many people worried about basic survival.

    Home front
    Closer to home, responding to calls for Vladimir Lenin to be taken out of his Red Square mausoleum and buried, Putin (who has always made it clear he's not a fan of the Bolshevik revolutionary) wasn't very keen. He insisted there's “no need to touch him” whilst people are still alive who remember the USSR in a positive fashion and continue to celebrate Soviet achievements within their lifetimes.

    Regarding journalist Ivan Golunov, whose June arrest on spurious drug charges caused outrage in Russia, Putin pointed out that five police have been fired, with criminal cases opened against them. He rejected the idea of “cleansing” police ranks, likening such a notion to the 1937 Stalinist purges.

    A reporter from BBC Russia asked Putin to comment on his daughters, following media reports on their alleged business and work interests. Putin, who generally avoids discussing his family publicly, didn't answer the question.

    Looking abroad: US & China

    Putin commented on the impeachment of US President Donald Trump. “I'm not so sure he'll be leaving (office),” he quipped, blaming Democrat skulduggery and lingering resentment over Hillary Clinton's 2016 defeat. “They accused him of plotting with Russia, and when that turned out not to be true, they made up smears about Ukraine.”

    Asked about China, the president made it clear that Russia doesn't have a military alliance with Beijing and isn't planning to start one. He says Moscow is helping the Chinese with defensive military upgrades in the spirit of partnership, not in the sense of NATO-style binding promises.

    https://www.rt.com/news/476437-putin...nference-2024/

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    Putin thanks Trump for helping prevent terrorist attacks in Russia

    Russian President Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with his American counterpart Donald Trump. This was reported on the Kremlin website.

    During the conversation, the head of state thanked the US president for the information that helped prevent the commission of terrorist attacks in Russia. Information was transmitted through special services.

    The leaders of the two states also discussed issues of common interest and agreed on cooperation in the fight against terrorism.

    In November, Putin at a meeting with officers and prosecutors on the occasion of their appointment to higher posts and the assignment of higher military (special) ranks to them, said that the FSB (Federal Security Service) had prevented 39 terrorist crimes since the beginning of the year. According to the head of state, good results have been achieved in other areas of work, in particular in countering foreign intelligence services.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/12/29/putin_trump/

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    The Russians preparing the New Year attacks were detained on a tip from the United States

    Suspected of preparing terrorist attacks in St. Petersburg, the Russians were detained on the basis of information from American intelligence agencies. On Sunday, December 29, reports TASS with reference to the Center for Public Relations (CSP) of the FSB .

    Reportedly, intelligence officers received data on the preparation of crimes from colleagues from the United States. On December 27, the FSB detained two Russian citizens planning to carry out terrorist attacks during the New Year holidays in crowded places.

    Criminal proceedings have been instituted under the articles of the Criminal Code “Preparing for the commission of a crime”, “Terrorism” and “Participation in the activities of terrorist organizations”. The suspects were seized materials confirming their preparation for the commission of crimes.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a telephone conversation with US leader Donald Trump, thanked him for the information that helped prevent terrorist attacks in Russia.

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    Putin’s Russia Is 20 Years Old and Stronger Than Ever. Or Is It?

    Two decades after he rose to power, Vladimir Putin has restored the country’s global reach—but at home, risks are growing.

    By Henry Meyer December 28, 2019

    A few months after his astonishing rise to power, Vladimir Putin, then 47, was eager to please at his first Kremlin summit with an American counterpart: Bill Clinton.

    The retired KGB colonel’s charm offensive started with an elaborate dinner of wild boar and goose, followed by a tour of his private quarters and a jazz concert that entertained his saxophone-playing guest until midnight. At some point, Putin would later say, he dropped a bombshell by asking if Russia could someday join NATO, the Western military alliance created to counter Moscow’s global machinations after World War II.

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    (The story goes on)

    “I don’t mind,” said Clinton Putin. It was June 2000.

    Two decades later, Russia’s relations with the United States and its allies were barely more intense, including almost six years of increasingly severe sanctions that triggered the war in Ukraine. But Putin, who had already overtaken 29 leaders of the group of seven when he won the last constitutional six-year term in 2018, seems to be turning the tables, despite what he calls hysterical Russophobia in the West.

