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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    Maybe the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact could be used as a model.
    That worked out really well.
    ^It worked really well for the Russians... Thanks to that, at the end of the day, the Russians could beat Hitler and rescue the Europe from him.

    It was not so easy to manage after the "Munich Betrayal" the year before Munich Agreement - Wikipedia
    and the German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact - Wikipedia

    Both of the "clever" treaties had opened the way for Hitler to the East, giving him green light, not that anybody in Europe was much concerned of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    Top idea.
    Not that such a thing between decent folk should be necessary of course.
    Maybe the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact could be used as a model.
    That worked out really well.
    Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'

    Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'

    So if Britain and France agreed , there would have been no WW2 and no pact between the USSR and Germany.

    But Britain and France got greedy with ambition and rejected the idea. And they still ended up having to be allies with the USSR in the end. Massive fail on their part

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    Since Youtube is full of anti Putin documentaries , how about we see some unapologetically pro Putin documentary. This is the real deal pro Putin doc with English subtitles


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Since Youtube is full of anti Putin documentaries , how about we see some unapologetically pro Putin documentary. This is the real deal pro Putin doc with English subtitles
    The LORD has been at the helm of Russia for 21 years.

    His achievements within and without Russia are documented extensively.

    One wonders what would be posted, of the here today gone tomorrow "western leaders achievements", by our TD members in response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The LORD has been at the helm of Russia for 21 years.

    His achievements within and without Russia are documented extensively.
    Yes they are.

