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    Ok, I'll bite.

    The search vessel wasn't equipped with a drilling rig, ENT

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    a "soft" landing at low speed?
    Stall speed is at least 104 knots which is very close to 120 mph. Not exactly soft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
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    a "soft" landing at low speed?
    Stall speed is at least 104 knots which is very close to 120 mph. Not exactly soft.
    Far softer than at high impact speed of almost twice that, the plane could have simply been gliding, as speculated.

    Then there was also a final "partial handshake" signal from the plane to INMARSAT, at 8:19 am 09/03/2014, ...8 minutes after all other signals were received. Cause so far undetermined, but speculated on.

    When looking at the plane debris evidence, there's no evidence of high speed collision with water, no crumpling or twisting, or other multi-impact forms of damage as seen in secondary force impact. ie. as in a pile up.

    It appears as though the plane was travelling at such low speed that it remained largely intact after coming to rest on the sea surface, bearing in mind that sea and weather conditions appear to have been ideal for a ditching at dawn with wind from the East at 10 knots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    Nonsense it ain't, potty mouth.
    Read a little further than your approved of right wing business blurbs and propaganda that you're told to believe, and you might, just might read something unbiased, often common knowledge, something that you're apparently unaware of, let alone capable of understanding.

    Yes, harry,....oil, the reason for the great Oz search.
    Answer the question, muppet.
    What whackjob website did you get this looney tunes shite from?
    Who the fwk d'you think you are, drongo?
    Do your own research. You're working in the sandpit, go ask the geologists there, or if you can't go google.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Ok, I'll bite.
    The search vessel wasn't equipped with a drilling rig, ENT
    Why would it be?

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    Don't be purposely obtuse.

    To look for oil, as you claimed....turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Don't be purposely obtuse.

    To look for oil, as you claimed....turkey.
    For your information, maggot brain, the rig moves in after geologists have pin-pointed likely sources of oil. The rig doesn't go willy-nilly sailing around then have a dig, then move on without some very determined assessment's made by geological survey, long before test bores are drllled.



    For comparison:
    Oz search area;






    The above map shows the area where potential oilfields may exist in "basins" offshore of Western Australia.

    The Oz search is concentrated along Broken Ridge the southern edge of a large shelf, the Naturaliste Plateau, marked on the map as a potential oil and gas field




    Diagram (stratigraphy) indicating depths of oil and gas reserves of the Southern Perth basin, WA.


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    OOOH ! ENT has posted CHARTS !

    Does that make him all knowledgeable ??

    No.....that makes him a pretentious twit.

    Geologists take samples before creating charts. And the survey ships had sonar, not machinery to take continual samples from the ocean floor.

    You complete turkey, ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    OOOH ! ENT has posted CHARTS !

    Does that make him all knowledgeable ??

    No.....that makes him a pretentious twit.

    Geologists take samples before creating charts. And the survey ships had sonar, not machinery to take continual samples from the ocean floor.

    You complete turkey, ENT.
    He's getting all this crap off some conspiracy theory website.

    He doesn't actually understand how stupid it is.

    That's why he won't post the link, he knows how easy it will be to rip the piss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    OOOH ! ENT has posted CHARTS !
    Does that make him all knowledgeable ??
    Far more than you, oaf.
    Geologists take samples before creating charts.
    Sometimes. Geologists also survey, calculate and make projections to create charts.
    How do you think the maps and charts of the South Perth basin were arrived at if not first surveyed.
    Geologists don't have any samples of various asteroids and planets, yet are able to analyze surveyed data to predict the composition of those rocks in space.
    And the survey ships had sonar, not machinery to take continual samples from the ocean floor.
    Survey was the mission. Once surveyed and data analyzed by geologists, test bores may be drilled, in areas projected to contain oil deposit, the whole process not reliant on even a single geological sample that indicates oil, as it would all be buried under metres of overlying rock, otherwise the oil wouldn't be there.