    At a summit on Ukraine in Paris this month, Putin dominated a room where Angela Merkel from Germany and Emmanuel Macron from France were present. Merkel, Europe’s most powerful politician for almost 15 years, is on the way out. Macron faces crippling strikes and protests at home and calls on NATO to stop seeing Russia as an enemy. (Another NATO founder, Britain, plans to finally leave the EU next month and create new columns on the continent.)

    Then, on Tuesday, Putin announced a victory in Russia’s unspoken arms race with the United States, announcing the world’s first use of hypersonic weapons, which he said could hit targets on every continent.

    “The Soviet Union has caught up,” said Putin at a meeting in Moscow. “Today we have a situation that is unique in modern history: you are trying to catch up with us.”

    Under Putin, Russia restored part of the geopolitical power exercised by the Soviet Union, angering most of the 29 NATO countries. He has deepened relations with China, annexed Crimea from Ukraine, turned the war in Syria, sold advanced air defense systems to NATO member Turkey, and achieved important arms and oil deals with Venezuela’s key U.S. ally, Saudi Arabia – while allegedly interfering with voices in the US, UK and elsewhere.

    Russia is again a major power in the Middle East and is expanding in Africa for the first time in a generation. The Kremlin has resumed military ties with regional power Egypt and war-torn Libya, where a strong man backed by Russian mercenaries is fighting for power with a United Nations-backed government in Tripoli.

    Despite all of its success abroad, Putin faces growing economic and political risks from the rigid, top-down government system that he has installed in a country that spans eleven time zones. The dilemma for the Kremlin is now to maintain Putinism or “managed democracy” after Putin’s tenure in 2024.

    “If you compare Russia today to 2000 when Putin came to power, it’s in a much better position,” said Thomas Graham, a senior Russian political official in the two governments of George W. Bush. “But if you look at it over the next 10 years, how is it going to be maintained?”

    Indeed, one of the most remarkable things about Putin’s ability to further expand Russia’s global reach is the fact that he does it on a large budget. The anemic and profit-dependent economy he built is less than 8% the size of the United States. It spends more than twice on defense than Russia on everything, including education, health care and policing.

    At the same meeting, Putin boasted of gaining the upper hand over new weapons, and his defense minister complained that he had dropped to ninth place in the world next year, compared to seventh place last year, in military spending. Putin’s fiscal caution, especially since the outbreak of the Ukraine conflict, has made the government’s balance sheet one of the healthiest in the world. Rating agencies and the International Monetary Fund praise them.

    Russia has a budget surplus, is relatively low in debt and has one of the largest foreign exchange and gold reserves. But Putin’s reluctance to boost the economy through a comprehensive stimulus package reflects the bottlenecks and inefficiencies of his state-dominated economy. Russia even decided last year to raise the retirement age to save pensions, which led to major protests.

    Growth is expected to be just over 1% this year, and most economists believe that future expansion will reach around 2 for reasons related to the structure of the Putin system, which primarily provides stability % is limited. With global growth of around 3.5%, the IMF expects Russia’s share of global production to halve to 1.7% in 2024 (2013: 3%).

    “Nobody would bet that Russia would grow faster than the world economy,” said Sergei Guriev, former chief economist of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and Russian government advisor who has been criticizing the Kremlin from France since 2013. “This is a direct result of the decision by the political leadership to continue on the path of stagnation.”

    Putin has repeatedly vowed to make a “major economic breakthrough” for the population, but real incomes continue to decline, falling 10% in the past five years. According to a survey by the independent Levada Center in November, more than half of the 18- to 24-year-old Russians want to emigrate as career opportunities decrease.

    “If a western country experienced this reality, the government would likely be replaced in an election,” Guriev said over the phone from Paris. “But in Russia they somehow manage to get away with it.”

    Against the backdrop of growing discontent, Levada said Putin’s approval rate, which was almost 90% given the patriotic zeal that erupted after the annexation of Crimea, has dropped to 68%. And this number is falsified by the lack of political competition and the reluctance of voters to putin’s voice criticism in a telephone survey. (All mobile phone calls to Russia are now being recorded and will be stored in special collection points for a time under a new counter-terrorism law.)

    Putin has cleverly managed to use the state’s oppressive powers subtly and demonstrably to prevent the rise of a challenger or an opposition mass media. The main critic in his first two terms, former billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky, has been detained for a past decade. His outspoken opponent, Alexei Navalny, was detained with virtually no interruption for unauthorized rallies.

