Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

It doesn't matter, he suffers from a basket case of cognitive bias.

^are you suggesting that he has a brain? isn't that a bit optimistic

Barnacles on debris could provide clues to missing MH370 - experts

"Barnacle shells ... can tell us valuable information about the water conditions under which they were formed," said Ryan Pearson, a PhD student at Australia's Griffith University who is studying the shell chemistry of barnacles to determine migration patterns of endangered loggerhead turtles.

The technique is also used to study the movement of whales.
Experts analyse barnacle shells to determine the temperature and chemical composition of the water through which they passed to help reveal their origin.


While the technique could help narrow the area of the search for MH370 to within tens, or hundreds, of kilometres, it was unlikely to pinpoint an exact location, Pearson said.


Barnacles can be aged, based on growth rates and size. If the barnacles on the debris are older than the date MH370 went missing, it would rule it coming from that plane, said Melanie Bishop a professor at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University.


Ecologists would look at whether the barnacles were on the surface of the flaperon or confined to the sides as that could indicate whether the debris moved on the surface of the water or was submerged.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by birding

Sorry that didnt come out well, have to look for yorself.

Quite the contrary, two different sub species, and experts that allegedly can determine where, in the world, the flap has been.

Makes the assumption, made by some who assume complete subservience to the MSM, that it has been circling the Indian Ocean at least possibly provable.

Thanks for your info.

As opposed to what, the Ohoh theory that the Merkins that have this plane in Diego Garcia chopped off a flaperon, glued barnacles to it and dropped it off on a Reunion beach?

This may be telling:

Bill Waldock, a professor of safety science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, predicted analysts would also look for small fractures in the surface that could reveal the planes angle of impact. An ultrasound could show "just how violent the separation was," he told ABC News.

Flight MH370: what happens next if wing debris is from missing plane? | The Week UK

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This may be telling:

Bill Waldock, a professor of safety science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, predicted analysts would also look for small fractures in the surface that could reveal the planes angle of impact. An ultrasound could show "just how violent the separation was," he told ABC News.

Flight MH370: what happens next if wing debris is from missing plane? | The Week UK

Sounds crap to me, if it broke of in flight, hitting water or a sandy beach, all impacts would be different.
Just another sound bite, also noted yahoo news, water bottles from Malaysia and China found, plastic label still intake.
Everyone wants their 15 minutes, will wait and see the official report, until then, don't believe the story.

I thought the piece they found had been ruled out as that from MH370...

Any updates?...

^ Unofficially, reports suggest the first item found is a flaperon from a B-777,. The second item found was part of a domestic ladder and had only flown briefly in its life, when being flung onto the beach.

Officially no-one has confirmed it yet but will do by the end of the week.

It won't help narrow the search area much but will refute my theory that it landed on cloud base alpha.

Just saw the confirmation in the news. The flaperon is from MH370.

Well of course. It has been confirmed before that it is from a 777 and MH370 is the only one missing.

Indian Ocean wreckage is from MH370: Malaysian PM

Debris found on an Indian Ocean island a week ago is from flight MH370, Malaysia's prime minister said Thursday, confirming for the first time that the plane which mysteriously disappeared 17 months ago met a tragic end.

"Today, 515 days since the plane disappeared, it is with a very heavy heart that I must tell you that an international team of experts has conclusively confirmed that the aircraft debris found on Reunion Island is indeed from MH370," Najib Razak told reporters.
French prosecutors used more cautious language, saying only there was a "very high probability" the wreckage came from MH370.

To give you some idea of what finite elements is, have a look at this simulation of stresses in a c130 engine mounting lug

Originally Posted by hazz

This is the thing james, there is this wonderful technique for modelling materials called finite elements, it is extremely good at predicting how materials behave under stress.

Apples and oranges, betting it didn't come off from vibration stress, but impact, no way to tell, unless there is something left of what it impacted with.
It may reveal how hard the plane hit the water, if it came off in a water landing.
Just like a car wreck, no vibration test can tell you what the car hit, you may be able to figure out the speed it was travelling, damage, crumple, but not what it impacted with.

Question for me now, was the flap in or out when it came loose, out a controlled landing, in a crash.

James dear boy, finite elements is used to modle the very things that you say it cannot do. Its used extensively in the car industry to model impacts and how the car frame will react to the impact. This is much faster and cheaper than testing impacts on 100's prototypes. You get it right on the computer, then confirm that the computer model got it right with a few tests. The whole power of this technology is its ability to predict when and how materials will fail under stress of any kind, and the non vibrational stresses of impacts are particularly easy to model, compared to vibrational.