    A fat lot you know about geology and geological survey you little mincer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    OOOH ! ENT has posted CHARTS !

    Does that make him all knowledgeable ??

    No.....that makes him a pretentious twit.

    Geologists take samples before creating charts. And the survey ships had sonar, not machinery to take continual samples from the ocean floor.

    You complete turkey, ENT.
    He's getting all this crap off some conspiracy theory website.

    He doesn't actually understand how stupid it is.

    That's why he won't post the link, he knows how easy it will be to rip the piss.
    You're really full of shit harry.
    There's no link to any website to post, it's all common knowledge to those with an educational level higher than business studies,... those with a brain, which you don't seem to possess in anything more than a minimum capacity necessary for you to make sense of the mundane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    OOOH ! ENT has posted CHARTS !

    Does that make him all knowledgeable ??

    No.....that makes him a pretentious twit.

    Geologists take samples before creating charts. And the survey ships had sonar, not machinery to take continual samples from the ocean floor.

    You complete turkey, ENT.
    He's getting all this crap off some conspiracy theory website.

    He doesn't actually understand how stupid it is.

    That's why he won't post the link, he knows how easy it will be to rip the piss.
    You're really full of shit harry.
    There's no link to any website to post, it's all common knowledge to those with an educational level higher than business studies,... those with a brain, which you don't seem to possess in anything more than a minimum capacity necessary for you to make sense of the mundane.
    You can keep trying to waffle with the conspiratorial nonsense you find, but ultimately it's just that, nonsense.

    They already knew the shape of the seabed in the Southern Indian Ocean, all they've done is significantly increased the resolution of known scans.

    This is about as useful as a foreskin in a jewish nudist camp when it comes to deciding whether to invest hundreds of millions drilling in water that deep, even if they were interested - which they're not at $50 a barrel, which shows how much you know about the oil industry.

    Not to mention that it's in international waters, something you seem to think means anyone can just pitch up and start drilling.

    What you're posting isn't "common knowledge".

    It's just you posting bullshit not realising how fucking stupid you sound.


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    Freescale.

    Patent.

    Rothschild.

    Same same.

    Nuff said.

    And a pre-emptive "fuck off harry you sellout corporate slag"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
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    and then quite safely ditch the plane?
    Almost impossible. Maybe in a calm river but not in the ocean with a swell.

    How do you know what the conditions were, and how do you know the plane didn't touch the water level.

    A: You don't.
    No but neither do you know that conditions were good and that it touched level.
    I said almost impossible. All it needs is one engine slightly lower than the other and...
    How many pilots have surface effect training? A. None.
    Sure, but pilots are given some guidance in reading groundswell and windswell, along with applicable touchdown techniques. Simulator fidelity is [probably understandably] poor, but some pilots may be independently floatplane endorsed, and many are bluewater sailors.
    The Ethiopean Airlines incident is a poor example: Captain Abate [and his axe vs head damaged First Officer] were fighting with the hijackers for control of the aircraft and attempted a desperate ditching outside of recommended speed and configuration. Lucky.
    edit: A better example might be Lion Air in Bali [2013] managed to drop into the Kuta surf line up without even meaning to; and Zero fatallities. Very Lucky.
    Lots of conjecture here on the MH event, and ENT's take is ENTertaining. One question for him then: why would the 'non suicidal' Captain deploy the RAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Freescale.

    Patent.

    Rothschild.

    Same same.

    Nuff said.

    And a pre-emptive "fuck off harry you sellout corporate slag"
    You forgot

    "Aliens"
    "The Bermuda Triangle"
    and
    "Albert is another fucking whackjob".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They already knew the shape of the seabed in the Southern Indian Ocean, all they've done is significantly increased the resolution of known scans.
    Very useful, as without that survey, accurately defining and interpreting the morphology of underwater geography to ascertain the highest probability of oil or gas deposits would be impossible.
    deciding whether to invest hundreds of millions drilling in water that deep, even if they were interested .
    If it's economically viable, drilling will go ahead.
    Not to mention that it's in international waters, something you seem to think means anyone can just pitch up and start drilling
    .
    No one's mentioned that. Anything outside of Oz's EEZ is under ISA jurisdiction, which is already having to cope with increasing demands to drill for oil in international waters.
    What you're posting isn't "common knowledge".
    Probably not to a myopic.
    The thing is harry, you're full of bullshit and bluster.
    If your claim is correct, then nobody would be drilling for oil offshore at depths of up to 11,000 ft, now would they?

