Thread: Will the GOP Force a Govt Shutdown and/or Debt Default?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Ahh mate, it's not spam, and it's not airy fairy bullshit

I never said it was. Spam is a food that keeps for along time in the pantry. I meant I have food and a weapon to defend myself when things get nasty. While I don't agree with all of your post I do acknowledge that this collapse is very possible. However,this will be a global collapse and not contained to the US.

I get you now. I thought you said you had a spam rifle to shoot down my assertion.

The collapse will be an apocalypse for the US, but some countries will fair better. Countries like the UK which is just a service country now will collapse as well. Germany are being clever; taking the bribes from the manufacturing businesses to keep them there, and as such they will do well. Japan has been devaluing themselves to keep the exports flying out the door and again, as they make things, they will be ok. Thailand with their large small farm infrastructure and if we are brutally honest, a population on the whole completely capable and not that far off living in a hut eating rice and chicken bones will be OK - they are self sufficient. Italy will be OK because they have the fourth largest gold reserve. The US has none, all given to the banks as sureties, along with all the other gold on deposit from Germany etc, and Britiain sold all theirs. Fools.

The US will be doomed though as will be the UK - both countries who have sold themselves down the river to corporations who in turn have taken away their production to cheaper shores, but kept their service in those countries. The US falls all countries that basically does not make anything will fall hard. The biggest threat to the world is that when the US collapses, and it will, is that they will go out guns blazing (nuclear).

I have a very nice organic home farm, fish shitting out the nutrients, and the ability to make food out of anything and the willingness to help others near me if needs be. The US could collapse tomorrow and we would not go hungry .... especially when I have ram raided Big C and stolen all of their tinned and dried goods which is exactly what I will do the moment the shit hits the fan

Government reopens and Biden brought muffins!





I love that the mere mention of Biden's name makes Republicans absolutely apoplectic... even better, he knows it and relishes it.

Repubs: Hey Biden, you're a moran!
Biden: I know! Can you believe I'm the fucking Vice President!
Repubs: AAAAAAAAAAGODDAMMITSOMUCH!11!!

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Government reopens and Biden brought muffins!





I love that the mere mention of Biden's name makes Republicans absolutely apoplectic... even better, he knows it and relishes it.

Repubs: Hey Biden, you're a moran!
Biden: I know! Can you believe I'm the fucking Vice President!
Repubs: AAAAAAAAAAGODDAMMITSOMUCH!11!!

Sorry, out of repo, catch you nnext time.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Sorry, out of repo, catch you nnext time.

Thanks, Biden always cracks me up.

If you stop and think about Obama's choice of a running mate in 2008, it's kinda funny.

"I could overthink this and make a deeply calculated political decision... or, I could hang out with Joe Biden. Yeah. No-brainer!"

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obviously, it made Obama impeachment-proof having Mad Joe as his VP..

Pretty sure you have previously claimed that Obama is ineligible to be prez, if that were true it would surely also make him immune to impeachment!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Koojo

Sorry, out of repo, catch you nnext time.

Thanks, Biden always cracks me up.

If you stop and think about Obama's choice of a running mate in 2008, it's kinda funny.

"I could overthink this and make a deeply calculated political decision... or, I could hang out with Joe Biden. Yeah. No-brainer!"

Obviously, it made Obama impeachment-proof having Mad Joe as his VP...

Joe was at the EPA welcoming back the staff who'd been furloughed by Kamikaze Cruz and his Tea Party terrorists. He even brought muffins!



edit- ooops, see QC already shared this fantastic pic earlier in the thread

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

edit- ooops, see QC already shared this fantastic pic earlier in the thread

No worries! Joe's megawatt smile on this issue is a classic.

Cruz off licking his wounds because everybody except the most rabid teabaggers think he is a self-aggrandising demagogue clown and Biden strolling into the EPA with muffins. It's awesome!

Originally Posted by Koojo

So Gilbert, just how ready are you?

Better prepared than some, not as well as others. I live in Thailand; for most here it will be business as usual especially as I have nothing in dollars lol I'm not a prepper if that is what you are alluding to though. I have a small aquaponics system for the fun of it more than anything else and knowing what is on my food. Not got a gun though.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Koojo

So Gilbert, just how ready are you?

Better prepared than some, not as well as others. I live in Thailand; for most here it will be business as usual especially as I have nothing in dollars lol I'm not a prepper if that is what you are alluding to though. I have a small aquaponics system for the fun of it more than anything else and knowing what is on my food. Not got a gun though.

World is not going to end, things may get bad for many, but I am a poor Issan farmer. Can live on rice, fish, chickens and if really short, can eat the dogs.

