Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, Syria where over 5 years ago you said the Assad regime would fall within 3 weeks, and Venezuela where you said that Guaido the killer pimp was the real President (because the USA said so), but now the Chavista's control all three branches of the Legislature- Upper house, Lower house, and Presidency- and pimpboy is too scared to even enter the country. That's the ones.

I did say Assad was going to fall - which was true until Putin decided to fight his war for him. Lie #1.

And I never said anything about who was President other than that they deserved free and fair elections which is never going to happen. Lie #2.

If you wish to post any more off topic lies, do it in the appropriate threads and I'll address your lies properly.

27 Sep, 2022 20:02 HomeRussia & FSU


Four regions vote to join Russia: What’s next?

The accession process of Donbass and two regions of southern Ukraine to Russia will include several steps

"The Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR) along with Kherson Region and part of Zaporozhye Region in southern Ukraine have voted to join Russia in referendums that were held between September 23 and 27.

In Lugansk, more than 98% of voters have supported the idea to join Russia, official figures show with all the ballots counted. Donetsk has shown similar results with more than 99% of voters supporting the move. Both Zaporozhye and Kherson regions have process all the ballots by late Tuesday, with 93% and 87% of voters respectively backing the split from Ukraine and reunification with Russia.

The process of integrating new regions into Russia may take some time as it requires the approval of the country’s parliament and the president. But Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Friday that he was “convinced it will be fast enough.”

Under the Russian constitution and the federal law on the accession of new constituent members, the procedure includes several steps. Once the regions willing to become part of the Russian Federation submit their proposals to Moscow, the president should inform parliament and the government on the matter, Senator Konstantin Kosachev explained in a Telegram post last week.

If a political agreement on the accession is reached, “draft international treaties on the admission of foreign states or parts of them” to Russia should be developed, Kosachev, the vice speaker of the upper house of parliament, said. These agreements regulate issues such as the name and status of new territories, citizenship, succession, the functioning of public authorities, the operation of legislation, and so forth.

After these treaties are signed, the Russian Constitutional Court should verify if they comply with the country’s supreme law. If there are no violations, the next step will be the ratification of the documents by the lower house, the State Duma, and their approval by the upper house, the Federation Council.

Simultaneously, a draft federal constitutional law on the admission of new constituent units to Russia should be submitted to the Duma. If approved, it then goes to the upper house for consideration.
“This law enters into force no earlier than the entry into force of the international treaties themselves,” Kosachev noted.

Moscow warned earlier that if the Donbass republics and the two southern Ukrainian regions united with Russia, it would consider any attempts by Kiev to retake them as attacks on its own land. “Immediately the Russian Constitution will come into force in relation to these territories where everything is very clearly stated in this regard,” Peskov told journalists last week.

Shortly after the regions decided to hold referendums, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilization that involved calling to arms some 300,000 reservists, according to the military. Media reports have suggested that Moscow allegedly plans to mobilize up to a million.
Kiev considers the territories willing to join Russia to be under illegal occupation and said it would not recognize the results of the referendums. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has ruled out any possibility of talks after the voting.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba stated last Tuesday that “Ukraine has every right to liberate its territories and will keep liberating them, whatever Russia has to say.”

The EU and the US have already called the voting a “sham.” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS on Sunday that the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions “will never be recognized” as part of Russian territory. He added that Kiev had “every right” to take them back."

Four regions vote to join Russia: What’s next? — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Foreign policy News

28 September 2022 17:29

Foreign Ministry’s statement on the referendums in the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions

2008-28-09-2022

"On September 23-27, the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions held referendums on their accession to the Russian Federation. The results of the voting have been tabulated, with the overwhelming majority of voters supporting unification with Russia – 99.23 percent in the DPR, 98.42 percent in the LPR, 93.11 percent in the Zaporozhye Region and 87.05 percent in the Kherson Region. The turnout was as follows: 97.5 percent in the DPR, 92.6 percent in the LPR, 85.4 in the Zaporozhye Region and 76.9 percent in the Kherson Region.

Despite the provocations of the Kiev regime that gave criminal orders to massively shell areas where civilians gather and civilian facilities, people were not afraid to come to the polls and express their will. The results of the plebiscite speak for themselves – the residents of Donbass, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions do not want to return to their former life. They have made a conscious and free choice in favour of Russia.