    The Broken Ridge area of the Naturaliste Plateau is at a depth of around 3,500 ft, the plateau north of that is under around 7,000 ft of water, well within the depth limits of modern rigs, so no big problem to drill there if recent surveys cast a better light on the oceanic topography, which if correctly interpreted, can be an indicator of potential oil reservoirs, and then it's decided to test drill there.

    Without those high resolution scans, the task would have been nigh on impossible.

    This one for instance, of the area being discussed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
    One question for him then: why would the 'non suicidal' Captain deploy the RAT?
    No idea.
    That was harrybarracuda's idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They already knew the shape of the seabed in the Southern Indian Ocean, all they've done is significantly increased the resolution of known scans.
    Very useful, as without that survey, accurately defining and interpreting the morphology of underwater geography to ascertain the highest probability of oil or gas deposits would be impossible.
    deciding whether to invest hundreds of millions drilling in water that deep, even if they were interested .
    If it's economically viable, drilling will go ahead.
    Not to mention that it's in international waters, something you seem to think means anyone can just pitch up and start drilling
    .
    No one's mentioned that. Anything outside of Oz's EEZ is under ISA jurisdiction, which is already having to cope with increasing demands to drill for oil in international waters.
    What you're posting isn't "common knowledge".
    Probably not to a myopic.
    The thing is harry, you're full of bullshit and bluster.
    If your claim is correct, then nobody would be drilling for oil offshore at depths of up to 11,000 ft, now would they?

    The Broken Ridge area of the Naturaliste Plateau is at a depth of around 3,500 ft, the plateau north of that is under around 7,000 ft of water, well within the depth limits of modern rigs, so no big problem to drill there if recent surveys cast a better light on the oceanic topography, which if correctly interpreted, can be an indicator of potential oil reservoirs, and then it's decided to test drill there.

    Without those high resolution scans, the task would have been nigh on impossible.

    This one for instance, of the area being discussed.
    Enough of the stupid pictures.

    No-one is drilling in 10,000+ feet of water at $50 a barrel you moron.

    And no-one was drilling at that depth when it was $150 based on a fucking sonar survey. That's why they developed wide azimuth surveys.

    Why do you insist on repeating the same shit in the hope that someone will believe it?

    Put your money where your mouth is and go and buy some shares in SeaDrill and TransOcean, and watch while they go down the fucking toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    One question for him then: why would the 'non suicidal' Captain deploy the RAT?
    No idea.
    That was harrybarracuda's idea.
    Apologies ENT, was enjoying this 'debate' too much!!

    My take on RAT deployment fwiw is that a controlled ditching would be with all engines and flight controls operational. ie no RAT.
    In the event of fuel starvation, the RAT would automatically deploy and provide hydraulic power to only some flight controls. The ensuing ditching would therefore be much less controllable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No-one is drilling in 10,000+ feet of water at $50 a barrel
    The area surveyed of Broken Ridge Naturaliste Plateau is under 3,3000 ft of water, not 10,000 ft.
    And no-one was drilling at that depth when it was $150 based on a fucking sonar survey.
    Neither was anyone using wide azimuth survey methods to look for oil at that depth either,
    That's why they developed wide azimuth surveys
    .
    A very expensive and highly technical seismic survey method involving positioning of components in a grid pattern on the sea floor, so not suitable for extensive searches in depths of 3,000 ft or more, as in the MH370 search.
    Why do you think sonar is still used for oil exploration?