    The list is based on compilations by the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) and UNESCO. It contains only journalists whose killing was clearly politically motivated.
    It does not include the much larger group of journalists who were injured in violent attacks, fired from their jobs on Putin’s orders, imprisoned on trumped-up charges, or otherwise intimidated and silenced.
    A large number of journalists were killed by members of criminal gangs who were subcontracted by the FSB, Russia’s domestic security service. In some cases, the killer was brought to trial and spend a short time in jail before being released.
    2000
    · 10 February – Ludmila Zamana, Samara. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 9 March – Artyom Borovik, Sovershenno sekretno periodical and publishing house, director and journalist. Sheremetyevo-1 Airport, Moscow. Incident not confirmed.
    · 17 April – Oleg Polukeyev, Homicide.
    · 1 May – Boris Gashev, literary critic. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 16 July – Igor Domnikov, from Novaya Gazeta, Moscow. Struck over the head with a hammer in the stairwell of his Moscow apartment building, Domnikov was in a coma for two months. His murderer was identified in 2003 and convicted in 2007. The men who ordered and organized the attack have been named by his paper but not charged. Homicide.
    · 26 July – Sergei Novikov, Radio Vesna, Smolensk. Shot in a contract killing in stairwell of his apartment building. Claimed that he often criticized the administration of Smolensk Region. Homicide.
    · 21 September – Iskander Khatloni, Radio Free Europe, Moscow. A native of Tajikistan, Khatloni was killed at night in an axe attack on the street outside his Moscow apartment block. His assailant and the motive of the murder remain unknown. A RFE/RL spokeswoman said Khatloni worked on stories about the human-rights abuses in Chechnya. Homicide.
    · 3 October – Sergei Ivanov, Lada-TV, Togliatti. Shot five times in the head and chest in front of his apartment building. As director of largest independent television company in Togliatti, he was an important player on the local political scene. Homicide.
    · 18 October – Georgy Garibyan, journalist with Park TV (Rostov), murdered in Rostov-on-Don.
    · 20 October – Oleg Goryansky, freelance journalist, press & TV. Murdered in Cherepovets, Vologda Region. Conviction.
    · 21 October – Raif Ablyashev, photographer with Iskra newspaper. Kungur, Perm Region. Homicide.
    · 3 November – Sergei Loginov, Lada TV (Togliatti). Incident not confirmed.
    · 20 November – Pavel Asaulchenko, cameraman for Austrian TV, Moscow. Contract killing. Conviction of perpetrator.
    · 23 November – Adam Tepsurkayev, Reuters, Chechnya. A Chechen cameraman, he was shot at his neighbour’s house in the village of Alkhan-Kala (aka Yermolovka). Tepsurkayev filmed most of Reuters’ footage from Chechnya in 2000, including the Chechen rebel Shamil Basayev having his foot amputated. Homicide (war crime).
    · 28 November – Nikolai Karmanov, retired journalist. Lyubim, Yaroslavl Region. Homicide.
    · 23 December – Valery Kondakov, freelance photographer. Killed in Armavir, Krasnodar Region.
    2001
    · 1 February – Eduard Burmagin, Homicide.
    · 24 February – Leonid Grigoryev, Homicide.
    · 8 March – Andrei Pivovarov, Homicide.
    · 31 March – Oleg Dolgantsev, Homicide.
    · 17 May – Vladimir Kirsanov, chief editor. Kurgan, Urals Federal District. Homicide.
    · 11 September – Andrei Sheiko, Homicide.
    · 19 September – Eduard Markevich, 29, editor and publisher of local newspaper Novy Reft in Sverdlovsk Region. Shot in the back in a contract killing, homicide.
    · 5 November – Elina Voronova, Homicide.
    · 16 November – Oleg Vedenin, Homicide.
    · 21 November – Alexander Babaikin, Homicide.
    · 1 December – Boris Mityurev, Homicide.
    2002
    · 18 January – Svetlana Makarenko, Homicide.
    · 4 March – Konstantin Pogodin, Novoye Delo newspaper, Nizhni Novgorod. Homicide.
    · 8 March – Natalya Skryl, Nashe Vremya newspaper, Taganrog. Homicide.
    · 31 March – Valery Batuyev, Moscow News newspaper, Moscow. Homicide.
    · 1 April – Sergei Kalinovsky, Moskovskij Komsomolets local edition, Smolensk. Homicide.
    · 4 April – Vitaly Sakhn-Vald, photojournalist, Kursk. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 25 April – Leonid Shevchenko, Pervoye Chtenie newspaper, Volgograd. Homicide.
