Thread: Will the GOP Force a Govt Shutdown and/or Debt Default?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You gotta ask yourself why is Obama shutting down the Government?

You live in a fantasy world.

of course it's fantasy.

but you can expect more of this from the GOP and its internet lackeys over the coming days/weeks.

they know the majority of american people are aware it's the teabaggers that are shutting down the govt, but they're trying to fool those who haven't been paying attention thus far. so, what they're trying to do now is minimize the damage when the poll numbers come out....i can't imagine it will help much, but i suppose they have to try.

i have no doubt that this ends in tears for the GOP.

particularly boehner.

Originally Posted by sabang

You have lost what once made you special, and I would put that down to a combination of republican lies, short term greed and downright thuggery- but exacerbated by a weak democrat party, that was drawn along by the GOP's lemming like surge to the far right. In modern America, mammaries are all you have to cling to. Fake, artificially inflated ones at that. __________________

You are Aaron Sorkin and I claim my $50

Now even Hoffa Teamster doesnt want obumo care either, Anybody with a lick of sense that isnt a lazy bastard on the take wants this socialist Obumo care.
Just go to Thailand about 1/5 cost for a mans prostate operation $3000. versus
16,300 in Florida. THAT is what Obumo should be reducing is highest prices in world
and higher chance of death in catching incurable bugs in Hospitals.

Originally Posted by farmerfloyd

Just go to Thailand about 1/5 cost for a mans prostate operation $3000. versus
16,300 in Florida. THAT is what Obumo should be reducing is highest prices in world

That is what the AHC is designed to do, although naturally it was made unnecessarily complex (byzantium even) by so called 'health care' lobbyists and greedy politicians on the take. It is the largest deficit and debt reduction measure in the long term that the Obama administration has actually passed. You will still end up with the most expensive health care in the world I wager, but by a smaller margin.


Given the reality of a dysfunctional US Congress, what are the Potus' emergency powers? It would be nice to see the republican caucus clapped in irons for treason, but regrettably I rather doubt it.

With the GOP dream team, USA got into two wars, were humiliated by a terrorist attack that they had warning of, tried to appoint the CEO of Enron to a cabinet post, Scooter Libby, AIG, financial market collapses, and Osama Bin Laden was living in a mansion three blocks from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point. Massive tax cuts proved both the "Laffer Curve" and much of libertarian ethos to be almost fantastically disastrous on a global scale. And speaking of disasters, the guy running FEMA had previously been fired for being too incompetent to run a pony show.

Under Obama, the DJIA is damn near tripled, unemployment is down, deficit is down, gas is cheaper, guns are more widely available and have fewer restrictions, and Osama Bin Laden is fish food. Oh, and China and Russia sided with the US in a move that may well avert a very messy war in Syria. And they've got face-to-face meetings with Iran on nuclear non-proliferation.

If I were the Republican party (and not cursed with a conscience) I'd be setting fires, tossing babies into traffic, ANYTHING AT ALL to change the subject. FFS, they're almost cartoonish - one can, with reasonable accuracy, predict the next natural disaster to strike the US by simply noting what program the GOP ridicules most.

From Senator Lou Costello Ted Cruz' sillibuster on ham and eggs, I can only guess some horrible avian-swine-flu crossover will have pig farmers dropping in their tracks within the week.

Originally Posted by farmerfloyd

Now even Hoffa Teamster doesnt want obumo care either, Anybody with a lick of sense that isnt a lazy bastard on the take wants this socialist Obumo care.
Just go to Thailand about 1/5 cost for a mans prostate operation $3000. versus
16,300 in Florida. THAT is what Obumo should be reducing is highest prices in world
and higher chance of death in catching incurable bugs in Hospitals.

Whoa!

Careful there floyd! Gonna get those TDMA members all worked up with them there facts instead of the 'whole truths' Obama fed them!

heh...guess some of them never heard of Bumrungrad and Samijewait (s) hospitals where your ability to get first-class health care exceeds anything this poster saw in the States...

"SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT?! BUT HOW WOULD WE EAT OR BREATHE?! This is a warning to Ted Cruz and all his ilk: If the government stops operating for even one day - chaos and cannibalism will reign in the streets. Mark my words. Yeah, a government shutdown would only impact "non-essential" federal government functions. And, yeah, some might even argue that the government should only be doing the essential things in the first place. But that will be of little solace when you're bleeding on the ground, being eaten alive by the starving masses. I can scarcely imagine the horror. If non-essential government agencies and departments are forced to close for a short period of time, that means we'll have to find a way to go without the Administration on Aging, and the Japan-United States Friendship Commission, and the Indian Arts and Crafts Board, and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. WHERE WILL I GET MY TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS?! You're playing with fire, conservatives. Civilization is bound together by the strong, steady hand of bureaucracy. If you loosen its grasp, you risk plunging us all into a dark, perilous land of individual responsibility and liberty. Our Founders fought and died to rescue us from such a fate, and I'll be damned if I sit here and let you undo their efforts."

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You gotta ask yourself why is Obama shutting down the Government? Why does this clown make these explicit threats to veto whatever the GOP sends him? His arrogance. His ego or his just plain stupidity...

The intransigence is all on the Democrat side btw... The White House announced this evening that it would veto any bill that includes a Republican proposal to delay Obamacare implementation and repeal a medical device tax.

Sure sounds like a job-killer to the most objective observer...

The Republicans are simply Blackmailers.

What a fucking mess the US government is in that these self-serving pinheads can do such a thing.

Every single one of them is bought and paid for by the Health Care industry or another special interest group.

Doesn't that bother you at all, Booners, or are you really that thick?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Doesn't that bother you at all, Booners, or are you really that thick?

It doesn't bother Ted Cruz, he's still a Canadian citizen so he can just nip over the border and get free healthcare whenever he wants it.

Ted Cruz’s origins continue to haunt him - Salon.com

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You gotta ask yourself why is Obama shutting down the Government? Why does this clown make these explicit threats to veto whatever the GOP sends him? His arrogance. His ego or his just plain stupidity...

The intransigence is all on the Democrat side btw... The White House announced this evening that it would veto any bill that includes a Republican proposal to delay Obamacare implementation and repeal a medical device tax.

Sure sounds like a job-killer to the most objective observer...

The Republicans are simply Blackmailers.

What a fucking mess the US government is in that these self-serving pinheads can do such a thing.

Every single one of them is bought and paid for by the Health Care industry or another special interest group.

Doesn't that bother you at all, Booners, or are you really that thick?

Don't get yer knickers in a twist there harry. The US Government has been shut down before with no lasting consequences. Obama must be made to understand he's not a King and the US has 3 branches of government. OK, he's somehow blackmailed Chief Justice Roberts into changing his vote on Obamacare probably thru his adopted kids situation so he figures (Obama) that he's got a lock on two of the branches, gonna go for the third. Roll right on over the pussified Republicans once again.

Big surprise - not happening this time.

Despite your fantasy, in just about every poll out there, more voters blame the Republicans for it than anyone else.

They simply are not fit to serve the people.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

in just about every poll out there, more voters blame the Republicans for it than anyone else.

TBH, i haven't seen a single poll which doesn't place more blame on the GOP....they've really put themselves in a bad spot.

but, many of us saw this coming back in 2010....and let's not forget, the GOP has no one to blame but themselves.

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, each of which passed the AHC over three years ago- following which it was confirmed by the Supreme Court.

and he was re-elected 10 months ago....when his challenger made it very clear that he would repeal the ACA on his first day in office. the american people didn't choose that guy. they chose the guy who is bringing them affordable health coverage.

boehner could easily pass a clean CR with dem votes....the only question is how long will it take him to cave and ignore the 'hastert rule'. when he does finally cave, he's finished as speaker.

btw, a little known fact....you don't have to be a member of the house to be elected speaker. some have posited that rafa cruz is gunning boehner's job.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama must be made to understand he's not a King and the US has 3 branches of government

Yes, each of which passed the AHC over three years ago- following which it was confirmed by the Supreme Court.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Big surprise - not happening this time

No it isn't- it happened over three years ago, and after 40 time wasting attempts to scrap it, it is quite obvious the petulant schoolboy 'republicans' do not deserve to serve in Congress or in any governmental capacity. They have totally betrayed the confidence entrusted in them as a political party in a democratic political system, and have made the US government the worlds laughing stock.

I wouldn't say people are laughing too much after the gigantics thefts they perpetrated the last time they were in power.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Despite your fantasy, in just about every poll out there, more voters blame the Republicans for it than anyone else.

They simply are not fit to serve the people.

The entire Congress with exception of a few like Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul etc are not fit to serve - I agree. And, it's not so much a big deal if the government shuts down, what folks should be afraid of is it starting up again.

well, it's official.

republicans just shut down the US govt because of health care reform.

keep in mind that the ACA was passed by both the house and senate, signed by the president, upheld by the supreme court, and was the biggest issue in the 2012 election.


let the polling begin.....and the inevitable cave by the GOP.

