Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by sabang

Anyway, if I were Russian I'd still vote for Vlad.

The results of the last 30 years of the Russia's growth - from near bankruptcy with powerful "help" of others - to current level, that is speaking for all.

Compare with the last 30 years of other superpowers (I do not mean China) with the numerous leaders, each of them better than the one before....

("But I do not care what the facts are"....)

Originally Posted by panama hat

I doubt you'd find many, if any, that live in Thailand that would swap to living in Vladivostok or Shenzhen even though Thailand is far from a democracy. I'd include OhOh and Klondye it that - they talk the talk but would never walk the walk

The silence is deafening...and most uncharacteristic.

Originally Posted by panama hat

I doubt you'd find many, if any, that live in Thailand that would swap to living in Vladivostok or Shenzhen even though Thailand is far from a democracy.

Originally Posted by cyrille

The silence is deafening...and most uncharacteristic.

What's the logic in this comparison? And you forgot to mention NK...

Or do you want to ask why the zillions of the US citizens (and of other developed countries) reside in Thailand - and in other undeveloped countries, many in the former Eastern Bloc countries?

PH stop triggering pinky and perky will you FFS.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

PH stop triggering pinky and perky will you FFS.

Bill and Ben, stop smoking "Little Weed" FFS.

Otherwise "Dan the potato man" will make another epic entrance and "Slowcoach" will be utilised fully.

People generally vote with their feet which countries seem most appealing.

What is the net cross migration from Western psuedo-democracies to Eastern proto-autocracies (including Russia)?

Not a lot of people migrating to China, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria, North Korea etc... Conversely, hundreds of thousands going the other way.

Australia, the USA, the UK, Germany, France, NZ etc etc etc ...

Yes, I wonder which system is preferred, 'pseudo' or not

^I inserted psuedo because I feel they are more like corporate oligarchies with minor, but sometimes significant, input from "the people".

It's a sliding scale, IMO, with the socialist democracies being better off than the laissez faire capitalist democracies overall.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

I inserted psuedo because I feel they are more like corporate oligarchies with minor, but sometimes significant, input from "the people".

Surely you're not lumping them all together as that may apply to some, but not all/many

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

It's a sliding scale, IMO, with the socialist democracies being better off than the laissez faire capitalist democracies overall.

Right, but that doesn't change that almost no-one is emigrating from the 'west' or other nations to China, Russia, Bulgaria, N Korea etc...

You mean social democracies, as in social democrats as the ruling party . . . which countries would you include in either?

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

What is the net cross migration from Western psuedo-democracies to Eastern proto-autocracies (including Russia)?

Actually, the Russia ranks the world's 2nd immigration.

Perhaps not all from the "Western psuedo-democracies", not everybody keen on the harsh conditions, having to work hard. Better to move to Thailand where they can have an easy life with new wife (almost). And can afford a stone house and the electric power 240 V brought by concrete poles...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Perhaps not all from the "Western psuedo-democracies", not everybody keen on the harsh conditions, having to work hard. Better to move to Thailand where they can have an easy life with new wife (almost). And can afford a stone house and the electric power 240 V brought by concrete poles...

You forgot to mention your swimming pool..

^Yes, quite difficult to make use of it throughout the whole year in Moscow...

I'm pretty sure vlad has a heated pool.

Originally Posted by sabang

I'm pretty sure vlad has a heated pool.

He surely can afford it. I remember many years ago how we were said that also Saddam had a heated swimming pool, and not just one. One of the reasons that he was invaded. Similarly, we heard about the former dictator Yanukovich in Ukraine, he even had one with golden faucets.

Wondering why leaders from other "advance" countries cannot afford to have something like this, why they live in such modest conditions...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

What's the logic in this comparison?

Do you have yourself on 'ignore'?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Actually, the Russia ranks the world's 2nd immigration.

Source, please.

^Look by yourself, ever heard about googling? Just enter the correct search key, with your English surely no problem. Wondering, usually you know about everything, don't you?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Actually, the Russia ranks the world's 2nd immigration.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Source, please.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

^Look by yourself, ever heard about googling?