    Fugro Equator's search equipment used in MH370 search.





    Seismic survey methods used by Fugro Equator complement its sub-seabed and side scanning sonar to achieve and support the high resolution images retrieved and so far published, as in this one below, at a far lower cost.




    Put your money where your mouth is and go and buy some shares in SeaDrill and TransOcean, and watch while they go down the fucking toilet.
    Market forces fluctuate, and cost of oil production a few years ago saw claims of "peak oil" production as occurring in or around 2010, ,,,but it never happened except on paper. There are enormous supplies of oil yet to be retrieved, when production costs and methods meet market demands once more.

    I wouldn't speculate on the timing of that event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
    One question for him then: why would the 'non suicidal' Captain deploy the RAT?
    No idea.
    That was harrybarracuda's idea.
    Apologies ENT, was enjoying this 'debate' too much!!

    My take on RAT deployment fwiw is that a controlled ditching would be with all engines and flight controls operational. ie no RAT.
    In the event of fuel starvation, the RAT would automatically deploy and provide hydraulic power to only some flight controls. The ensuing ditching would therefore be much less controllable.
    Thanks for the feedback, very useful info!

    My take on it was that the RAT was not deployed, as it would have damaged the plane's fuselage as it was ripped off plus its hatch cover on impact with the sea surface. So far, no debris to point to that event has surfaced. The plane did not run out of fuel, as speculated and the engines were shut off by the pilot after ditching, which may account for that final "handshake" with INMARSAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    There are enormous supplies of oil yet to be retrieved,
    OT I read somewhere there are more oil reserves under Yemen than in any other country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The plane did not run out of fuel, as speculated and the engines were shut off by the pilot after ditching, which may account for that final "handshake" with INMARSAT.
    And yet the final handshake was from a partial startup, which more likely would be explained by the RAT deploying and powering up just before ditching.

    There would not be a final handshake from a shut down, except in your bizarre imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    No-one is drilling in 10,000+ feet of water at $50 a barrel
    The area surveyed of Broken Ridge Naturaliste Plateau is under 3,3000 ft of water, not 10,000 ft.
    And no-one was drilling at that depth when it was $150 based on a fucking sonar survey.
    Neither was anyone using wide azimuth survey methods to look for oil at that depth either,
    That's why they developed wide azimuth surveys
    .
    A very expensive and highly technical seismic survey method involving positioning of components in a grid pattern on the sea floor, so not suitable for extensive searches in depths of 3,000 ft or more, as in the MH370 search.
    Why do you think sonar is still used for oil exploration?

    <deleted another stupid picture>

    Seismic survey methods used by Fugro Equator complement its sub-seabed and side scanning sonar to achieve and support the high resolution images retrieved and so far published, as in this one below, at a far lower cost.

    <deleted another stupid picture>

    Put your money where your mouth is and go and buy some shares in SeaDrill and TransOcean, and watch while they go down the fucking toilet.
    Market forces fluctuate, and cost of oil production a few years ago saw claims of "peak oil" production as occurring in or around 2010, ,,,but it never happened except on paper. There are enormous supplies of oil yet to be retrieved, when production costs and methods meet market demands once more.

    I wouldn't speculate on the timing of that event.
    You know, you keep repeating this nonsense with pretty pictures galore as if it is anyway related to this thread and it's beyond boring; so what is your actual fairy story?

    Did the pilot fly this plane and ditch it there so Big Oil could get some cheap sonar work done at the expense of various governments? Was he on the Chevron payroll?

    Or are Inmarsat in on it too, and provided fake data for them?

    Maybe you can spare us more pointless waffling if you just take your tin foil hat off and state your case.

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    ENT's modus operandi is that he never states his case. The lights are on, but nobody's home
    He just gives all sorts of scenarios.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    And yet the final handshake was from a partial startup, which more likely would be explained by the RAT deploying and powering up just before ditching.
    Good point. That partial handshake was odd.
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