    · 29 April – Valery Ivanov, founder and chief editor of Tolyattinskoye Obozrenie newspaper, Samara Region. Contract killing.
    · 20 May – Alexander Plotnikov, Gostiny Dvor newspaper, Tyumen. Homicide.
    · 6 June – Pavel Morozov, Homicide.
    · 25 June – Oleg Sedinko, founder of Novaya Volna TV & Radio Company, Vladivostok. Contract killing, explosive in stairwell.
    · 20 July – Nikolai Razmolodin, general director of Europroject TV & Radio Company, Ulyanovsk. Homicide.
    · 21 July – Maria Lisichkina Homicide.
    · 27 July – Sergei Zhabin, press service of the Moscow Region governor. Homicide.
    · 18 August – Nikolai Vasiliev, Cheboksary city, Chuvashia. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 25 August – Paavo Voutilainen, former chief editor of Karelia magazine, Karelia. Homicide.
    · 20 September – Igor Salikov, head of information security at Moskovskij Komsomolets newspaper in Penza. Contract killing.
    · 2 October – Yelena Popova, Homicide. Conviction.
    · 19 October – Leonid Plotnikov Homicide. Conviction.
    · 21 December – Dmitry Shalayev, Kazan, Tatarstan. Homicide. Conviction.
    2003
    · 7 January – Vladimir Sukhomlin, Internet journalist and editor, Serbia.ru, Moscow. Homicide. Off-duty police convicted of his murder. Those behind the contract killing were not convicted.
    · 11 January – Yury Tishkov, sports commentator, Moscow. Contract killing.
    · 21 February – Sergei Verbitsky, publisher BNV newspaper. Chita. Homicide.
    · 18 April – Dmitry Shvets, TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting, Murmansk. Deputy director of the independent TV-21 station (Northwestern Broadcasting), he was shot dead outside the TV offices. Shvets’ colleagues said the station had received multiple threats for its reporting on influential local politicians. Contract killing.
    · 3 July – Yury Shchekochikhin, Novaya gazeta, Moscow. Deputy editor of Novaya gazeta and a Duma deputy since 1993. He died just a few days before his scheduled trip to United States to discuss the results of his journalist investigation with FBI officials. He investigated the Three Whales Corruption Scandal that allegedly involved high-ranking FSB officials. Shchekochikhin died from an acute allergic reaction. There has been much speculation about cause of his death. The investigation into his death has been opened and closed four times. Homicide.
    · 4 July – Ali Astamirov, France Presse. Went missing in Nazran.
    · 18 July – Alikhan Guliyev, freelance TV journalist, from Ingushetia. Moscow. Homicide.
    · 10 August – Martin Kraus, Dagestan. On way to Chechnya. Homicide.
    · 9 October – Alexei Sidorov, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye, Togliatti. Second editor-in-chief of this local newspaper to be murdered. Predecessor Valery Ivanov shot in April 2002.[87] Homicide. Supposed killer acquitted.
    · 24 October – Alexei Bakhtin, journalist and businessman, formerly Mariiskaya pravda. Homicide.
    · 30 October – Yury Bugrov, editor of Provincial Telegraph. Balakovo, Saratov Region. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 25 December – Pyotr Babenko, editor of Liskinskaya gazeta. Liski, Voronezh Region. Homicide.
    2004
    · 1 February – Yefim Sukhanov, ATK-Media, Archangelsk. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 2 May – Shangysh Mongush, correspondent with Khemchiktin Syldyzy newspaper. Homicide.
    · 9 June – Paul Klebnikov, chief editor of newly established Russian version of Forbes magazine, Moscow. Contract killing, alleged perpetrators put on trial and acquitted. Homicide.
    · 1 July – Maxim Maximov, journalist with Gorod newspaper, St Petersburg. Body not found. Homicide.
    · 10 July – Zoya Ivanova, TV presenter, Buryatia State Television & Radio Company, Ulan Ude, Buryatia. Homicide.
    · 17 July – Pail Peloyan, editor of Armyansky Pereulok magazine. Homicide.
    · 3 August – Vladimir Naumov, nationalist reporter, Cossack author (Russky Vestnik, Zavtra), Moscow Region. Homicide.
    · 24 August – Svetlana Shishkina, journalist, Kazan, Tatarstan. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 18 September – Vladimir Pritchin, editor-in-chief of North Baikal TV & Radio Company, Buryatia. Homicide.
    · 27 September – Jan Travinsky (St Petersburg), in Irkutsk as political activist for election campaign. Homicide. Conviction.
    2005
    · 31 August – Alexander Pitersky, Baltika Radio reporter, Saint Petersburg. Homicide.
