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    One interpretation of the ceasefire agreement.


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    Now here is a prediction. I make this prediction that I would comfortably put a bet on for a few thousand bucks as well, based upon the playbook for these ceasefires.

    Not long after it, some Ukrainian nationalists will be killed or bombed. It will certainly not be the Ukrainian Freedom fighters that will be attacked, it will be some of the Nazi's lads, kids and women especially.

    When that happens, in Nazi ukrainian press they will release a "conversation" transcript like "Heh boris, lets break the ceasefire and kill some kids".

    Within minutes John Kerry will have a press conference condemning what he will call "russian aggression" and the Nazi will be paraded looking all innocent.

    Then the US will send the big guns in like they want to all along and the Nazi who has pledged NEVER to accept a ceasefire or truce will call on every country to attack Russia.

    Ceasefires are all part of the game, in the same way that the US regime change system employs snipers to kill civilians at protests just to get the world incensed about it.

    Last about 2 days. Next faux ceasefire will last a few hours. Then war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Then the US will send the big guns in like they want to all along and the Nazi who has pledged NEVER to accept a ceasefire or truce will call on every country to attack Russia.
    The US will never be able to send in the "BIG GUNS" you speak of. I do not know what you do for a living but you have clearly never worked in the financial industry nor logistics.

    The Russians have already sent in the big guns. The stockyards are just next door. You are just a stupid parrot to think that this war could have been sustained and intensified to the current level without Russian involvement.

    I posted a letter from Strelkov who confirmed this yet you dimwits continue to press on with your nonsense.

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    Balls

    Prove any Russian supplied big stuff is there. I've asked this before and yet you have never showed this proof.

    Us big guns.... bombs and drones are obombas preferred civilian killing tools are they not.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Prove any Russian supplied big stuff is there.
    Are you even serious? This is a nation state with several hundred of its own tanks, artillery pieces, and Apc's and they are getting pushed back by a petty rebel group?

    Get real you delusional fucktard. It has become clear through your previous posts that you are incredibly stupid and ill informed.

    Do you understand the term "attrition"? It is a widely used term in military circles especially in conventional nation state warfare. No ragtag rebel group could "attrit" loses to a nation state like the Ukraine without major support from another state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    they are getting pushed back by a petty rebel group?
    Were you saying that about the Axis of Evil forces ultimately getting booted out of Afghanistan and iraQ by a load of dedicated locals, defending their house and land from invading fascist forces? How about vietnam? Easy enough when the "rebels" and no doubt washington will dub them TERRORISTS are actually the civilian population defending their homes and can take their fighting clothes off and melt back into the population leaving the aggressors fighting shadows. Bit like every war the USA has pitched and always loses.

    Again - where is the proof. You keep saying about this but yet have no proof. USA after months of yapping still unable to release their evidence. If they had anything they would have produced it by now considering they could tell the time on my wrist watch with their satellites it they so chose.

    Keep believing the propaganda you "delusional fucktard"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    No ragtag rebel group could "attrit" loses to a nation state like the Ukraine without major support from another state.
    Remind me again how the US got on in Iraq and Afghanistan and that was fighting even more ill equipped people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    The US will never be able to send in the "BIG GUNS" you speak of. I do not know what you do for a living but you have clearly never worked in the financial industry nor logistics.
    Air Force sending 'tankbuster' jets back to Europe - CNN.com
    U.S. Army sending 100 tanks to Eastern Europe to deter 'Russian aggression' - Washington Times


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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    No ragtag rebel group could "attrit" loses to a nation state like the Ukraine without major support from another state.
    Remind me again how the US got on in Iraq and Afghanistan and that was fighting even more ill equipped people.
    He is talking about the scenario where a nation state on home soil is facing off against an internal insurgency.

    The only time in recent history when a nation state looked like folding to a rebel mob was in Sierra Leone in 2000 when the RUF (backed by Liberia) almost overthrew the government.

    When Blair by request sent in 1 Para to provide help to the government the rebels met an elite fighting force for the first time and their leader was captured on the first day of direct combat causing the rebellion to lose momentum and ultimately lose the civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post

    He is talking about the scenario where a nation state on home soil is facing off against an internal insurgency.

    The only time in recent history when a nation state looked like folding to a rebel mob was in Sierra Leone in 2000 when the RUF (backed by Liberia) almost overthrew the government.
    I'm not sure I understand

    Could you explain ?

    Libya, Yugo ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    The US will never be able to send in the "BIG GUNS" you speak of. I do not know what you do for a living but you have clearly never worked in the financial industry nor logistics.
    Air Force sending 'tankbuster' jets back to Europe - CNN.com
    U.S. Army sending 100 tanks to Eastern Europe to deter 'Russian aggression' - Washington Times


    This is into NATO countries who requested it for fear of Russia.