Feel sorry for the homeless city dwellers, out here in the boonies even the poorest have a hut to call home and food is plentiful if you don't mind frogs and bugs.

We do have guns, world goes bad, think we will be OK until things get better, plus worlds been bad since the GFC.
Gets any worse and you will have civil up risings. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

World is not going to end, things may get bad for many

No one said the world will end unless obomba or the next puppet decides to go out in a blaze of glory. Hardly likely to touch Thailand though so we are OK.

^ What's this "blaze of glory" nonsense?

Getting back to the topic of the thread- everyone knew this would end badly for the GOP. Here's an interesting editorial from the Guardian-

Republican defeat: the Tea Party should be over

As a result of the US shutdown battle, Obama and the Democrats in Congress are much steelier characters


The only sliver of silver in the lining of the Republican party's crushing defeat over the shutdown was that, in theory, the US federal government will only be funded until January next year, and the debt ceiling will start getting a concern again a month after that. In theory, we could go through the cycle of mendacity, demagoguery and obstructionism all over again. Will that happen? The deal includes an agreement to appoint a bipartisan group of members of Congress to negotiate future spending levels, but we have seen what happened to them in the past. The next round of this soap opera, which the house speaker John Boehner called fighting the good fight, will take place much closer to the mid-term elections.

This should matter but, there again, it may not. Let us not forget that we are dealing with a group of people who don't accept that they lost the last election, in November 2012. In a poll fought largely on the issue of healthcare, Barack Obama had five million more popular votes than his challenger, Democrats in the Senate had 10 million more votes, and in the House of Representatives one-and-a-half million more than the Republicans. No matter, the Republicans thought they won. In the house, they won a majority largely because of a deeply flawed system which allows states, dominated by one party or another, to gerrymander the seats by districting and redistricting. The independent order of the political map should become the norm, rather than – as now – the exception.

As things stand – cocooned in constituencies with an artificial concentration of conservative voters, more focused on primaries than the general election – many Republicans who should be drawing the obvious humbling lessons from a knockout defeat of this nature may do no such thing. The counter argument is that gerrymandered districts are not that safe for the Tea Party wing, because according to one analysis the Republicans lost twice as much support over the government shutdown in gerrymandered districts than in those whose boundaries were not politically redrawn. If this is true, the Tea Party will be drained of its self-righteous populism by the popular vote itself. In the end, the biggest Republican mistake was not in opposing Obamacare or greater government spending. Rightly or wrongly, those causes are popular. Their mistake was to shut down government, making normal life and people's jobs the hostage of political demands. In doing that, they overreached themselves. Mr Obama is, as a result of this battle, a much steelier character, so are the Democrats in Congress. Together they have been fashioned by this conflict into an effective political force, less hobbled by the opposition. Let us hope the mid-terms mark the moment when the Tea Party's over.


Republican defeat: the Tea Party should be over | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Gilbert

I live in Thailand; for most here it will be business as usual especially as I have nothing in dollars

Don't be too confident that having nothing in dollars will insulate you from the effects of shitty American (non) regulation if it happens again.

After Lehman went tits up the Thai banks put a hold on issuing any financing for a period as the real picture became clearer because the banking system is so inter-linked.

People who had made a deposit with a time limit for contract closure based on the assurances of Thai banks that the funding would be released were left high and dry. I got hit hard by that.

With an MoU issued by the board of directors of a bank I went ahead and put down a deposit with a 3 month lifetime to complete the deal and they just pulled the rug out from under me, "Oh, we changed our minds because we don't know what is going on. Sorry" and there was SFA I could do about it.

How much has Obama's shutdown cost the government?

A whole $24bn, according to media 'talking points', or to put it into perspective, 2.5 days of Obama spending, and for true nerds, 6 days of deficit spending.

What a 'Shutdown' Means: $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed; $1B Paid in Salaries--in Just 2 Days | CNS News

They should do America a favour and shut down completely, for the next 3 years.

Originally Posted by leemo

How much has Obama's shutdown cost the government?

Do you manage to keep a straight face when you call it 'Obama's shutdown'?

You have GOP Reps and Sens on record as saying they wanted it and worked to make it happen. The Executive is only one branch of gubmint, on what planet can that cause a shutdown when spending comes out of the House?

He is POTUS, and one who insisted (pre-election, naturally) that the buck stops with him.

Originally Posted by leemo

Obama's shutdown

it's still early, but this gave me what is undoubtedly the best laugh i've had so far today.

everyone (except the most partisan of right wing hacks) knows the GOP is responsible for the shutdown.....boehner and cantor even admitted it last week. links to their admission are available earlier in this thread.

christ, just check the polling data to see who americans blame.

or better yet...check out drudge or foxnews.com....the shutdown has been practically whitewashed from their web sites.