    Nevertheless, most older Russians who survived the lost decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and triggered a deeper economic slump than the American Great Depression saw Putin as a savior to reverse the collapse and restore law and order.

    On December 30, 1999, Putin, then the youngest of the prime ministers, said that the former superpower would need 15 years and 8% growth to reach today’s GDP per capita is not even “among the world leaders. “

    A day later, on New Year’s Eve, a battered president, Boris Yeltsin, resigned and asked Putin to “take care of Russia”. With a new leadership – and rising oil prices – Russia grew over the next eight years and an average of 7 percent in 2012, Portugal would almost have caught this measure before falling back. Nominal gross domestic product (GDP) would peak at 8th this year before falling to 11th in 2018. This roughly corresponds to South Korea with only 35% of the Russian population.

    With the help of China and other countries, Putin has created barricades to protect the Russian economy from the uncertainties of the US dollar-dominated financial system and the effects of additional sanctions. Dmitri Trenin, director of the Moscow Carnegie Center, says Russia can continue to stand above its weight in connection with Putin’s tactical skills in global affairs.

    “GDP is not the absolute measure of all economic things,” said Trenin. “The fundamental resilience of the economy is much more important. his ability to absorb strong shocks; Moscow’s solid finances; its low external debt; the Kremlin’s ability to mobilize in the face of external threats; and the relative abundance of resources Moscow needs to support its foreign policy. “

    Russia’s longest-serving leader since Soviet dictator Josef Stalin begins to deal with the issue of 2024, people near the Kremlin say.

    While Putin has repeatedly ruled out changing the constitution to allow for another term, no other way to remain in power seems to be a sure thing during his annual press conference. The stage is set for what could prove to be his riskiest chess game of all.

    – With the support of Samuel Dodge, Ilya Arkhipov and Anna Andrianova.

    To contact the author of this story: Henry Meyer in Moscow at hmeyer4@bloomberg.net

    How to contact the editor responsible for this story: Gregory White at gwhite64@bloomberg.net

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    A similar subject from another source?

    Twenty Years Later – How Did Putin Do?

    Patrick Armstrong



    "Twenty years ago a not very well-known Vladimir Putin published an essay “Russia at the turn of the millennium”. It was printed in Nezavisimaya Gazeta and at the Russian government website. The only copy that I can find on the Net in English now is here but I will be referring to the official English translation and Russian text that I downloaded at the time.

    Putin had been Prime Minister for about five months and, when Yeltsin resigned the day after the publication of this essay, he became Acting President. Since that day his team has been running Russia. It is reasonable to regard this essay as his program and, on its twenty-year anniversary, appropriate to see how well he (and his team – it’s not a one-man operation) have done.


    I concluded that he outlined four main projects:



    • Improve the economy.
    • Re-establish central control.
    • Establish a rule of law.
    • Improve Russia’s position in the world.


    Putin took power at a time when people were seriously saying Russia is Finished. And, however silly this may look now when we are hysterically told every day that “Putin’s Russia” is infiltrating, controlling, interfering, attacking, hacking, conquering, violating, cheating it is worth running over what the author said. Assassinations, mafiya, corruption, kryshas, oligarchs, unpaid salaries, military collapse: “the Russians are likely to face a long, slow, relatively peaceful decline into obscurity – a process that is well under way”. The author acknowledged the changing of the guard – the piece was published in May 2000 – but believed Putin was picked only because he had the “security connections to protect” Yeltsin’s entourage; he was just another centraliser building a personality cult in “Zaire With Permafrost.”

    The author – like almost everyone else – got Putin wrong but generally he was describing the reality of Russia in 2000. It was a mess. In Putin’s own words last June:

    But I must note that during that time our social sphere, industry and the defence sector collapsed. We lost the defence industry, we practically destroyed the Armed Forces, led the country into a civil war, to bloodshed in the Caucasus, and brought the country to the verge of losing sovereignty and collapse.


