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    Quote Originally Posted by Thailandnomads View Post
    It's incredible!! The Big Airplane with high technology missed without the clue.
    They have plenty of clues. They've even found bits of the plane.

    But they don't know exactly where the main wreckage is, and it happens to be in the deepest part of a very large ocean.

    Which coincidentally would have been the best place to try and hide it if you were so inclined.

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    Do you think the captain (or whoever was piloting it) was trying to hide it ?

    That's almost as outlandish as saying aliens did it.....only one step removed.

    The most simple and direct explanation is that whoever was controlling it was hypoxic and making illogical decisions for a while, eventually becoming unconscious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    whoever was controlling it was hypoxic and making illogical decisions for a while, eventually becoming unconscious.
    That's not what happens during hypoxia.

    It's onset is unnoticed by the victim and death ensues in minutes, not eventually, after several hours, as you suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Do you think the captain (or whoever was piloting it) was trying to hide it ?

    That's almost as outlandish as saying aliens did it.....only one step removed.

    The most simple and direct explanation is that whoever was controlling it was hypoxic and making illogical decisions for a while, eventually becoming unconscious.
    The only logical reason a pilot would divert an airliner out to sea - where he knew that the plane was going to go down - would be that he was suicidal but wanted to make sure the plane was never found to prove it.

    Once he's declared dead, the life insurance pays out.

    Why is that so outlandish?

    To say that he got hypoxia and managed to weave his plane carefully from the South China Sea to the arse end of the Indian Ocean is frankly fucking absurd.

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    I don't think insurance pays out if the person was suicidal, or deemed to be. And a fair few people are making the suggestion that he might have been. If he was suicidal and doing it for the payout to his family, he must have known that there would be a strong possibility compensation would be denied.

    And he didn't "manage to weave his plane carefully".....there were only about 3 or 4 actions in a row that were made. After that, it was on to eternity....

    Oxygen starvation does odd things to peoples' brains and decision-making. Ask anyone who's done time in the Himalayas at high altitude.

    Anyway, that's my take on it, and I'm sticking with it. You and ENT can apologise after the plane is found and forensically tested.

    (Correction : ENT will rationalize).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    I don't think insurance pays out if the person was suicidal, or deemed to be.
    Oh FFS, are you keeping up?

    Why do you think he wanted to hide the plane?


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    Flight MH370 Update: Search For Missing Plane Resumes After Bad Weather Causes Delay
    BY SUMAN VARANDANI @SUMAN09 ON 11/08/16 AT 5:08 AM

    The underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 resumed after facing a delay due to bad weather, Malaysia's Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai said. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said last month that the search of more than 42,470 square miles of a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean will come to an end by January/February 2017.

    "These two months are crucial as our aim is to cover the whole search area by January," the minister said, according to AsiaOne. "China is very committed. The Fugro Discovery and the Dong Hai Jiu 101 vessels are in that area now."

    "Meanwhile, the African region is helping to comb the seaside to search for more debris," he said, adding that some of the debris confirmed to be from a Boeing 777 jet are being analysed to determine the cause of the crash.

    Flight MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board while on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

    Liow reportedly said that he met China's Transport Minister Li Xiaopeng during his official visit to the country recently and discussed how the search could be continued.

    Last week, the agency leading the search for Flight MH370 said that analysis of wreckage belonging to the missing plane revealed that the flight descended rapidly, plunging to the sea with no one in control of the flight.

    The plane was in a “high and increasing rate of descent” when it made its last satellite communication, the report said. The plane’s right outboard wing flap, which was found on Pemba island, was not deployed at the time of the crash, investigators said.

    “The purpose of the examination was to inform the end-of-flight scenarios being considered by the search team,” the report said. “The right flaperon was probably at, or close to, the neutral position at the time it separated from the wing.”

    Flight MH370 Update: Search For Missing Plane Resumes After Bad Weather Causes Delay

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    Get over it harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said last month that the search of more than 42,470 square miles of a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean will come to an end by January/February 2017
    And then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said last month that the search of more than 42,470 square miles of a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean will come to an end by January/February 2017
    And then what?
    Well, assuming nothing substantial is located, then a number of people on a semi-obscure South East Asian Forum will be left to postulate theories.
    In the majority these will be well meaning folk simply searching for some closure to the mystery.
    Others, more intense, but still with good intentions, may resort to bickering amongst themselves.
    Unfortunately there will be a very small minority, one, perhaps two, keyboard warrior[s] with limited experience or even knowledge of the aviation factors involved, who will simply use the forum as a platform to espouse their personal agendae and spite.
    Shame really.

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    TIGHAR plans to search the area with submarines next year - the 80th anniversary of Earhart's disappearance.

    Perhaps then the truth will be discovered.

    Amelia Earhart may have died a castaway on Nikumaroro island, evidence suggests | Daily Mail Online

    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish
    a number of people on a semi-obscure South East Asian Forum will be left to postulate theories
    Thread has extremely long potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said last month that the search of more than 42,470 square miles of a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean will come to an end by January/February 2017
    And then what?
    Well, assuming nothing substantial is located, then a number of people on a semi-obscure South East Asian Forum will be left to postulate theories.
    In the majority these will be well meaning folk simply searching for some closure to the mystery.
    Others, more intense, but still with good intentions, may resort to bickering amongst themselves.
    Unfortunately there will be a very small minority, one, perhaps two, keyboard warrior[s] with limited experience or even knowledge of the aviation factors involved, who will simply use the forum as a platform to espouse their personal agendae and spite.
    Shame really.
    That, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    Get over it harry
    Get fucked beerlaodrinker. No-one is making you read this, so piss off and find something useful to do.