    · 4 November – Kira Lezhneva, reporter with Kamensky rabochii newspaper, Sverdlovsk Region. Homicide. Conviction.
    2006
    · 8 January – Vagif Kochetkov, newly appointed Trud correspondent in the region, killed and robbed in Tula. Acquittal.
    · 26 February – Ilya Zimin, worked for NTV Russia television channel, killed in Moscow flat. Suspect in Moldova trial. Acquittal.
    · 4 May – Oksana Teslo, media worker, Moscow Region. Arson attack on dacha. Homicide.
    · 14 May – Oleg Barabyshkin, director of radio station, Chelyabinsk. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 23 May – Vyacheslav Akatov, special reporter, Business Moscow TV show, murdered in Mytyshchi Moscow Region. Killer caught and convicted. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 25 June – Anton Kretenchuk, cameraman, local Channel 38 TV, killed in Rostov-on-Don. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 25 July – Yevgeny Gerasimenko, journalist with Saratovsky Rasklad newspaper. Murdered in Saratov. Conviction.
    · 31 July – Anatoly Kozulin, retired freelance journalist. Ukhta, Komi. Homicide.
    · 8 August – Alexander Petrov, editor-in-chief, Right to Choose magazine Omsk, murdered with family while on holiday in Altai Republic. Under-age murderer charged and prosecuted. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 7 October – Anna Politkovskaya, commentator with Novaya Gazeta, Moscow, shot in her apartment building’s elevator; Four accused in contract killing, acquitted in February 2009.
    · 16 October – Anatoly Voronin, Itar-TASS news agency, Moscow. Homicide.
    · 28 December – Vadim Kuznetsov, editor-in-chief of World & Home. Saint Petersburg magazine, killed in Saint Petersburg. Homicide.
    2007
    · 14 January – Yury Shebalkin, retired journalist, formerly with Kaliningradskaya pravda. Homicide in Kaliningrad. Conviction.
    · 20 January – Konstantin Borovko, presenter of “Gubernia” TV company (Russian: ”Губерния”), killed in Khabarovsk. Homicide. Conviction.
    · 2 March – Ivan Safronov, military columnist of Kommersant newspaper. Died in Moscow, cause of death disputed. Incident not Confirmed. Investigation under Incitement to Suicide (Article 110).
    · 15 March – Leonid Etkind, director at Karyera newspaper. Abduction and homicide in Vodnik, Saratov Region. Conviction.
    · April – Marina Pisareva, deputy head of Russian office of German media group Bertelsmann was found dead at her country cottage outside Moscow in April.
    2008: Final Months of Putin as President*
    * Putin, who was elected president in 2000, could not run for a third consecutive term in 2008 (the term-limit law has been changed in a referendum two months ago, allowing Putin to remain in power until 2036). Putin switched places with his prime minister, Dimitry Medvedev, and from 2008 to 2012 Medvedev was a figure-head president while Putin continued to run Russia as the prime minister. Putin returned to the presidency in 2012.)
    · 8 February – Yelena Shestakova, former journalist, St Petersburg. Killer sent to psychiatric prison. Homicide.
    · 21 March – Gadji Abashilov, chief of Dagestan State TV & Radio Company VGTRK, shot in his car in Makhachkala. Homicide.
    · 21 March – Ilyas Shurpayev, Dagestani journalist covering Caucasus on Channel One, was strangled with a belt by robbers in Moscow. Alleged killers tracked to Tajikistan and convicted there of his murder. Homicide.
    · 13 November – Mikhail Beketov Beketov suffered brain damage and lost a leg after a brutal assault in 2008 following his reporting and campaign against a highway project in Moscow. He died five years later. Beketov wrote about corruption in Khimki, a town near the $8 billion highway. The founder and editor of a local newspaper, Beketov was among the first to raise the alarm about the destruction of the local forest and suspicions local officials were profiting from the project. In November 2008, Beketov was beaten so viciously that he was left unable to speak. He was in a coma for several months and spent more than two years in hospitals. His attackers were never found.
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    2008
    · 31 August – Magomed Yevloyev was shot dead while in police custody in Ingushetia. Yevloyev was the founder of the opposition website Ingushetia.org and was known for his regular criticism of Ingush President Murat Zyazikov. The police officer involved in the killing, Ibragim Yevloyev, was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to two years in prison.