    As far as I know, most Western intelligence agencies (but not the one I was involved with) would have agreed with his prediction that Russia was, inevitably, going down to “obscurity”. The fear then was of chaos – rogue generals, nuclear weapons gone missing (remember suitcase nukes, “red mercury“?): Russia’s weakness was the threat, not its strength. We appreciated how badly off Russia was but also knew that Russia in its thousand years has often been down but never out. We also knew that there was more to Putin than the absurdities that were said about him of which I especially remember this:

    Psychiatry recognizes a condition known as ‘moral idiocy’. Every time he opens his mouth in public, Putin confirms this diagnosis for himself.

    In my group we took note that he had been the trusted disciple of Anatoliy Sobchak who was, in the terminology of the time, a “reformer” and therefore a “good Russian”. We had also read the millennium paper and saw the program. I am not pretending that, in 1999, I or my colleagues expected him to do all this but at least we saw the possibilities. We, as it were, saw a half full glass where others saw a glass quickly emptying.


    ************************************

    He and his team were trying to make Russia prosperous, united, law-governed and internationally significant. A formidable program from the perspective of 1999 to be sure. How well have they done?
    Taking the economy first. One of the famous quotations from the millennium paper was this:
    It will take us approximately fifteen years and an annual growth of our Gross Domestic Product by 8 percent a year to reach the per capita GDP level of present-day Portugal or Spain.

    That mission has been accomplished and much more than merely accomplished. According to the World Bank Russia’s GDP in purchasing power parity in 2018 (4.0 billion) was nearly 12 times as high as Portugal’s (339 million) and twice Spain’s (1.8 billion). It was in fact larger than France’s (3.0 billion) or the UK’s (3.0 billion), two other countries he mentioned. (By comparison, China 25 billion and USA 20 billion). Valuations of Russia’s GDP in US dollars contradict reality: as I have argued elsewhere, Russia’s economy is in fact full-service and it is one of four potential autarkies on the planet. And, the way things are going, it won’t become any less so: as Awara points out it is one of the most independent economies in the world, well positioned to survive a world recession. While individual Russians could certainly be richer, the improvement from the desperate situation in 2000 is extraordinary. Ironically, Western sanctions (and Moscow’s adroit response) have strengthened the Russian economy; as Putin said in his last direct line program:


    Look, if ten years ago I or anyone else in this hall had been told that we would be exporting agricultural products worth $25.7 billion, like we did last year, I would have laughed in the face of the person who said this.



    An outstanding success.


    The second point was re-centralising power. In 2000 there were concerns that the federation might break up: the CIA in 2004 (has there ever been an organisation with a worse track record of Russia predictions?) thought it could break into as many as eight different parts by 2015. Many of the “subjects of the federation” had negotiated sovereignty pacts with Moscow and, as of 2000, Chechnya was effectively independent. So, in fact, the CIA’s prediction was not, of itself, idiotic but it assumed a temporary weakness to be a permanent condition: a longer view of Russia’s track record shows weak periods but it always comes back. As Putin said in the millennium paper:


    For Russians a strong state is not an anomaly which should be got rid of. Quite the contrary, they see it as a source and guarantor of order and the initiator and main driving force of any change.


    Russia is a civilisation state – . The Russian language has two words that would be translated as “Russian”: one for ethnic Russians, the other for citizens of the country. A Chechen can’t be the first (and wouldn’t want to be) but he can be proud of being the second.


    Again, we have to agree that the Putin Team achieved its second aim.


    The third aim was rule of law. And here assessment is on more uncertain grounds. The first question to ask is whether any country actually does have a “rule of law”. Britain is holding Assange in jail on rape charges jumping bail… what charges? What exactly did Maria Butina do? Why did Canada seize a Chinese executive? Whataboutism they call this but it establishes the base of reality – all countries have corruption, all countries have one law for the powerful and another for the weak; it’s not absolute, it’s a matter of degree. Certainly, by any standards, twenty years ago Russia was very lawless; how lawless is it today and how successful has the Team been? I don’t know know of any good study on the matter – I don’t take Transparency International seriously: Ukraine less corrupt than Russia? – but it does appear that things are much better than they were. Certainly we hear very little about businesses needing criminals’ protection today and Russia’s ranking on ease of doing business is continually improving and is respectable today. This guide indicates some remaining problems but generally assumes that it’s possible for foreigners to do business there as does this guide. Recently we learned that “Nearly one in six Russian mayors have faced criminal prosecution over the past decade” which is either evidence of a lot of corruption or a lot of success combatting it. The construction of a new cosmodrome has involved much theft but other mega projects – like the Crimea Bridge or the new Moscow-St Petersburg highway – seem to have been carried out with little. A balanced (and sourced) piece argues that there has been considerable improvement in the rights of the accused in the twenty years. But a frequent complaint in Putin’s Q&A sessions are over-zealous officials destroying businesses – perhaps for venal purposes. So a cautious conclusion would suggest that the two decades have seen a reduction in criminality and an improvement in rule of law. How much of each is debatable and the argument is not helped by tendentious pieces asserting that the imitation of the American foreign agents law was “a landmark on the journey towards the end of the rule of law in modern-day Russia.