    Unfortunately Ukraine is not in that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post

    This is into NATO countries who requested it for fear of Russia.

    Unfortunately Ukraine is not in that position.
    The service's European Command said this week that 12 A-10 Thunderbolts would be deployed to Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany, as part of Operation Atlantic Resolve, which was formed after Russia's intervention in Ukraine over the past year.

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    Operation Atlantic Resolve is a demonstration of our continued commitment to the collective security of NATO and dedication to the enduring peace and stability in the region, in light of the Russian intervention in Ukraine specifically. In meeting our global security commitments, the United States must have strong, committed and capable allies, which is why we have fought, exercised and trained with our European allies for the past 70 years. Operation Atlantic Resolve will remain in place as long as the need exists to reassure our allies and deter Russia from regional hegemony.

    Operation Atlantic Resolve | United States European Command
    So regional hegemony ok for NATO and US, not for Russia.. even though it shares a border with Ukraine.. no hegemony for Russia, nada, niet...

    NATO/US good guys. Russia bad guys.

    Swallowed that..? Ok, carry on...

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    The US aren't very good at predicting the outcome from their ill thought out interventions into other countries affairs, you'd have thought they would have learnt by now. Sooner the evil empire falls the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Axis of Evil forces ultimately getting booted out of Afghanistan and iraQ by a load of dedicated locals
    Are you nuts? No one booted the US out of either nation. You live in a fantasy world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    He is talking about the scenario where a nation state on home soil is facing off against an internal insurgency.
    The Ukrainians are not facing an insurgency in the classic sense. The "rebels" are engaging them with huge amounts of conventional weapons toe to toe. The have been pounding the Ukrainians for weeks with heavy artillery and grad rockets that are protected by advanced anti air systems preventing the Ukrainians from using its air force to bomb them. They are following that up with direct assaults using the most advanced tanks and armored personal carriers the Russians have. They are experiencing no ammunition shortages whatsoever because there is a constant stream of equipment and manpower pouring in from across the Russian boarder.

    Psuedo refuses to see this. He has no concept of warfare and is apparently not watching video on youtube and twitter posted by both sides.

    Laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Remind me again how the US got on in Iraq and Afghanistan and that was fighting even more ill equipped people.
    They got on just fine never lost a major engagement and inflicted vastly more casualties on the opposition then they took in return. Why do you think roadside bombs became the flavor of the day? Because the rebels after a certain point could no longer directly engage the US military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    inflicted vastly more casualties on the opposition
    Ahh thats ok then.



    Nice how oboma managed to raise year on year civilian deaths above and beyond even what Dubya could manage

    Afghan Civilians | Costs of War

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    The empire continues to grow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    The Russians have already sent in the big guns. The stockyards are just next door. You are just a stupid parrot to think that this war could have been sustained and intensified to the current level without Russian involvement.
    You might want to review the Ukranian arms industry, review to whom and what was sold and where the Ukrainian armed forces stored their arms caches. When you are totally satified with your review please come back with a list of the arms "supplied", i.e. taken from Russia and transported to the "freedom Fighters", when ahd where delivered, the training given to the "freedom fighters" to utilise these arms.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Whereas the USA government or POTUS has openly admitted the supply , training and management of arms to the Ukrainian army.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    The Russians have already sent in the big guns. The stockyards are just next door. You are just a stupid parrot to think that this war could have been sustained and intensified to the current level without Russian involvement.
    You might want to review the Ukranian arms industry, review to whom and what was sold and where the Ukrainian armed forces stored their arms caches. When you are totally satified with your review please come back with a list of the arms "supplied", i.e. taken from Russia and transported to the "freedom Fighters", when ahd where delivered, the training given to the "freedom fighters" to utilise these arms.
    Now don't say that to him. John Kerry (Skull and Bones man with Bush, relation of Bush) has informed him reliably, and so has obomba the big zbig's creation, that Russia is the aggressor and being an anarchist, he has to spout the official line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Whereas the USA government or POTUS has openly admitted the supply , training and management of arms to the Ukrainian army.

    They generally don't have any foresight regarding their imperial quest...

    Never ending business for the war machine.

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    Now according to this article in the NY times (wonder if Snubb reads the NYTimes?) they state “What remains incontrovertible is that Ukraine is Mr. Putin’s war.”. This of course is an outright absolute lie. Lets look at why which even using the mainstream media, but taking a step back and looking at the complete picture rather than the small boxs that John Kerry and Obomba want everyone to concentrate on, clearly shows what the real timeline was and whose war it actually is.