    · 30 December – Shafig Amrakhov was shot and wounded by an unknown assailant at his apartment in Murmansk and later died in hospital. Amrakhov was the editor of the RIA 51 news agency and criticized the economic policies of Yuri Yevdokimov, the governor of Murmansk Oblast.
    2009
    · 4 January – Vladislav Zakharchuk died in a fire that engulfed a newspaper office in Vladivostok, Primorsky Krai. Zakharchuk was the advertisement manager for the newspaper Arsenyevskie Vesti. The newspaper was known for its criticism of the authorities in the krai and its chief editor and journalists have faced fines and imprisonment in the past.
    · 19 January – Stanislav Markelov was shot and killed by a masked gunman in Moscow alongside Anastasia Baburova. Markelov was a lawyer who worked with Novaya Gazeta and brought many cases against the Russian military, Chechen warlords, and neo-Nazi groups.
    · 19 January – Anastasia Baburova died alongside Stanislav Marekelov after being shot at in Moscow. Baburova was a journalist-in-training for Novaya Gazeta and was known for investigating neo-Nazi activity in Russia.
    · 30 March – Sergei Protazanov was found unconscious at his home in Khimki, Moscow Oblast, and later died in hospital. Authorities and relatives believed he was poisoned. Protazanov was the page designer for Grazhdanskoye Soglasiye, the only opposition newspaper in the city, and was seriously beaten by assailants a few days prior to his death.
    · 29 June – Vyacheslav Yaroshenko died of wounds he received from a severe beating by an unknown assailant in April in Rostov-on-Don, Rostov Oblast. Yaroshenko was the chief editor of the Korruptsiya i Prestupnost newspaper and prior to his beating, the newspaper published multiple articles alleging corruption in the Oblast’s government, police, and prosecutor’s office.
    · 15 July – Natalia Estemirova was abducted and then killed in Grozny, Chechnya. Her body was later found near Nazran, Ingushetia. Estemirova was a human rights activist for Memorial who worked with journalists of Novaya Gazeta and occasionally published in the newspaper herself. She was known for investigating murders and kidnappings in Chechnya and was a colleague of Anna Politkovskaya.
    · 11 August – Malik Akhmedilov was found shot dead near Makhachkala, Dagestan. Akhemdilov was the deputy chief editor of Khakikat and the chief editor of the Sogratl newspapers, which focused on civic and political issues in the republic.
    · 25 October – Maksharip Aushev was shot dead in Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria. Aushev worked on multiple human rights cases in neighboring Ingushetia and was the operator of Ingushetia.org following the death of Magomed Yevloyev in 2008.
    · 16 November – Olga Kotovskaya died after falling out of a window on the 14th-floor of a building in Kaliningrad. Authorities classified the death as suicide while colleagues believe she was murdered for her work. Kotovskaya was the co-founder of the Kaskad radio and television station, which was embroiled in an ownership lawsuit brought by Vladimir Pirogov, the former vice governor of Kaliningrad Oblast.
    2010
    · 20 January – Konstantin Popov died from a beating received by Russian police while in custody in Tomsk. Popov was the co-founder and director of the Tema newspaper and was allegedly tortured prior to his death.
    · 23 February – Ivan Stepanov was stabbed to death at his dacha in Khilok, Zabaykalsky Krai. Stepanov was a local correspondent for the Zabaikalsky rabochy newspaper and the author of three books that were popular in his district.
    · 20 March – Maxim Zuyev went missing and was later found murdered in a flat he was renting in Kaliningrad. Zuyev was a reporter for multiple newspapers in Kaliningrad Oblast and was a moderator for the Koenigsberg journalist society.
    · 25 July – Bella Ksalova was fatally injured and later died in hospital after being hit by a vehicle near her home in Cherkessk, Karachay-Cherkessia. Ksalova was a correspondent for the Caucasian Knot website and news agency and wrote highly critical articles of local authorities. The driver, Arsen Abaikhanov, plead guilty and was sentenced three years in a penal colony.
