Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

"Direct every military operation toward a clearly defined, decisive, and attainable objective. The ultimate military purpose of war is the destruction of the enemy's ability to fight and will to fight. "

http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-0.pdf

US Army Field Manual FM 3–0


To win a war, it means you have hit your objectives going into the war. I wouold say that the objective for each US war was to destroy the infrastructure of the countries attacked by them, reduce the population, promote terrorist reactions, take over their economy and and gift the central banking function private bankers, spend trillions of tax payers money whilst cities in the US go bankrupt....etc so therefore the US has won every war decisively they have been a part of. If you base it though upon the stated by the puppet in chief the reasons for war and the objectives (peace , stability, democracy blah blah) then they have failed each and every time.

Originally Posted by OhOh

^The ability to rape, or deny them to others, the country of all it's assets is the payoff. Which of the wars "won" by the Crusader coalition nations have they succeed in doing this.

Which countries of the Crusader coalition does not now impose a 50km "security zone" before the Land of the Free leader enters their air space. Which countries has Bush 1 and Bush 2 gone to after leaving office?

INdeed. The point of war for the axis of evil is war itself. Never ending war.

Pseu, so after 2,000 years you want the killing , raping and pillaging to end ?

What would be the purpose of CNN, FOX news and major media outlets ?

Give peace a chance ? C'mon , brother - my missile defense stocks and military hardware investments will implode ;-)

[Note: satire .]

Pseu , if only it was that simple.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Pseu, so after 2,000 years you want the killing , raping and pillaging to end ?

Would be nice, heh!

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Pseu , if only it was that simple.

Take the top 1%



Added to this, all the eugenicists who crave population reduction... they can be topped as well. Anyone asking for war. Anyone who is a psychopath. Job done.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

they can be topped as well. Anyone asking for war. Anyone who is a psychopath. Job done.

Not really- because then we only end up with new psychopaths.

^As some have said:

"We are none of us any longer invited to “buy into” ideas, products, policies and procedures: increasingly, we are ordered to conform – or else".

Stop accepting and demand or at least adopt a different attitude.Influence is a drink best delivered cautiously.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by pseudolus

they can be topped as well. Anyone asking for war. Anyone who is a psychopath. Job done.

Not really- because then we only end up with new psychopaths.

I know. Such a shame, heh?

IN actual fact, taking money creation and control away from the banksters would be a good start (as well as a raft of imprisonments). Problem is the system is so corrupt and owned now around the world it will take a mass non compliance to change things which with so many still buying all the fake left right us and them paradigm, it will never happen.

To push the Minsk II agreement towards it's end, the Eastern Freedom Fighters have unilaterally moved all weapons less than 100mm back from the front line, under OSCE supervision, allegedly.

E. Ukraine rebels withdraw lighter weapons from front line ? RT News

Militias in Lugansk say that they have pulled back all weapons of less than 100 mm caliber from the front line to a distance of at least 3 kilometers from the frontline, excepting the area around the village of Schastie.“All commanders have reported the withdrawal of equipment. Therefore all tanks, APCs, MT-LBs which carry antiaircraft emplacement, and other less than 100 mm caliber arms have been pulled back,” the militias told LuganskInformCenter."


"The authorities of the fellow self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) announced a similar move, adding that monitors of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe are witnessing the redeployment.
DNR spokesperson Eduard Basurin said that the militias withdrew more than 40 tanks and 80 infantry fighting vehicles on Sunday."


Kiev is doubtful though.


"Kiev authorities, however, say they doubt that the rebels are actually pulling weapons back. “They say one thing and do the opposite,” the Ukrainian presidential administration’s spokesman for the military operation, Aleksander Motuzyanik, told RIA Novosti."

'We see movement of military hardware away from contact line' – OSCE

'We see movement of military hardware away from contact line' ? OSCE ? RT News

"OSCE Special Monitoring Mission in Ukraine confirmed that it had seen weapons being withdrawn from the front line in eastern Ukraine on Monday. However, the mission needs "additional information" in order to verify the move, an OSCE official told RT.

"What we see at the moment is a movement of military hardware away from the contact line," Deputy Chief Monitor of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine Alexander Hug told RT on Monday.

To provide "an actual verification of a withdrawal," the monitors need "to be provided with additional baseline information, in order to be sure that weapons are not just being moved around, but are actually withdrawn, and remain withdrawn," he added.
Saying that it was "up to the sides to put action behind their words," Hug said that OSCE would welcome "a reciprocal action on both sides" of the conflict. "This type of disengagement is required in all of the hotspots," he added."

Ukraine hots up again.

The US delivers it's promised "non-leathal" armoured cars to Odessa.





"The delivery of 100 HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) military vehicles, also known as Humvees, was made Saturday in the Ukrainian port city of Odessa. The information was largely sourced from the US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.


“Another 100 humvees for #Ukraine delivered to #Odesa this morning – making good on @VP’s commitment in March,” he wrote on his Twitter feed.

The first 30 Humvees were delivered to Ukraine in March as the US announced the promise of 230 military vehicles and additional military equipment worth $75 million."



But, more shocking, Putin changes his vocabulary. He now uses "geopolitical opponents" instead of the former "partners" when alluding to the "exceptional" countries.