    So some success in this aim but some distance to go still.


    The fourth aim was to improve Russia’s standing in the world. Here another enormous turnaround is seen – even if not much to the liking of those who ruled the world in 2000. There’s no need to spell it out – despite the West’s efforts to isolate and weaken Russia, Putin is a welcome visitor in many places. The delirium over Russia’s imagined influence and control proves that it is hardly “decline[d] into obscurity”. Moscow’s status is, of course, especially recognised in Beijing where the Russia-China alliance grows stronger day by day. When we see the NYT, after years of “ ” we see the belated realisation that twenty years’ of pushing around an “insignificant” Russia has not turned out so happily for the pushers. The NYT and Macron are too late: why would Moscow or Beijing ever trust the West again? Meanwhile Moscow manages to have, for example, good relations with Iran, Iraq and Syria as well as with Saudi Arabia and Israel; quite a contrast with Washington and much of the West.


    ************************************



    So, in conclusion, twenty years later the program has been very successful.



    Improve economy? Yes, dramatically, extra marks.



    Re-centralise control? Yes, full marks.



    Rule of law? Considerable progress, part marks.



    Improve Russia’s role in the world? Yes, dramatically, extra marks.



    The West resents this achievement and has been in an economic (sanctions) and diplomatic (ditto) war with Russia. But, many would argue, that the only Russia the West has ever liked is a weak one (except, of course, in times of war against Napoleon, the Kaiser or Hitler); enmity is a given and the only way the West would like Russia would be if the Putin Team had failed and it had remained, poor, divided, lawless and insignificant.

    A remarkably successful achievement; not accomplished by accident or luck: a good plan, intelligently and flexibly carried out.

    ************************************


    As an afterword, given the repetitive scare stories about the return of Stalin, here’s what Putin said about the Soviet period (Note: this is the official English translation; it takes some liberties with the original but is true to the spirit).

    For almost three-fourths of the outgoing century Russia lived under the sign of the implementation of the communist doctrine. It would be a mistake not to see and, even more so, to deny the unquestionable achievements of those times. But it would be an even bigger mistake not to realise the outrageous price our country and its people had to pay for that Bolshevist experiment. What is more, it would be a mistake not to understand its historic futility. Communism and the power of Soviets did not make Russia a prosperous country with a dynamically developing society and free people. Communism vividly demonstrated its inaptitude for sound self-development, dooming our country to a steady lag behind economically advanced countries. It was a road to a blind alley, which is far away from the mainstream of civilisation.


    Hardly an endorsement is it?"

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/30/twenty-years-later-how-did-putin-do/


    Another by the same author, to the article above:

    Twenty Years Later – What Putin Forgot

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...-putin-forgot/
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    Rather to cancel the anniversary of WWII liberation than to invite dangerous Mr. Putin - Poland

    'Remember the past & honor the dead': Former president Walesa slams Poland's failure to commemorate Warsaw's WWII liberation
    17 Jan, 2020

    While the anniversary of Warsaw's liberation is largely overlooked in modern-day Poland, it's worth paying respect to the sacrifice of the Red Army, former president and democracy hero Lech Walesa acknowledged on RT.

    It's been exactly 75 years since the Soviet Union's 1st Byelorussian Front and the allied Polish 1st Army defeated the last remaining pocket of Nazi resistance, ending the five-year occupation of Warsaw. But the milestone event, in which 22,000 Soviet and 3,100 Polish soldiers lost their lives, is no longer an occasion for Poland to celebrate, it seems.

    While local press maintained a deafening silence about the anniversary – except for several outlets trying to play down its significance – the government did not celebrate it either, limiting commemorations to a pair of privately organized events.

