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    Brisbane Courier Mail is reporting that Vietnam is withdrawing its arial search and largely scaling back its sea search as it now also believes that Malasia needs to come clean regarding information it is not releasing. China is also becoming irate with Malasia. There are many reports from fisherman and villagers on the ground that a plane flying very close to the ground between 1am and 1-45am travelling in the opposite direction of the designated flight, ie returning to KL area. Lights as big as coconuts etc. I am leaning towards this being a more accurate version of what has occurred out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
    Flukes logic here is sound......and the most basic flight training has been overlooked......Assuming they had a sudden massive electrical failure.... Rule 1...fly the aircraft manually.
    mmm...the 777 is fly by wire........how you gonna fly it with no electrics?
    TROY you are right if a total electrical failure, however if all communications and transponder power supplies were say isolated by pulling the breakers, due to smoke or suspected fire in the panel, fly by wire would have separate circuits with backup, so it may still be possible to fly with glass panel dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AVVICI View Post
    The problem with the hijacking theory is that the passengers didn't get in contact with anyone.

    In this day and age, even if there were armed gunman, I would be shocked that no one got out a text, an e-mail, a call, a tweet, or anything. The fact that there was nothing sent out either means it was something so slow and gradual that no one noticed anything was amiss, or so sudden that there wasn't anytime to react.

    Bizarre. After 9/11 aren't planes equipped with a hijack button?
    If the planes wing tip broke off and the plane rolled and dived , the passengers would have experienced G-force and the oxygen masks would have been deployed and worn , dont think people would remove the masks just to make a phone call .
    The ride would have been bumpy, rendering the people unable to text ,

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    Based on a known existing problem with the 777

    MH370 - what happened

    Slow decompression.

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    From the above link:-


    My recommendation to the NTSB
    I sent this email to Peter Knudson (Media Relations) at the NTSB, and he will consider if its worthy of forwarding onto investigators.

    At the end of this email, I’ve listed sensible and low-cost recommendations to best aid recovery efforts.
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    Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?

    A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777
    Federal Register, Volume 78 Issue 187 (Thursday, September 26, 2013)
    SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for
    certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was
    prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the
    satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD
    would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and
    doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of
    contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if
    necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and
    corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression
    and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.
    Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based - GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion.
    A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.
    Chain of events:
    Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems.
    Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.
    If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)
    Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots.
    (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)
    With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS.
    Other thoughts:
    The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know).
    This explains why 19 families signed a statement alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.
    When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.
    Note: 777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.
    Conclusion:
    This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.
    The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone. [UPDATE: Basically, it could be “anywhere”, and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.]
    Recommendations:
    • Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft. Per the latest reported news, the Straight of Malacca is a possibility.
    • Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google.
    • Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator.
    • Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space.

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    1. There is only one point which is 100% their last position.
    2. There is no concrete evidence to suggest they flew anywhere else.

    THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE YOU DUMB SHITS, INCREASE YOUR SEARCH IN THAT AREA, GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA RELATING TO THE MOST LIKELY CAUSES OF THE ACCIDENT AND WHERE THAT WOULD PLACE THE PLANE IN THAT AREA IT WAS 100% LAST CONFIRMED TO BE.

    I think they may have had a rudder malfunction like a few 737's had a couple of decades ago. The rudder malfunctioned and they veered to the left as the last position suggests. They then went into a steep dive possibly making it look like they were turning around and plummeted into the ocean.
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    ^ This has some substance and has been reportedly touched upon by both newspapers I read online

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    Yeah, the Helios crash was the one I'm thinking of.
    Two issues.
    If the autopilot took it into China, the Chinese air defense would have picked it up and scrambled for a large non squarking plane.
    On Helios, a steward was awake using emergency bottled air, but couldn't revive the pilots or use the radio. Is it possible a steward knew enough to reset the auto pilot to KL, but not enough to take the plane down below 10k or use the radio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector View Post
    1. There is only one point which is 100% their last position.
    2. There is no concrete evidence to suggest they flew anywhere else.

    THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE YOU DUMB SHITS, INCREASE YOUR SEARCH IN THAT AREA, .
    Although the plane could have flown anywhere if it was flying undetected .
    The plane could have flown for five hours in any direction undetected .
    There are numerous countries , boats and planes searching , it would be a bit stupid if they all looked in the same place

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    Day 6 and no word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector View Post
    1. There is only one point which is 100% their last position.
    2. There is no concrete evidence to suggest they flew anywhere else.

    THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE YOU DUMB SHITS, INCREASE YOUR SEARCH IN THAT AREA, .
    Although the plane could have flown anywhere if it was flying undetected .
    The plane could have flown for five hours in any direction undetected .
    There are numerous countries , boats and planes searching , it would be a bit stupid if they all looked in the same place
    Fluke I totally understand what you are saying but there is no evidence to suggest they went anywhere else. This is not the middle of the ocean, this is an extremely busy shipping and aviation area. It is so hard to believe that they just went undetected or they flew beneath the radar. They should start and concentrate on what they know and leave the hypothetical theories to forums like this. Yes maybe have a dozen or so people working on other theories and maybe get some planes out looking into those theories but search the area where the plane was 100% last confirmed to be by numerous sources.

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    The Malaysian airforce may have spotted an aircraft coming into its airspace from nowhere, not realising that it was a passenger jet , couldnt identify it or communicate with it and so shot it down

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    Reckon MtD was on to something re his mention of Rolls Royce tracking engine performance ... either that or he is freelancing for New Scientist these days

    Flight MH370 sent engine data before vanishing

    The missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER sent at least two bursts of technical data back to the airline before it disappeared, according to the New Scientist magazine.
    New Scientist claims that the maker of the missing jet's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from the now missing flight at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, England, where it reportedly keeps real-time monitors on its engines in use.
    Source: Malaysia Airlines missing plane sent engine data before vanishing - Yahoo!7


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    The Malaysian airforce may have spotted an aircraft coming into its airspace from nowhere, not realising that it was a passenger jet , couldnt identify it or communicate with it and so shot it down
    Definitely possible, this is why they are being so protective of information and issuing misinformation. This whole investigation stinks of something. Those poor passengers and relatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector
    Definitely possible
    keep listening to fluke - it gives us a good giggle

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector
    Definitely possible
    keep listening to fluke - it gives us a good giggle
    At least he is contributing unlike you, who just seems to sit there and pick at peoples posts. If you don't have a genuine interest in this tradegy then get ya coat.

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    Frankly with all the nonsense it might be an idea for someone to check the runway and make sure the plane did take off. It could still be waiting for clearance.

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    I'm quite convinced they know something they are not telling.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector
    Definitely possible
    keep listening to fluke - it gives us a good giggle
    I was giving a possibility of what may have happened .
    You are quite welcome to give reasons as to why the possible scenario given was improbable .

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    All very strange indeed, no aircraft buff, but planes are like light house in radio frequencies,transponders, Id signals, company coms, in flight phones.

    For a plane to go dark, it's dead, or someone with the knowledge switched things off.
    9/11 hijackers switched the transponders off, good guess look or the last electronic/radio signal and look around there. Jim

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    CSI/TD, like the rest of the world, is at this point simply speculating given the facts as known. It does not appear that the stolen passports were a factor. There is no evidence that the fact that one of the co-pilots tried to get laid 27 months ago with some blond bimbo was a factor. The last transmission on their scheduled flight path was "Ok, g'night then". Hardly a panic call.

    And then it just vanished.........

    And has stayed vanished going into Day Five.......

    Nobody knows more than what has been all over the press..............other than, in my opinion, the Malaysians - who ain't talking.

    There are no credible reports that the plane turned back, turned around, did a back flip or was breakdancing.

    If it went down over land in that area, I can't believe nobody noticed.....

    Thus, I think smart money is that it was on the scheduled flight path and some major catastrophe caused it to plummet to the ocean, in one - or a million - pieces.

    I lean towards it going down in one or more very large pieces. Otherwise, there would have been a much higher probability of visible debris.

    So, I reckon it's down there on the ocean floor, somewhere around the scheduled flight path.

    But, that's just speculation...................

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    ^ I agree, Malacca Straits indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowspole View Post
    Based on a known existing problem with the 777

    MH370 - what happened

    Slow decompression.

    Some good stuff here, Gallowspole...

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    Would appear that the Malaysian Government is going out of it's way to make itself look totally incompetent.

    BBC news reports, air force denies it tracked the plane turning back, but search are as grown again.

    Malaysia had requested assistance from India in searching areas near the Andaman Sea, India's foreign ministry said.

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