Thread: McDonald's Guide to Budgeting on Min. Wage

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Originally Posted by Koojo

He means for elected politicians.

Funny thing about TD.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Koojo again.

Originally Posted by barbaro

Incumbents have a high re-election rate.

Complacency - go with the status quo - we have always done it this way.

It is far better to accept the incompetent you know then to hazard the possible consequences of an unknown.

However, if a politician produces (an extremely rare scenario in US politics) it is noticed by the population and will be rewarded with re-election.

The problem with US politics is the people do NOT hold incumbents responsible for their contribution to the status quo. How can anyone say that a politician is doing their job when they vote 100% along party lines? We never "vote the incumbents out" even though their approval rating is below dismal.

Politicians are elected to vote for the desires of their constituents. Is it possible that a parties line is 100% in benefit of a voting blocks benefit?

The best guide for a macca's employee to get by on his or her shit wages in the US, is to be as shit an employee as their pay, and their food. Screw up as much of it as you can, and thus get to eat the spoilage. I'm a modern day Luddite.

Originally Posted by sabang

The best guide for a macca's employee to get by on his or her shit wages in the US, is to be as shit an employee as their pay, and their food. Screw up as much of it as you can, and thus get to eat the spoilage. I'm a modern day Luddite.

Even if the pay was better they would still be shit employees. It would never be enough for the average entitled American.

Originally Posted by bowie

The problem with raising the minimum wage ...

The corporations will not loose money, they will just pass the additional costs onto the consumers. After all, since the consumers are now making more money, they can afford to pay more, thereby gaining a net zero in their quest to earn a "living" wage.

The big losers ... the retirees who are living on a fixed income who will not receive the "boost" in their pay.

The solution to the problem is not raising the minimum wage.

Wages as with products are controlled by supply and demand, the real fix for low wages is an increase in demand. In the US the govt. needs to relax the unneeded restriction on corporations, and get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world, thus keeping jobs at home. Increase the number of jobs will naturally increase wages.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

I think he means to give them even more power and breaks so they will come back the the US and turn it into a giant low wage sweatshop.

This low wage work is a bigger problem than people not earning enough, western world, real jobs are going. Service industry is not the answer to unemployment, cheap labor is not going to fix a consumer society.
As more and more move over to low paid jobs they stop buying consumer goods, move people loss their better paid jobs, until you have a 3 rd. world economy

Just read that one in 5 adults in Australia live from pay day to pay day, no money to save or buy goods. Hand to mouth existence, not secure work, no bank loans or credit to buy wide screen TVs, new cars and white goods.

Car industry is finished in OZ, gone off shore with lots of other real jobs, comes a point when even cheap off shore goods are too expensive for the masses.
What happens then, wages go up in the 3rd world, down in the west, we become the new poor. Last time back in Geelong OZ, a town that had lots of industry, once, now has empty stores/shops. No one has expendable income, so they don't spend.

People need to earn to employ others, pay taxes etc, that's not happening and no governments are addressing the problem.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

No I mean getting the highest corporate tax rate in the world in line with other developed countries so there advantage to move out of the US

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bowie

The problem with raising the minimum wage ...

The corporations will not loose money, they will just pass the additional costs onto the consumers. After all, since the consumers are now making more money, they can afford to pay more, thereby gaining a net zero in their quest to earn a "living" wage.

The big losers ... the retirees who are living on a fixed income who will not receive the "boost" in their pay.

The solution to the problem is not raising the minimum wage.

Wages as with products are controlled by supply and demand, the real fix for low wages is an increase in demand. In the US the govt. needs to relax the unneeded restriction on corporations, and get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world, thus keeping jobs at home. Increase the number of jobs will naturally increase wages.

I guess you believe in trickle down economics? Allow our benevolent overlords to toss the hordes of peasants their leftovers while they own 95% of the wealth.

The only jobs being created are low wage, part time, no benefit other than having a job jobs. How can this possibly make things better for a regular person?

I assume you did not understand my post, considering you are not completely daft. Getting the corporate tax structure in line with other developed countries would be one incentive to get production of US factories rolling again. I myself don't consider a vibrant economy with decent livable wages trickle down economics, it has worked for years. If you have an alternate idea that will work in a free society please share.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

I think he means to give them even more power and breaks so they will come back the the US and turn it into a giant low wage sweatshop.