    Remarkably, this policy didn't sit well with Walesa, Poland's first post-communist president and recipient of multiple Western awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize.

    If I were in power, I would allow myself to be invited – I would invite myself because we must remember the past, respect the past, remember that many people have died, and deserved gratitude and recognition.

    Poland has been trying to wipe out certain parts of its history for quite some time. Last year, it went so far as to invite Angela Merkel to the commemoration of the 1939 Nazi invasion, but refused to invite Vladimir Putin to the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet forces.

    "If I were in power, I would invite Putin," Walesa told RT. "I would look for positive solutions so that both countries benefited and сould prevent other powers from capitalizing on our mistakes."
    The former president, who rose to prominence as leader of the Western-backed, anti-communist Solidarity movement, claimed, however, that there was "another perspective of World War II" under which Poland had fallen "into the captivity of the Soviet Union for 50 years."

    he Soviet operation to liberate Warsaw began on January 14, 1945, when the 61st Army crossed the Vistula River and crushed German defenses on the outskirts of the city. Days later, it emerged that the capital stood empty and deserted as the Nazi command had ordered its destruction.

    Many civilians had to flee Warsaw, others were persecuted or displaced by the retreating Germans. Those who survived say they rejoiced at the liberation and cheerfully greeted Soviet and Polish soldiers as they entered the city.

    'Remember the past & honor the dead': Former president Walesa slams Poland's failure to commemorate Warsaw's WWII liberation — RT World News

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    Rather to cancel the anniversary of WWII liberation than to invite dangerous Mr. Putin - Poland
    Fair enough, given the history between the two nations

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    Twenty Years Later – How Did Putin Do?

    That's pretty easy:

    - Eliminated opposition and filled the judiciary and parliament with lackies
    - Murdered or jailed journalists who tried to expose his evil deeds
    - Stole billions of dollars of Russian assets via an arcane network of oligarchs, shell companies and other devious financial instruments
    - Illegally annexed part of a sovereign nation

    etc. etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Fair enough, given the history between the two nations
    Without the Russian sacrifice all the Poland population could speak a good Deutsch nowadays, not needed to learn English when applying for the shitty jobs in UK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Twenty Years Later – How Did gollilocks Do?

    That's pretty easy:

    - Eliminated opposition and filled the judiciary and parliament with lackies (Supreme Court, Dept of ....)
    - Murdered or jailed journalists who tried to expose his evil deeds ( too many to list)
    - Stole billions of dollars of ameristani citizens assets via an arcane network of oligarchs, shell companies and other devious financial instruments ( too many to list)
    - Illegally annexed part of a sovereign nation ( too many to list)

    etc. etc. etc.
    FIFY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Without the Russian sacrifice all the Poland population could speak a good Deutsch nowadays, not needed to learn English when applying for the shitty jobs in UK...
    So, Russia did Poland a dis-service in the end . . . and just imagine, you'd struggle your way through German instead of English now

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    FIFY.
    What's the weather like on your planet?

    Because it clearly isn't Earth.

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    ^Hurting much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^Hurting much?
    Yes, from laughing at your witless drivel.

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    ^I'm glad I helped to make your day, excellent.

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    OhOh comparing Dotard to Putin the Poisoner is pretty effing hilarious.

    Putin would be insulted if he knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith View Post
    Putin would be insulted if he knew.
    TD rumours suggest THE LORD signs off personally, prior to me receiving the flash "GO" text.

    Along with a gram or two of efficiently delivered:

    How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?-3-w-993-q-high-c

    Last edited by OhOh; 24-01-2020 at 01:48 PM.

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    whilst:

    ALEXANDER SCHALLENBERG (Austria foreign minister)
    "Our values are also our interests"

    In this interview, Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg talks about partners and competitors on the world stage and why he sees the preservation of the European model of life as a central task for the future.
    From 25.01.2020

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    Is Russia part of this Western value society? Or at least a potential part?

    There was, of course, the hope that this would develop in this direction. Russia has chosen its own path, but as far as this is concerned, I am always very happy to quote a phrase from the German President, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. He has said that in the long term there will be no security and stability in Europe against Russia, but only with Russia.
    "Unsere Werte sind auch unsere Interessen" - Wiener Zeitung Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Is Russia part of this Western value society?
    No. Simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    No. Simple
    They have far better values?

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