Originally Posted by leemo

How much has the Tea Party's shutdown cost the government?

^ Fixed that for ya

Don't believe me? How about straight from the mouth of a lunatic Tea Party Princess-
Michele Bachmann: Government Reopening Is 'A Very Sad Day'

“To me, it’s a very sad day, because his agenda is going to go forward and he gets an immediate victory lap," Bachmann said, according to MinnPost.



More nonsensical ranting from Michele "Crazy Eyes" Bachmann-





"Barack Obama got 100 percent of what he wanted"


Yes he did, thanks to the Tea Party Suicide Caucus!

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by leemo

Obama's shutdown

it's still early, but this gave me what is undoubtedly the best laugh i've had so far today.

everyone (except the most partisan of right wing hacks) knows the GOP is responsible for the shutdown.....boehner and cantor even admitted it last week. links to their admission are available earlier in this thread.

christ, just check the polling data to see who americans blame.

or better yet...check out drudge or foxnews.com....the shutdown has been practically whitewashed from their web sites.

You mean the same 'real clued up' Americans that elected Obama, twice??

Originally Posted by leemo

You mean the same 'real clued up' Americans that elected Obama, twice??

They have more of a clue then you do apparently. You are still swallowing abandoned talking points. Even most republicans have come out publicly and admitted the shutdown was their doing and that they made a mistake. You are still out in the far right fever swamps with boontard drinking the Koolaid.

Shutdown Over, GOP Crushed, in 2014 we take back the House!

The GOP's ill-conceived shutdown of the Federal Government continues to pay dividends (to the Democrats)

Shutdown Woes: Women, Minorities, and Youths Fleeing the Republican Party

Surprisingly to virtually no one, poll results taken after the 16-day government shutdown show the GOP faring poorly among women, minorities and young voters, all of whom “say it’s a bad thing that the Republican Party controls the House.” These are the three key groups that Republicans previously vowed specifically to reach out to, after analyzing their results from the 2012 elections.
According to Darrell M. West of the Brookings Institution, the GOP’s inflexible dealings during the gridlock catastrophe “reinforced negative perceptions of extremism and unwillingness to compromise….Fiery rhetoric helps with the base but does a poor job reaching out to young people and women.”
It probably also doesn’t help their standing amongst the non-older-white-male segment of America that the content of their rhetoric is against reproductive rights, a fair minimum wage, and immigration reform, to mention just a few issues important to women, non-whites, and the young.
After Mitt Romney lost to President Obama in the 2012 elections, surprising many Republicans, the party issued the Growth and Opportunity Project, a 100-page evaluation of how they should best move forward. In it they recommended wooing the aforementioned three groups of voters, as well as improving fundraising, improving their polling, and making better use of their grass-roots supporters.
But right now, they are struggling to reach these goals. For one, the latest fundraising numbers give the national Democratic Party committees a slight edge over the Republicans, for the first time since the election.
Also, even though the Project specifically pointed out the importance of the Hispanic vote, stating that they “wrongly think that Republicans do not like them or want them in the country,” House Republicans have been resisting passing the Senate’s immigration bill that was championed by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida.


Michael Dimock, director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, stated: “I don’t think we have seen any particular shift in the views of Latinos toward the GOP,” and “I don’t think it helped the Republican Party’s image because the broader image was that the Republican Party was opposed to a path to citizenship — and that Rubio was the exception and not the rule for the GOP.”
All in all, between the insincere attempts to reform immigration policy and the hardline approach during the budget negotiations, Republicans have a lot of work to do if they hope to receive support from women, minorities, and the young. Specifically, a CNN/ORC survey released Monday showed 56% of women and 65% of minorities stating that the Republican-controlled House is bad for the country, as well as a strong majority of both expressing more confidence in President Obama than in Republicans to fix America’s most important issues.


Red more: Shutdown Woes: Women, Minorities, and Youths Fleeing the Republican Party - Occupy Democrats

John Boehner FINALLY Admits that Republicans are to 'Blame' for Gov't Shutdown

On this week’s episode of The Jay Leno Show, Republican House Speaker John Boehner finally “let the cat out of the bag” and candidly admitted that his Republican Party was to “blame” for this year’s government shutdown.
Not only that, but he also conceded that he never thought “it would work,” but his “colleagues” in the Tea Party house forced him into a “very predictable disaster” that “the sooner they got out of the better.”
While it’s certainly nice to finally hear him admit his Party’s shortcomings, it would’ve been better for the American people if he had initially stuck to his principles and averted a government shutdown that cost America over $25 billion and counting.
Please watch the video below and share this and other related articles on social media forums so that everyone will know exactly who is responsible for having shut down The Peoples Government.