Please share your better ideas.

Originally Posted by bowie

Originally Posted by barbaro

Incumbents have a high re-election rate.

Complacency - go with the status quo - we have always done it this way.

There is no alternative. Parties don't matter.

You think anything is gonna change for workers trying to make ends meet..?
It's gonna get worse, much worse http://rosalux.gr/sites/default/file...s/ttip_web.pdf

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

I think he means to give them even more power and breaks so they will come back the the US and turn it into a giant low wage sweatshop.

Please share your better ideas.

Not my ideas but you could give this book a read. Was written in 1938 so not a new way of thinking.
For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or we could do something like a coop structure where each person is a part owner in a company. I think this would be much better at spreading the wealth around than our current feudal system where the employees are the peasants and the owner is lord.

Plus customer service would be better if people had a reason to be better at their job which they dont now for the most part.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by RPETER65

get corporate taxes in line with the rest of the developed world

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

I think he means to give them even more power and breaks so they will come back the the US and turn it into a giant low wage sweatshop.

Please share your better ideas.

Not my ideas but you could give this book a read. Was written in 1938 so not a new way of thinking.
For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or we could do something like a coop structure where each person is a part owner in a company. I think this would be much better at spreading the wealth around than our current feudal system where the employees are the peasants and the owner is lord.

Plus customer service would be better if people had a reason to be better at their job which they dont now for the most part.

We have corporations where the employees are part owner, they have benefit and wage packages competitive with similar corporations not employee owned. My question would how do you propose to implement this on a large scale?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by Humbert

You mean like getting companies like GE who have avoided paying billions in taxes to pony up?

I think he means to give them even more power and breaks so they will come back the the US and turn it into a giant low wage sweatshop.

Please share your better ideas.

Not my ideas but you could give this book a read. Was written in 1938 so not a new way of thinking.
For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or we could do something like a coop structure where each person is a part owner in a company. I think this would be much better at spreading the wealth around than our current feudal system where the employees are the peasants and the owner is lord.

Plus customer service would be better if people had a reason to be better at their job which they dont now for the most part.

We have corporations where the employees are part owner, they have benefit and wage packages competitive with similar corporations not employee owned. My question would how do you propose to implement this on a large scale?

Unfortunately the only way to implement this on a large scale would be to fundamentally change the way business's and corps are run which would mean changing how we teach people to run business's.

It boils down to ending our greed based culture to a more help your neighbors and everyone will mutually benefit way of life, but current events seem to show we are heading in the opposite direction.

Basically what I am saying is that there is a snowball's chance in hell of anything changing for the better unless some future cataclysm destroys the current model.

Originally Posted by Koojo

WTF is going on?

Greed Koojo, Like I said before it all boils down to greed. We are taught to be greedy right from the start. Our entire capitalistic culture is based on greed.

Like you said the unions were a great idea to better the blue collar workers life, but like everything else they got greedy and corruption ruined it for everyone.

Greed is why no system of Govt will ever work for the people. I think Communism and Socialism would work if you removed the human greed from the equation. No greed = no corruption.

We could all be living in what would essentially be paradise if we could get rid of the greedy fuckers that want everything for themselves at the expense of the rest.

Thats my answer. Figure out a way to eliminate greed and everything else will fall into place.

Capitalism doesn't need to be about greed.

Some famous guy, forget who said the best capitalist model was;

Make the best goods possible
For the Lowest price possible
While paying the highest wages possible.

Since global corporations have come along it has changed to

Make goods as poor as we can get away with
Charge as much as we can get away with
Move as many jobs to where labour is cheap as we can get away with
Pay wages as low as we can get away with
While paying ourselves as much as we can get away with

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Figure out a way to eliminate greed and everything else will fall into place.

No easy way to remove a basic human trait. Its really only possible by teaching the youngsters - even then not a high probability of success.

Unfortunately, a very basic and a very strong human trait is that we are competitive. This manifests itself in one-upmanship, sports, conflict, wars and, of course, as greed.

How do you un-train the competition out of people? We all can't be monks and priests.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Capitalism doesn't need to be about greed.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Necron99 again.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

I think Communism and Socialism would work

Indeed, they would. The basic principals provide a strong foundation.

However, just like religions, after humankind modifies the principals to conform with the "powers-that-be" interpretation, all bets are off.