    · 1 August – Malika Betiyeva was killed along with four members of her family when a speeding vehicle hit hers on a highway in Chechnya. Betiyeva was the deputy chief editor of the Molodyozhnaya smena newspaper and a correspondent for Dosh magazine. She was known for writing about lawless behavior of government agencies in Chechnya and her worked had to be published under an assumed name for her own safety.
    · 6 November — Intrepid reporter Oleg Kashin was viciously beaten by two unidentified attackers outside his home in November 2010 and narrowly escaped death. He spent days in an induced coma with a fractured skull, and had one finger partially amputated. He survived and eventually recovered. Kashin has written on a wide range of social and political issues, some politically sensitive. Shortly after the attack, Kashin said he suspected then-Pskov governor Andrei Turchak to be behind the attempt on his life as a reaction to a critical post he wrote about him on his blog. Russia’s then-President Dmitry Medevdev at the time pledged to solve the attack. Kashin was originally full of praise for the investigators who appeared to be trying to find his attackers, but the probe stalled shortly afterward. Frustrated with the lack of progress in the investigation, Kashin conducted his own probe into the attack and several years later publicly accused Turchak of placing an order to cripple or kill him. Turchak has never been questioned, and has denied the accusations. He currently holds a senior post in the ruling pro-Kremlin party.
    2011
    · 15 December – Gadzhimurat Kamalov was shot six times in a drive-by shooting outside his newspaper’s office in Makhachkala, Dagestan. Kamalov owned the media company Svoboda Slova and was known for investigating corruption and rebel activity in the republic.
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    2012
    · 5 December – Kazbek Gekkiev was shot dead at a street in Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria, after receiving death threats from local extremists. Gekkiev worked for various local TV programs in the republic.
    2013
    · 9 July – Akhmednabi Akhmednabiyev was killed while driving just 50 metres from his house on the outskirts of Makhachkala, Dagestan, after receiving numerous death threats. Akhmednabiyev was the deputy editor of the newspaper Novoe Delo and regularly wrote about the politics of the republic and human rights issues in the North Caucasus. He was previously the victim of an assassination attempt back in January 2013.
    2014
    · 1 August – Timur Kuashev was abducted from his home and later found dead in Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria. Kuashev worked for the magazine Dosh and received death threats and was previously stopped by local police a number of times.
    2017
    · 17 March – Yevgeny Khamaganov died of unexplained causes in Ulan-Ude, Buryatia. Khamaganov was known for writing articles that criticized the federal government and was allegedly beaten by unknown assailants on 10 March.
    · 19 April – Journalist and former prisoner of conscience Nikolay Andrushchenko died in Saint Petersburg from wounds that he received from a severe beating by unknown assailants on 9 March. Andrushchenko was the co-founder of the newspaper Novy Petersburg and was previously jailed in 2009 by a city court for “libel and extremism”.
    · 24 May – Dmitry Popkov was found dead from gunshot wounds at a bathhouse close to his home in Minusinsk, Krasnoyarsk Krai. Popkov was the chief editor of the newspaper Ton-M and was known for investigating police corruption.
    2018
    · 15 April – Maksim Borodin died of injuries from falling out of a window at his apartment in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Oblast, on 12 April. Authorities classified the death as suicide while colleagues reject the notion. Borodin regularly wrote on crime, corruption, and the recent involvement of Russian mercenaries in Syria.
    · 23 July – Denis Suvorov was found dead after being stabbed by an unknown assailant in Nizhny Novgorod. Suvorov worked for the Vesti-Privolzhye television station and was an editor for the Vesti.Nizhny Novgorod internet portal.
    · 31 July – Sergei Grachyov went missing in Nizhny Novgorod on 21 July after taking a reporting trip there from Moscow. His body was found 11 days later. Grachuov worked for the Argumenty i Fakty newspaper.
    · 10 September – Yegor Orlov disappeared on 7 September after leaving for work in Naberezhnye Chelny, Tatarstan. His body was later found in a river in the Yelabuzhsky District. Orlov was a correspondent and presenter at Chelny REN-TV.