Almost 60 years ago, the last decent republican president wrote this-

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

And the irony is that the ACA is going into effect anyway.

Republicans are stoopid.

Shutdown Will Stop IRS Audits, But Not Obamacare Exchanges

The House and Senate are on pace for a government shutdown. After the Senate rejected language in the House-passed bill that would have defunded Obamacare, the lower chamber met over the weekend. The result was a continuing resolution that would scrap the medical device excise tax and delay Obamacare for one year. In response, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pledged to oppose the House measure. There seems almost no chance that a compromise will be reached by the deadline, so some government operations are expected to cease. That includes all IRS exam functions, according to the IRS’s shutdown plan, which was released late last week.

The IRS will continue to process electronic tax returns under its contingency plan, and it will take steps to protect data and continue criminal enforcement operations. But it won’t be able to perform exams, give phone assistance, or accept non-electronic returns. Only 9 percent of the agency’s personnel (about 8,700 of the 95,000 employees) will be allowed to work. The plan did not address what would happen if the shutdown continued into the filing season, but it said that if the situation lasted more than five days, the IRS would reevaluate its needs.

Very few people anticipate a long shutdown, and there was some chance that the House and Senate would come together on a short-term extension of current funding. In some ways, the IRS is fortunate that the crisis is occurring at the end of the year rather than the beginning, when any cessation of the agency’s operations could affect refunds and the all-important filing season. A government shutdown, however, will still do some damage to tax administration.

The essence of the contingency plan is that the IRS will essentially be crippled during any shutdown. But implementation of the Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obamacare) will proceed. That’s right — the October 1 launch date for many provisions of the ACA will be unaffected by any government shutdown. The Department of Health and Human Services contingency plan made it clear that healthcare exchanges will open on schedule. The IRS ACA office will have four employees, including its director, exempted from the shutdown.

ACA implementation can proceed because it is mandatory spending not tied to the annual appropriations bills. There is some legal wriggle room for HHS and the IRS to push forward on the ACA despite a shutdown, and, of course, the administration plans to use it. This isn’t new information. In July the Congressional Research Service informed Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn that a government shutdown would not cause all ACA functions to cease. The CRS, like HHS, cited the mandatory spending components of the ACA to support its finding.

So Republicans can’t win their fight against Obamacare simply by shutting down the government. Obstruction isn’t enough. ACA implementation will proceed whether a continuing resolution is agreed to or not. Republicans need to actually pass legislation. Their only hope for victory is to get the Democratic Senate to pass a bill that delays or defunds healthcare reform — and then for President Obama to sign it. No one, not even Sen. Ted Cruz, has ever outlined a plausible (or even an implausible) scenario for how that will happen.

So if House Republicans can’t destroy Obamacare, what is their goal? What is the endgame? That’s hard to know. In some ways, the GOP has already won on a key point. No one is talking about undoing the effects of the sequester. The focus on the ACA has shifted the debate from the harsh discretionary spending cuts to defunding efforts. So any possible “clean” continuing resolution will still include the sequester cuts. But Republicans have frittered away the political benefits of that triumph by making it seem as though this debate is all about the healthcare law. That means Democrats will seem like winners when Republicans inevitably have to accept the fact that Obama isn’t going to sign a bill that undoes his signature accomplishment.

Shutdown Will Stop IRS Audits, But Not Obamacare Exchanges - Forbes

^^^ What a bunch of morons. I mean they have no precedent or justification for this.

Well it's kinda fun watching the neo-republicans burn themselves, but meanwhile in the real world the US desperately needs another political party.... Seriously, a country of your size and power just cannot continue to exist with imbeciles like these a hairs breath away from a nuclear trigger, or another disastrous invasion.

The first thing that should be stopped in the shutdown is all politicians salary and allowances, but of course it won't be.

10-1 they cave before the end of the month....and it will likely come much sooner.

why?

funding for veterans' benefits will dry up in late october.

How government shutdown will start - POLITICO.com





oh and btw, as pointed out above.....obamacare enrollment hasn't been affected in the slightest by the shutdown.



nice work, GOP/ teaparty/conservatives/libertarians...or whatever you're calling yourselves this week.

Originally Posted by sabang

the US desperately needs another political party.

I have been saying this for years. The US would benefit from a few more parties to be honest however the system is set up in such away that it is almost impossible to get on the ballots nationally.