In fact, they had no alternative left. Far from all people in Ukraine acquiesced and accepted the coup in Kiev in February 2014 that brought to power radical nationalist forces that unleashed a bloody fight against those that would not accept it in the southeast of the country. The signing of the Minsk agreements approved by a UN Security Council resolution did not rescue the situation. As Ukrainian representatives are cynically saying now, Ukraine was never going to honour them from the very start and was preparing for war. For eight years, the population of Donbass was subjected to persistent and cynical attempts to destroy them. The decision of the residents of Donbass, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to seek protection from Russia was a natural result of the inhumane policy pursued by the Kiev regime.

The referendums took place in full conformity with the standards and principles of international law. The people of Donbass and the south of Ukraine exercised their lawful right to self-determination in accordance with the UN Charter, the 1966 international human rights covenants, the 1975 OCSE Helsinki Final Act, and the verdict of the UN International Court of Justice on Kosovo on July 22, 2010. The latter confirmed that the unilateral proclamation of independence by a part of a state does not violate any norms of international law.

International observers from Italy, Germany, Venezuela, Latvia and other countries (overall, 133 people) monitored the course of the referendums and recognised them as legitimate. We are grateful to foreign experts, bloggers, journalists and representatives of public organisations for their courage, integrity and objectivity.

In the near future, we will enter a critical stage in our joint efforts to translate into life the desire of the residents of the DPR, LPR, and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to be together with Russia."

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1831658/


29 Sep, 03:08

Ukrainian to be used on par with Russian in Kherson region — official

When asked about the status of the Crimean Tatar language, Eliseev said that he sees no problem with it, "if it is the will of the people of the Kherson region, the residents of the Kherson region"

KHERSON, September 28. /TASS/.

"The Ukrainian and Russian languages will be used equally in the Kherson Region, Sergey Eliseev, head of the regional government, told reporters on Wednesday.

"The Ukrainian language will be used on a par with the Russian language in the Kherson region, no doubt," he said.

When asked about the status of the Crimean Tatar language, Eliseev said that he sees no problem with it, "if it is the will of the people of the Kherson region, the residents of the Kherson region"."

Ukrainian to be used on par with Russian in Kherson region — official - World - TASS

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

#6264

I see your resolution and raise you:

United Nations Charter

Chapter XIV: The International Court of Justice

Article 92

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Article 93

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• A state which is not a Member of the United Nations may become a party to the Statute of the International Court of Justice on conditions to be determined in each case by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

Article 94

• Each Member of the United Nations undertakes to comply with the decision of the International Court of Justice in any case to which it is a party.
• If any party to a case fails to perform the obligations incumbent upon it under a judgment rendered by the Court, the other party may have recourse to the Security Council, which may, if it deems necessary, make recommendations or decide upon measures to be taken to give effect to the judgment.

Article 95

Nothing in the present Charter shall prevent Members of the United Nations from entrusting the solution of their differences to other tribunals by virtue of agreements already in existence or which may be concluded in the future.

Article 96

• The General Assembly or the Security Council may request the International Court of Justice to give an advisory opinion on any legal question.
• Other organs of the United Nations and specialized agencies, which may at any time be so authorized by the General Assembly, may also request advisory opinions of the Court on legal questions arising within the scope of their activities.

United Nations Charter (full text) | United Nations

I refer you to:

Originally Posted by OhOh

Latest developments | Accordance with international law of the unilateral declaration of independence in respect of Kosovo | International Court of Justice

Originally Posted by Shutree

That's nice of him.

See above.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Their one major economic advantage which they have squandered during Putin's reign is going to shrink exponentially over the next decade

The offers were made to the 16%, and were rejected.

There's a big world out there, full of people who want better lives.

You are underestimating the size of the 84% of the rest of the world. They will grow when they realise there is actual a different option on the table. The current leaders are the growing places of hope.

As for the 16%, they are tearing themselves apart in so many ways, as we see every day over such childish reasons. People used to move to the EU/west because they thought it was a "better" place. How's that turning out now, and the next few years? Their outlook is not good.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

there is nothing to replace it,

Russia is making more money just off it's energy sales than it was prior to sanctions. There are other items as well.

No lack of buyers so far.