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    Let's hope it doesn't grant immunity to Parkinson's....

    Vladimir Putin Signs Bill Giving Russian Presidents Lifetime Immunity

    The bill, which was published online Tuesday, gives former presidents and their families immunity from prosecution for crimes committed during their lifetime.

    Vladimir Putin Signs Bill Giving Russian Presidents Lifetime Immunity

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    Russian democracy . . . copying China

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    People are so suspicious. Obviously just a pure coincidence that 118 Russian homicide victims happened to be journalists

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    None of the victims seem to have been poisoned with Novichok. Or did I miss something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    None of the victims seem to have been poisoned with Novichok. Or did I miss something?
    You're saying there is only one method available? Maybe you did miss something

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    None of the victims seem to have been poisoned with Novichok. Or did I miss something?
    I'm sorry sabang, but the snivelling Putin sycophant positions have already been filled.

    Can I suggest that you apply for the Head snivelling Kim Jong Un sycophant position? It seems Teakdoor has been unable to recruit suitable candidates for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It seems Teakdoor has been unable to recruit suitable candidates for that one.
    To be fair, Skidmark did apply . . . but he failed even at that

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    To be fair, Skidmark did apply . . . but he failed even at that
    Yes, if we ever need a fucking doorstop he'd be a shoo-in.

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    Kim Jong Un sycophant position?
    Gotta love his Beatles haircut.

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    One of the most common tropes against Russia is that critical (independent, democratic, etc) journalists there are dying like flies, presumably because of the “culture of impunity” created by Putin or even on his express orders. It is rarely mentioned that the statistical chances of a Russian journalist dying by homicide is an order of magnitude lower than in several countries widely recognized to be “democratic” such as Brazil, Mexico, Columbia, and the Philippines, or that – unlike Turkey or Israel (!) – Russia does not imprison any journalists on account of their professional work.

    To this end, I compiled a “Journalism Security Index” to get a more objective picture than the politicized rankings produced by outfits like Freedom House that put Russia on par with Zimbabwe.

    The graph above shows the numbers of journalists killed in Russia for every year since 1992 as compared with other “democratic” countries like Brazil, Mexico, India, and Colombia. As one can see, the situation has improved greatly in the past three years, with only one journalist (in Dagestan) getting killed in 2011; meanwhile, the situation in Mexico has deteriorated to levels unseen in Russia since the early 1990’s. Does this mean that Felipe Calderσn is the next Stalin? Or is it that he is just faced with a drugs war that is rapidly spiraling out of control?

    However, even this likely overstates the risks to Russian journalists, because there are simply a great many of them. According to the latest UN data, there were 102,300 newspaper journalists in Russia, far more than in Brazil (6,914) or India (16,079), and while data for the other two does not exist, I will assume that there are as many journalists per capita in Colombia (so 1,670) and three times as many in Mexico (13,027) as in Brazil.

    You can adjust the latter two figures within the bounds of plausibility but as you will see, this would not make a cardinal difference. So let’s start calculating annual homicides per 100,000 newspaper journalists (latest figure) – a rough but valid proxy for the general level of journalistic peril in any given country.

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    There were 41 journalists killed in Russia from 1992-1999, compared to 30 from 2000-2008, and 6 from 2009-today (of which 5 occurred in 2009). Does this then mean that Yeltsin, not Putin, was the real Stalin? Of course not. The journalist killings in the 1990’s were a product of the chaos and lawlessness of that time, much like the narco-related killings decimating the ranks of Colombian, Brazilian, and Mexican journalists today. As one can see from the graph above, killings of Russian journalists have always been substantially correlated with the overall homicide rate; the latter began to sustainably decline from the mid-2000’s, and from 2009, journalist killings appear to have followed suit.

    Why then does Russia have one of the lousiest reputations for journalist killings in the world?

    Let's turn to the Guardian’s coverage of the sole Russian journalist killed in the past three years – Khadzhimurad Kamalov, in Dagestan, 2011. The difference begins with the titles. What used to be “Four Mexican journalists murdered in last week” or Brazilian journalist and girlfriend kidnapped and murdered” now becomes “Truth is being murdered in Putin’s bloody Russia.” And it continues in the same vein, with rhetoric being substituted for facts: “Crimes against freedom bathed in slothful impunity”; “Inside Moscow, rulers who pay lip service to human rights parade only an indifference that makes them complicit in these crimes” (is Calderσn or Dilma Rousseff complicit in journalist killings in their countries?); “How many more, Mr Putin? How long are we supposed to mourn fellow journalists who died trying to tell us, and their fellow Russians, what a slack, slimy, savage state you run?”

