Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by panama hat

^ Why do you deflect?

Because he sees HoHo doing it all the time and thinks it's clever, because he's HoHo's fawning little puppy.

Originally Posted by OhOh

ln a defensive mode only, or do you have some offensive examples to share with us.

Syria . . . to name just one

Ukraine

Chechnya


Need I go on?

That, OhOh, is what you call being pwned

Originally Posted by OhOh

Here is wiki's list:

Originally Posted by OhOh

List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia

Yea, didn't need that to bolster my point as you did it all by yourself

^Syria is a defensive operation. Vs Sunni Islamic Jihadists, many foreign.
Ukraine also, albeit two pronged- the overwhelming Referendum victory in Crimea, and the rather messy low grade in Russian east Ukraine, following the coup.
Chechnya- a war vs Islamic separatists and notorious gangsters.

Putin comes across as the good guy. I'm getting all gooey.

Originally Posted by sabang

^Syria is a defensive operation. Vs Sunni Islamic Jihadists, many foreign.

That's an American ideal - I doubt that Syria or the other groups pose a danger to mother Russia

Originally Posted by sabang

Putin comes across as the good guy. I'm getting all gooey.

That's close to being creepy

Originally Posted by panama hat

Need I go on?

No point.

The list is of wars involving Russia, no breakdown into offensive or defensive.

I can see we disagree on the definition of "defensive use of ones military".

Originally Posted by panama hat

I doubt that Syria or the other groups pose a danger to mother Russia

The "other groups" are being and will be redeployed, by their backers, wherever it is deemed appropriate to extend the fictitious "War on Terror".

How many of the "other groups", have the governments of OZ, NZ or Malaysia offered "safe haven" to?

Originally Posted by OhOh

How many of the "other groups", have the governments of OZ, NZ or Malaysia offered "safe haven" to?

How about you stay on topic for a change instead of deflecting in your usual manner?

Originally Posted by sabang

Chechnya- a war vs Islamic separatists and notorious gangsters.

However, not so righteous war that has been progressing now in Afghanistan, Iraq, not to mention the many ones before (also utmost righteous), chai mai?

The other thing you can do when you have an iron grip on the country and have hand picked your lawmakers:

Russian President Vladimir Putin laid out a path Tuesday to staying in power after 2024, as lawmakers approved sweeping reforms to the constitution.

\In a surprise address to the lower house State Duma, Putin said there could be a presidential "reset" allowing him to run after his current term expires.

"
This would be possible... if the constitutional court rules such an amendment would not go against (the constitution)," he said.

Putin appeared before the Duma after lawmakers proposed a series of amendments to a package of constitutional reforms he announced in January.

Among them was an amendment annulling previous presidential terms -- effectively allowing Putin to run again after his current six-year term ends in 2024.

"These amendments are long overdue, they are needed, and I am sure they will be useful for society, for our citizens," 67-year-old Putin told lawmakers.

Putin lays out path to staying in power | AFP.com

"Useful for society, for our citizens" = "Fucking great for me and fuck anyone who opposes me".

If he's the great Russian patriot he claims, he should be thinking about succession. Look at Tito before him- once he kicked the bucket, Yugoslavia disintegrated.

I agree

You always make me lough

Originally Posted by panama hat

Syria . . . to name just one

Ukraine

Chechnya


Need I go on?

That, OhOh, is what you call being pwned



Yea, didn't need that to bolster my point as you did it all by yourself

Why they do not learn from others where they have every 4, 8 years a new one who will make the country great again?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Why they do not learn from others where they have every 4, 8 years a new one who will make the country great again?

Because snarky, sophomoric deflection doesn't belong in a mature discussion. But yes, why don't they learn from others

Originally Posted by panama hat

How about you stay on topic for

Try discussing the on topic opinions posted, rather cowering behind such a flimsy defences.

The topic is the fate/human rights .... of the "millions of women and children", allegedly.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

every 4, 8 years a new one

Originally Posted by panama hat

why don't they learn from others

Much more "democratic" to hand the reins down to one's groomed wife, son, daughter .... or simply promise obedience to those that matter.

Originally Posted by sabang

he should be thinking about succession.

If the parliament offers the opportunity, which it appears to posses, to change the Russian constitution, stand for re-election against all competitors, .... the Russian voters will decide. There is an opportunity for others to participate.

Or the hidden hand of the counting machines/humans/assassins/corrupt grandees/zillionaires.

As "others", elsewhere, portray as democracy.

Originally Posted by sabang

If he's the great Russian patriot he claims, he should be thinking about succession. Look at Tito before him- once he kicked the bucket, Yugoslavia disintegrated.

"Great Russian patriot" = "Murderous thieving ex-spook".

Originally Posted by panama hat

But yes, why don't they learn from others

...how to run down the country and the trustful world either within the same 30 years...

Perhaps, he should listen to the wise ladies serving in the high positions (in case they really said it, who would believe it)
(another lady in such position mad much worse remarks about Mr.P.)

That Madeleine Albright, former U.S. Secretary of State, said that it is not fair that Russia possesses such vast natural resources. Variants of the quotes attributed to her include:

“How is it fair if a territory like Siberia belongs to only one country?”

and

“It is terribly unfair for Russia to have so much of the world’s natural resources.”

Source: Various media including Kommersant and Rossiiskaya Gazeta
FALSE
...unless you believe in mind-reading

There is no record that Albright ever made such a remark, and she has denied ever saying it. But for roughly a decade the former U.S. Secretary of State’s alleged designs on Siberia’s resource wealth have been repeated as fact by Russian media outlets, bloggers, and some top officials, including National Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev last year, children’s rights ombudsman Pavel Astakhov in 2013, and Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin in 2012.

The claim has come up at two of President Vladimir Putin’s big set-piece annual events. In 2007, when asked about it in his annual call-in program, Putin said he was “not familiar with Mrs Albright’s statement, but I know some politicians have ideas like this in their heads.” And at his December 2014 annual press conference, Putin said Moscow had often heard officials say that “It is unfair that all of Siberia and its vast resources belong to Russia,” before implying that those officials were American. (Video at around the 37-minute mark)

The Siberia remark is often rolled out as evidence of a U.S. plan to weaken Russia in order to seize its resources. Sometimes it’s attributed not to Albright, but to a more recent U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice -- or simply to the United States, as when Patrushev said in January that Washington “believes that Russia possesses [its mineral resources] undeservingly.”

Did Madeleine Albright Ever Covet Siberia?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Try discussing the on topic opinions posted, rather cowering behind such a flimsy defences.

It's good that you're 'talking' to yourself, though a bit worrying

It's the type of forum conversation method.

Nothing can replace sitting in some comfy chairs with a table, beers or not, for the ultimate conversation.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Nothing can replace sitting in some comfy chairs with a table, beers or not, for the ultimate conversation.

Cannot disagree with you on that

Originally Posted by Klondyke

“How is it fair if a territory like Siberia belongs to only one country?”

The bitch found it fair to indirectly kill 500000 children in Iraq

"It was worth it"

^And another "worth" she got materialized for herself in Kosovo...