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    The question that bugs me is;

    Why did the trailing edges of the starboard flaperon and the starboard flap break and wear off, while their under-surfaces were comparatively unscathed?

    All this, on landing in water on a cruise, or normal setting,... out of the way, level, creating the least resistance,.... on approaching it's final position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The question that bugs me is;

    Why did the trailing edges of the starboard flaperon and the starboard flap break and wear off, while their under-surfaces were comparatively unscathed?
    What?

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    Malaysia Airlines are fighting in a Sydney court on friday to fight a " Notice to Produce".
    It is about seeking info such as the insurance contract for MH370,crew training records,
    flight deck security procedures,and contract with engine maker.
    Some relatives of passengers took action and MA was supposed to produce info by Oct25,but MA has made a interlocutory application to strike out the Notice to Produce.

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    MH370: Ship departs to search for Malaysia airlines Flight 370 one last time
    By Garima Satija on December 13 2016 8:03 PM

    The Dutch-owned ship, Fugro Equator, has departed the Fremantle port of Australia on Monday night to search for the Malaysia Airlines Flight 350 (MH370) that had mysteriously crashed into the southern Indian Ocean in 2014.

    The officials have stated that Furgo Equator will be the last ship to scour the area of 120,000-square-kilometer (46,000-square-mile) where authorities have calculated the crash of Boeing 777 that carried 239 people. If nothing is found, they will suspend the search operation.

    Fugro Equator will comb through the area looking for the remains of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. The search will be completed by early 2017. However, fluctations in weather conditions may affect the duration.

    As of now, several ships have searched through the region but no information, not even a single piece of wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, has been discovered. There are no clues on the whereabouts of Flight MH370.

    “It has been an heroic undertaking but we have to prepare ourselves for the prospect that we may not find MH370 in the coming weeks, although we remain hopeful,” said Australian Transport Minister Darren Chester while talking to West Australian newspaper.

    Countries such as China and Australia have taken part in the underwater search operation. Chester thanked China or deploying Chinese vessel Dong Hai Jiu 101 in the search operation that completed earlier this month.

    Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared on its route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur in 2014. MH370 was carrying 239 people, most of which were Chinese.

    Last week, seven family members of some passengers searched for the debris in Madagascar. Furthermore, they encouraged the local communities residing near the coast to also search for potential debris. The decision by the family members was announced after some people living in the regions found alleged fragments of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on East African as well as Madagascan coasts in recent times.

    Families of the passengers are frustrated with finding no clue of MH370 whereabouts as of now. They have been calling for coordinated efforts to search for the debris of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

    MH370: Ship departs to search for Malaysia airlines Flight 370 one last time

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    With the finding of pieces of debris, it seems the haystack just got bigger.

    The search coordinator, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), issued advice on Tuesday that new evidence derived from ocean drift modelling and further analysis of satellite communications with the aircraft and washed-up debris helped determine the new area.

    "There is a high degree of confidence that the previously identified underwater area searched to date does not contain the missing aircraft," the ATSB report said.

    "Given the elimination of this area, the experts identified an area with the highest probability of containing the wreckage of the aircraft."

    The proposed new search area is north of the current search zone that has been the focus of the 117million (A$200 million) search so far. It would represent the second time the search has been extended if funding was forthcoming.
    Search area for missing Malaysia Airlines flight extended by 10,500 sq miles | World | News | Daily Express

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    Been on the OZ news today, now saying they have been looking in the wrong place, I take that to be ass saving speak, that they have no idea where the plane went down.

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    As was obvious all along.

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    One of my friends knows a retired Wing Commander from the Royal Australian Air Force.

    He said that Malaysian Airlines have not yet released the maintenance schedule for that aircraft and this is highly suspicious.

    He said there have been a few cases in which aircraft have taken off with only half their air con working (it is a split system....he made the assumption that it is the same as the previous model), and if that second half failed they would be up shit creek.


    He also said that hypoxia can happen gradually for some time, and that as it appeared the aircraft was intentionally directed for some time, that it was not necessarily suicide, but partial hypoxia.....the imperative not being "I'm going to kill us all", but "gotta get home".

    This confirms what I previously said here. People up high mountains in the Himalayas sometimes do the silliest things, including going in the wrong direction. And this mental state can last for hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Been on the OZ news today, now saying they have been looking in the wrong place, I take that to be ass saving speak, that they have no idea where the plane went down.

    I take it to mean that modelling the debris that has been found has provided a better guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    One of my friends knows a retired Wing Commander from the Royal Australian Air Force.

    He said that Malaysian Airlines have not yet released the maintenance schedule for that aircraft and this is highly suspicious.

    He said there have been a few cases in which aircraft have taken off with only half their air con working (it is a split system....he made the assumption that it is the same as the previous model), and if that second half failed they would be up shit creek.


    He also said that hypoxia can happen gradually for some time, and that as it appeared the aircraft was intentionally directed for some time, that it was not necessarily suicide, but partial hypoxia.....the imperative not being "I'm going to kill us all", but "gotta get home".

    This confirms what I previously said here.
    No it doesn't, it confirms that a mate met someone in a pub who said something you agree with.

    Nothing more.

    And the flying is still too precise and planned to conform with a half asleep pilot throwing the plane around the air.

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    Shit they've done a lot of work, but unfortunately there are still variables they can only estimate.

    http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5772119...n_driftv29.pdf

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    My friend works for Boeing here in Brisbane. He knows the Wing Commander personally....not from a pub.

    Hypoxic behaviour is not "half-asleep" behaviour. Some people do highly technical climbing whilst semi-hypoxic in the Himalayas. And many come unstuck, but before that they're a lot better than "half asleep".

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