You really are dim . . . and a massive liar

Originally Posted by Klondyke

^Look by yourself, ever heard about googling? Just enter the correct search key, with your English surely no problem. Wondering, usually you know about everything, don't you?

JHC, you post up unsubstantiated bullshit and then when called on it do the funky monkey.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You really are dim . . . and a massive liar

True indeed.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Klondyke
Actually, the Russia ranks the world's 2nd immigration.

Originally Posted by panama hat
Source, please.

Originally Posted by Klondyke
^Look by yourself, ever heard about googling?

You really are dim . . . and a massive liar

Which countries have the most immigrants? | World Economic Forum

Also -

“A comparison of quarterly data shows that, firstly, the current year’s first-quarter arrivals number was the highest in the last decade,” the RANEPA study’s authors Nikita Mkrtchyan and Yulia Florinskaya wrote, citing official data.A migrant population increase of 98,000 in January-April 2019 looks like “an anomaly” compared to a migrant population growth of 57,100 during the same period of 2018, according to RANEPA’s analysis.
Underestimated 2018 migrant population growth figures or a new methodology for compiling data could explain the surge this year, the authors said in research published Tuesday.
Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Tajikistan have been the largest sources of migrants to Russia this year, the study said.

Supplying dodgy numbers and ex-Soviet states moving for work and then returning . . . not quite the real stats of emigrating and staying, becoming PRs or citizens.

Russia’s migrant numbers have declined by the highest amount in the post-Soviet period last year as the country grapples with its own population crisis, the Vedomosti business daily reported on Monday.For the first time in a decade, migration has been unable to cancel out Russia’s population decline. Faced with the need for up to 300,000 additional people to reach net-zero growth every year, the Kremlin reportedly plans to attract up to 10 million Russian-speaking migrants by 2025.

NEWSKremlin Seeks Russian-Speaking Migrants to Offset Population Decline

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A total of 124,900 foreigners arrived in Russia last year, according to research from the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (RANEPA) institute of social analysis and forecast cited by Vedomosti.

While arrivals declined by 4 percent between 2017 and 2018, departures skyrocketed by 16.9 percent, the institute said. Ukraine and Uzbekistan, formerly Russia’s largest migrant-donor countries, accounted for the biggest declines.

Numbers look bad for mother Russia, tovarish? Easy - fudge them. Make them look good.

This is even from your Moscow Times

Russia’s Migrant Numbers Hit Record Low in 2018 - The Moscow Times

What a shithole Russia is:

Record Number of Russians Want to Emigrate – Gallup

A record one-fifth of Russians would like to leave the country if they could, a threefold increase from five years ago, the Gallup pollster said Thursday.
Public polling inside Russia has indicated in recent years that between 17 and 20 percent of Russians were willing to migrate. Official data, which has been criticized for downplaying immigration figures, says Russia’s emigration numbers have reached a six-year record.

NEWSOfficial Data Vastly Underestimates Russian Emigration – Report

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In Gallup's 2018 poll, 20 percent of Russian respondents saidthey would like to leave Russia if they could.
The share of Russians seeking to move permanently to another country had never passed Gallup’s 17-percent high in 2007, the U.S. pollster’s results say. However, this number has grown steadily over the past five years, tripling from 7 percent in 2014 to 20 percent in 2018.
An “unprecedented” 44 percent of young Russians between ages 15 and 29 voiced the desire to leave.
Gallup tracked a direct correlation between changes in Russians’ migratory mood and President Vladimir Putin’s approval ratings, noting that “he may be at least partly to blame” for the latest record.
Russian respondents named Germany or the United States as their most-desired destinations at 15 and 12 percent respectively. Japan, Canada and Spain shared the third spot, with 5 percent of hopeful immigrants each.

Record Number of Russians Want to Emigrate – Gallup - The Moscow Times

Almost half of Russians between 15 and 29 want to emigrate, flee the Russian shithole.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You mean social democracies, as in social democrats as the ruling party . . . which countries would you include in either?

Not the party, the system. Socialist democracies provide strong safety nets for their citizens, whereas countries with weak protections I would deem laissez faire democracies.