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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Tony Abbot said the Malaysian govt knew in the first week that it was murder suicide
    No he didn't say that.
    "almost certain" is what he said and that is as close you get until the plane is found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    No he didn't say that.
    "almost certain" is what he said and that is as close you get until the plane is found.
    Utter nonsense. Parts of MH370 have been found and the parts tell EVERYTHING

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    First. Larry Vance's credentials.

    Larry Vance has spent a lifetime in aviation. His background as a training pilot, flight test examiner, and civil aviation inspector led to a career as a professional accident investigator.

    He was Investigator-In-Charge for over 200 field investigations. He was also the deputy leader in the Swissair 111 crash investigation, for which he received a Government of Canada Certification of Recognition. He also received the prestigious Government of Canada Merit Award for writing the Transportation Safety Board of Canada's Manual of Investigation Operations.

    The official investigation is saying that the aircraft hit the water at high speed. Like Swiss air 111. The problem with that is, the Swiss air aircraft broke in 2 million small pieces. Every part of the aircraft including the wings, was pulverized into small piece by the impact of the water. Nothing hollow can retain its shape because the air inside the hollow part is pushed by the water until the part, whether fuselage or wings, explode. So there is no way a piece of the wing would surface and survive intact from a high speed hit.



    Anyway, the first thing to know when you ditch an aircraft is that the landing gear stays up. The engines are the first thing to hit the water. They are designed to break off. Well one of the pieces that was found is an engine faring.

    The second thing that hits the water is the flaperons. And in a controlled ditching, they are manually deployed and can only be manually deployed. This is evident from the damage that the flaperon has on the outward edge. Also, the fairing above the LEFT wing flaperon was also found. Obviously this was dislodged because of the leverage that the water was putting on that flaperon.



    The third thing that happens when you ditch an aircraft is one of the wings will eventually hit the water as it will not balance equally. In this case the right wing hit first (the intact flaperon is the right side). With the forward momentum, the wings leverage starts to push the wing structure into the fuselage and crush everything in between. Damage from this effect is called compression fractures. The right side flaperon that was found and the wing flap both have compression fractures. This action is actually what caused the flaperon to be dislodged from the aircraft in the first place.

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    You are freaking nuts. This thread proves that. But proves diddly about how the flight crashef

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    But proves diddly about how the flight crashef
    I'm going with into the sea.

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    Coincidentally, I'm currently working with an old Norwegian mate who worked on the Seabed Constructor during the search for MH370 and he's told me some interesting stuff.

    But I can't say anything.

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    ^ we can wait until that box of wine is in you.

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    I daresay that after ditching the aircraft in the middle of nowhere in the Southern ocean, the captain may have briefly felt a tad silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    Coincidentally, I'm currently working with an old Norwegian mate who worked on the Seabed Constructor during the search for MH370 and he's told me some interesting stuff.

    But I can't say anything.
    Oh come on, by saying that you have already said A. Now give us the B!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    You are freaking nuts. This thread proves that. But proves diddly about how the flight crashef
    When the 4 things that float to shore 18 months later are an engine cowling , a right side flaperon (with compression fractures) and both flaperon farings, you know it was a ditched aircraft.

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    i've already read 1 book on MH370 and i just ordered Larry Vances book. I am a MH370 nerd.

    I stayed up all night watching this. These guys basically came to the same conclusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    ^ we can wait until that box of wine is in you.

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    Its nice to watch professional airmen talk about this instead of all the internet pseudo experts.

    See the big darker blue circle on the map ? That is the Malaysian military radar. Everyone knows that the pilot shut off the transponder. But what is less known is that the pilot actually shut off all the electrical power and ran the jet on the *RAT while he was inside the military radar and turned the power back on just as he exited the radar beam.



    *The Boeing 777 is equipped with three hydraulic systems. ... Under emergency conditions hydraulic power is generated by the ram air turbine (RAT) which is deployed automatically and drives an Eaton variable dis- placement inline pump. The RAT pump provides flow to the center system flight controls.

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    That's the first I've heard of this woman's reported sighting.

    A possible crash-site for flight MH370 has been identified after the plane vanished over the South Indian Ocean in 2014. The Malaysia Airlines jet had been flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on-board when it disappeared on air traffic control radar screens. Pieces of the plane then later washed ashore in the western Indian Ocean, while the passengers and crew are all assumed to be dead.

    Four aviation experts now believe the plane may have crashed in the ocean within 100 nautical miles of the coordinates S34.2342 and E93.7875. In a study, Dr Victor Iannello, Bobby Ulich, Richard Godfrey and Andrew Banks examined 2,300 possible paths the flight could have taken in order to identify the most likely crash-site.

    They also developed a model which examined every part of the plane, including fuel data, military and civilian radar data, weather information and drift analysis of the debris which washed ashore. Their report declares the most probable flight path to be around 100 nautical miles to the west of Banda Aceh, on the island of Sumatra, in Indonesia.


    The research also takes in account a possible sighting of the plane by a woman named Kate Tee, who was on a sailboat southeast of Great Nicobar Island and northwest of Sumatra. She described seeing a ‘large aircraft coming towards her from the north, flying at an unusually low altitude’, the report stated.

    It is not known why the MH370 crashed, but investigators have previously suggested it may have been a ‘murder-suicide’ by the pilot. Data examined by experts suggested the pilot had been ‘in control [of the plane] until the very end’. Other evidence revealed there had been ‘some abnormal turns made by the 777 can only be done manually’.


    Underwater searches for the plane were called off in 2018 and there is not <sic> indication that they will resume again in the future.
    Read more: MH370 experts ‘find crash site' in breakthrough to find missing flight | Metro News
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    Oh...

    The 41-year-old, who spent 13 months at sea, said she did not report the incident at the time because she was having marital issues and thought she might be going mad.

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