    No further comment is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    To this end, I compiled a “Journalism Security Index” to get a more objective picture than the politicized rankings produced by outfits like Freedom House that put Russia on par with Zimbabwe.
    No you didn't; Anatoly Karlin did. You didn't even remember to post the shitty graph.




    Sorry about the mess. Shitty graph is shitty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The graph above shows the numbers of journalists killed in Russia for every year since 1992 as compared with other “democratic” countries like Brazil, Mexico, India, and Colombia.
    Wow. It's actually safer to be a journalist in Putin's Russia than in several other lawless hellholes*. Whoda thunkit?

    Russian Journalists Are Far Safer Than Mexican Journalists, Ordinary Russians, And Their Own Counterparts Under Yeltsin, by Anatoly Karlin - The Unz Review

    * Sometimes. Like, when all the decent journalists in Russia have recently been killed. If it's before June 2012. Which it isn't.
    Last edited by TheMadBaron; 26-12-2020 at 06:17 AM.

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    ^it was obvious enough that I wasn't claiming to have written that. I was just doing an info dump.

    Hell holes like Mexico ? Meaning the US's next door neighbor. Why doesn't the US try and clean up its own backyard ?

    Because Mexico is the US's North Korea. A junkyard dog failed state. Easier to manage that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I was just doing an info dump.
    You were doing it badly; failing to cite your source, and referencing a graph which you didn't post.

    Anybody can Google. If you're not going to contribute your own ideas, why bother to post?

    What point are you trying to make about Mexico, in comparison to Russia, with regard to the murder of journalists? Do you even know what point you're trying to make?
    Last edited by TheMadBaron; 26-12-2020 at 10:38 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    None of the victims seem to have been poisoned with Novichok. Or did I miss something?
    The Novichok (and/or polonium) is usually available outside of Russia. And not always of the first quality. And no return/guarantee policy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The Novichok (and/or polonium) is usually available outside of Russia. And not always of the first quality. And no return/guarantee policy...
    Interesting. And how, exactly, does Novichok (and/or polonium) being usually available outside of Russia relate to people in Russia not being killed by Novachok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    None of the victims seem to have been poisoned with Novichok. Or did I miss something?
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The Novichok (and/or polonium) is usually available outside of Russia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I was just doing a dump.
    Were you guys mentally subnormal when you got here, or does this forum have strange deletory effects on its members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    You were doing it badly; failing to cite your source, and referencing a graph which you didn't post.
    That's our Skidmark

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    What point are you trying to make about Mexico, in comparison to Russia, with regard to the murder of journalists? Do you even know what point ypou're trying to make?
    He simply doesn't know himself . . . but he'll double down, change his story, deviate and generally keep on keeping on

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    Were you guys mentally subnormal when you got here
    So, you've met Klondyke, but not his Mainland Chinese cousin OhOh . . . Skidmark/socal/Backspin is simply a wordier version of chico and sabang has oddly developed a Strongman-loving, anti-western streak lately

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    does this forum have strange deletory effects on its members?
    Yea, you've been here for over a decade . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    Were you guys mentally subnormal when you got here, or does this forum have strange deletory effects on its members?
    In their case I think it's a toss up between traumatic brain injury and an accident with the umbilical cord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    In their case I think it's a toss up between traumatic brain injury and an accident with the umbilical cord.
    Well in Sabangs case it could be long term excessive day drinking that has eaten away at his braincells. A decade or so back he was a mod and a well reasoned poster. Of late he seems to have jumped on the OhDoh and Klondyke bandwagon.

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