Whilst you are far from the most restent person I have ever met who believes what they know has far more value than evidence based true. but you are up near the top of the list, and that you were a policeman is actually quite worrying especially if you actually did investigations. One can only imagine that you viewed a suspect being ruled out by forensic evidence as a suspect getting away with it on a technicality.

OK Hazz, tell me, in this computer simulation, how does it distinguish a car hitting a brick, stone, steal or concrete wall.
Car hit a wall, no simulation can tell you what the wall is made off.

If the flap was torn of by pressure, it could be air or water, how could you distinguish.
Your windows get blown in from over pressure from a bomb, or a hurricane, simulation can only say pressure, not cause.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Car hit a wall, no simulation can tell you what the wall is made off.

Bollocks. Hitting different substances, of different hardness, different densities, etc will create a different reaction and therefore provide that information.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

OK Hazz, tell me, in this computer simulation, how does it distinguish a car hitting a brick, stone, steal or concrete wall.
Car hit a wall, no simulation can tell you what the wall is made off.

I think Hazz will be along shortly to hand you your ass, but for the now think about this - those materials, including "steel" all have different yield properties, and thus the impact damage of an object will vary depending upon which material was impacted.

Mentally picture a car hitting a brick wall (which would crumble, diffusing the energy) and a car hitting a solid steel plate, which would have little or no give. The resultant damage would be different.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Car hit a wall, no simulation can tell you what the wall is made off.

Bollocks. Hitting different substances, of different hardness, different densities, etc will create a different reaction and therefore provide that information.

Just like with the rubber discussion . . . just accept that you are wrong and move along, hazz seems to know what he's talking about . . . and you don't.

Here we go again, Malaysia releasing incorrect information.
CNN an hour ago.

But a source close to the investigation told CNN that French and U.S. experts examining the flaperon have not yet found anything that would definitively link it to Flight 370. The American officials involved are from the National Transportation Safety Board.

KW, bang your head against a brick, stone or concrete wall and tell me which one is softer.
Only thing you can figure out, by the cars damage is speed of impact.

Chances are he ran outta fuel and ditched.

.Just another evil bastard pilot, like Lubitz taking all with him.

Surely the impact of hitting the water is the most probabal cause of breakup.

Still, looking for the haystack will take forever before locating the needle.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Here we go again, Malaysia releasing incorrect information.
CNN an hour ago.

But a source close to the investigation told CNN that French and U.S. experts examining the flaperon have not yet found anything that would definitively link it to Flight 370. The American officials involved are from the National Transportation Safety Board.

Think about it! So few 777's have been involved in accidents it is unlikely to have come from any other plane.

KW, bang your head against a brick, stone or concrete wall and tell me which one is softer.
Only thing you can figure out, by the cars damage is speed of impact.

BS! What do you think forensic teams look for!?

Aircraft seat cushions, window panes found on Reunion: Malaysia | Bangkok Post: news

KUALA LUMPUR - Aircraft seat cushions and window panes have been found on an Indian Ocean island where wreckage from MH370 was recovered, Malaysia's transport minister said Thursday.
"We have also found debris like window panes, aluminium foil and seat cushions," Liow Tiong Lai told AFP.
Liow, who later specified he was referring to aircraft seats and windows, said it remained to be seen whether the items found on Reunion Island were debris from the missing Malaysian Airlines flight.
"They are little parts, but the debris cannot be verified if it belongs to MH370. It has to be verified by the French authorities," he said.

Originally Posted by birding

Aircraft seat cushions, window panes found on Reunion: Malaysia | Bangkok Post: news

KUALA LUMPUR - Aircraft seat cushions and window panes have been found on an Indian Ocean island where wreckage from MH370 was recovered, Malaysia's transport minister said Thursday.
"We have also found debris like window panes, aluminium foil and seat cushions," Liow Tiong Lai told AFP.
Liow, who later specified he was referring to aircraft seats and windows, said it remained to be seen whether the items found on Reunion Island were debris from the missing Malaysian Airlines flight.
"They are little parts, but the debris cannot be verified if it belongs to MH370. It has to be verified by the French authorities," he said.

BBC.

In another development, the Malaysian transport minister said more suspected plane debris had been found on Reunion, including window panes and seat cushions.
Liow Tiong Lai said the items had been sent to French authorities to be verified.
However, French investigators quoted by AFP news agency said no new debris had been received.