From his Security Council meeting speech:
July 3, 2015, The Kremlin, Moscow


President of Russia

"Colleagues, recent events show that we cannot hope that some of our geopolitical opponents will change their hostile course anytime in the foreseeable future. The EU countries recently extended the sanctions they have imposed on us, and discussions continue in the United States on toughening sanctions against us."

When will this man learn how to bow and kiss his betters arse ?

^ when you have a moment can you post up the pictures of the agressive Russian State (not ethnic russians from Ukraine or vehicles made in Russia) army that according to WaSHILLington is rampaging by the thousand through Ukraine. I've asked this before, but none of the warmongers have been able to back up their assertion with proof.

Thanks

^Unfortunately the photos provided by my master have, according to the Thai Post Office tracking service, been held at Vauxhall Cross, 85 Albert Embankment, London, SE1 7TP for some unexplained reason.






I did telephone the address and was told they would only be handed to me personally. They also mentioned to bring a change of clothes, a toothbrush and some lubrication jelly - to diminish the pain and scarring. After informing them I was in Thailand, they said to go to The Dolls House, Soi Cowboy, Bangkok and ask for Lek. She would "take care" of me.

Hopefully after the harvesting has been completed I will have time to pop in and see Lek.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ when you have a moment can you post up the pictures of the agressive Russian State (not ethnic russians from Ukraine or vehicles made in Russia) army that according to WaSHILLington is rampaging by the thousand through Ukraine. I've asked this before, but none of the warmongers have been able to back up their assertion with proof.

Thanks

What would be the point? You'd only say "That's made up", or "Oh yeah right, so you can trust that corporate controlled media mouthpiece" or whatever other bollocks feeds your denial.

Putin?s Secret Warriors: Russian Soldiers Sent to Fight in Ukraine

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ when you have a moment can you post up the pictures of the agressive Russian State (not ethnic russians from Ukraine or vehicles made in Russia) army that according to WaSHILLington is rampaging by the thousand through Ukraine. I've asked this before, but none of the warmongers have been able to back up their assertion with proof.

Thanks

Oh, certainly no russian troops in Ukraine. It is a handful of unarmed Donezk coal miners that is trashing the ukrainian army.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by Takeovers

Oh, certainly no russian troops in Ukraine. It is a handful of unarmed Donezk coal miners that is trashing the ukrainian army.

No Ukrainian troops crossed over in the year or so eh, no Ukrainian officers either?

No Ukrainian troops stationed in the east joined the rebels eh.

Better shoot a few more videos to convince the waverers.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

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So you've read it already then.

Problem No. 1 -The link went to a "Newsweek" site,

Problem No.2 The newsweek site says I can't read it without "subscribing".

You know I always take a look at your post links Harry

Any other links you have to the original story or am I to assume it's a "Newsweek" article.

Go Problem No. 1

So long as Putin keeps Snowden safe from the American Government, he can't be all bad.

The gist of it is:

On March 2, 2015, US Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges estimated that 12,000 Russian soldiers, including "military advisers, weapons operators and combat troops," are active in eastern Ukraine.

There have been hundreds, likely thousands, of Russian citizens who have voluntarily crossed the border into Ukraine on their own accord. Putin has confirmed this, and many eager Russians even filled out online applications to join the separatist ranks—that is how easy it is to become a separatist fighter in Ukraine.

And our mate Vlad:

Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets | World news | The Guardian

He's a lad, ain't he?

The US "estimate" 12,000 soldiers. Do they all have stealth capes?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

US Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges estimated that 12,000 Russian soldiers

"Somebody" states 100's or "likely" 1,000s, crossing the border for what? Who said it? Ukraine has some very good beaches for holidays and an APC/Humvee is purely a nonlethal means of transport, alleges the crusader coalition.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There have been hundreds, likely thousands, of Russian citizens who have voluntarily crossed the border into Ukraine

Putin has allegedly confirmed "this" or what! A link to the report of "Putin actually "saying it" would be more trusted , by any doubters.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Putin has confirmed this

Still it was "Newsweak".

As for what one country considers to be "state secrets"

Originally Posted by OhOh

The US "estimate" 12,000 soldiers. Do they all have stealth capes?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

US Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges estimated that 12,000 Russian soldiers

"Somebody" states 100's or "likely" 1,000s, crossing the border for what? Who said it? Ukraine has some very good beaches for holidays and an APC/Humvee is purely a nonlethal means of transport, alleges the crusader coalition.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There have been hundreds, likely thousands, of Russian citizens who have voluntarily crossed the border into Ukraine

Putin has allegedly confirmed "this" or what! A link to the report of "Putin actually "saying it" would be more trusted , by any doubters.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Putin has confirmed this

Still it was "Newsweak".

As for what one country considers to be "state secrets"

And there you go, and you wonder why people don't post things for you.

You are in denial.

So it's a bit fucking pointless.

I could lob Russian soldiers' body parts on your doorstep and you'd say it was your neighbour dropping off dog food.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You are in denial. So it's a bit fucking pointless.

I gave up long ago these idiots have made up their minds in spite of the mountains of evidence that Russia has been deeply involved in all aspects if this war. Providing military equipment, logistical support ammunition and ultimately sending soldiers over the boarder when the drunken incompetent rebels find themselves in trouble.