    The destabilization of Ukraine started in November 2013 when the democratically elected government of Yanukovych realised that the proposed EU agenda that was being pushed would cost the country $160 Billion by cutting trade with Russia. Merkel was the one pushing this trying to get the deal done as quickly as possible, and all Putin did was offer Ukraine $15 Billion dollars in aid on top of existing trade deals. Hardly starting a war. Rightly, with the interests of the country at heart, Yanukovych postponed making a decision on the EU to consider which would actually be better for the country at a time when they were seeing weaker EU nations having their faces smashed into the dirt by the EU. Would they be next? So he took his time.

    The protests, which were fairly limited to western Ukrainians who had an eye on visa free travel to Europe kicked off in Kiev in the Maidan square. Putin had no role in these protests of course. Anyone who says he does is a fool.

    By Feb 2014, the protests were growing more violent with Neo Nazi groups from the west, particularly Lviv, sending brigades of 100 man units to start fights and cause trouble. Again these anti russian neo nazis have nothing to do with Putin.

    By contrast, at the same time (Feb 2014) you have US neocon Nuland pushing regime change in Ukraine. She was reminding Ukrainian business leaders the US had invested $5b in their "European aspirations" for Ukraine and remarkably said "yats is the guy" in her conversation with US Ambassador Geoff Pyatt. Yats is Arseniy Yatsenyuk who was gifted the PM job by washinton a few weeks later.

    The Maidan uprising which forced the coup, came about when snipers starting shooting at police and protesters. Not just protesters, but police as well. We now know that the shooters were indeed the nazi thugs and the vast majority of people on the ground say that the initial shooting began in areas where the neo nazis Andriy Parubiy was in control. This has still not been investigated by the Ukrainian government by the way. If they were sure it was the russians or police, they would have investigated but they have not. The police retreat in the face of this gun fire and return fire believing rightly they are under attack. Is this Putins fault? No. Kerry and obomba say yes, but it is not.

    Feb 21st Yanukovych agreed with 3 EU countries to decreased powers and an early election to put to the democratic test if the people of Ukraine wanted him to stay as they had voted before, or the Neo Nazi thugs who had just opened fire on unarmed civilian protesters. Well, there was only one way that that would go, with an overwhelming victory for Yanuk so the Neo Nazis stormed the government and forcefully took power the very next day. One day later, the US state Department said it was legitimate and low and behold Neocon Nulands Yats did indeed get the job she promised him.

    When all this was happening, Putin was busy with the Sochi olympics. Was it any coincidence that the western shill politicians and main stream media was full of reports saying that a massive terrorist attack would take place there, ensuring that Putin was not paying that much attention to a violent right wing assault on democracy in its neighbour Ukraine?

    The Nazis immediately starting attacking ethnic russians (its what they do after all) to the point where swathes of Russians there hold a referendum and say "we want to return to being part of Russia" and Putin accepts. At the same time, the Nazis launch attacks against civilian population in the East (especially around the Joe Biden Gas fields funnily enough) but having started to see the full scale media and wester politician attack on Russia and the Sanctions, Putin told them in the East to negotiate. Negotiate with a Nazi who has already said that he is not interested in negotiating and will never call a truce.

    So how was Putin involved in this at all? He has been reacting, not instigating.

    A quick glance at South American coups where the US has instantly shown support for the coup leaders that are generally against public support and opinion in those countries, shows very similar, eerily similar, beyond a coincidence similar, patterns. Back a violent group of nutters. Get them to cause trouble. Snipers start shooting people. Police shoot back. Scream from the rooftops in the world dominating mainstream media "THE GOVERNMENT ARE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE. WE MUST START A WAR TO PROTECT THEM" and sit back while the thugs grab power with your money, weapons, training, direction and then fill their administration with your own people.

    The only people who refute this factual series of events and scream "Putin apologists" are the same sort of clueless brainless brainwashed NYTimes reading idiots who shouted "Saddam Apologists" at everyone who dared to question whether the dodgy dossier saying that Saddam had WMDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Why do you think roadside bombs became the flavor of the day? Because the rebels after a certain point could no longer directly engage the US military.
    The roadside bombs, such primitive devices, ensured the "crusader coalition" troops could not step foot out of their heavily defended "lily pads". The idea, tried and failed in Vietnam, was to spread the holy message from a secure base. When the "preachers" could not step off the lily pad the "preachers" sent in the drones.

    Multibillion weapons systems to kill local boys herding sheep, local girls on their wedding day, along with a "suspected" poppy farmer! Word got out and the paymasters realised, as in Vietnam, they had lost. They did win the bodycount war, allegedly. the drone operators were many Kms from any war zone.

    Get used to, it the soldiers no longer line up with their red jackets on, awaiting a musket ball from the latest long rifle. The US and others use many weapons now, military, financial, media outlets ....... to achieve their financial goals for their masters.

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