Thread: Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

disguise the fact that he is quite a sad and frightened little man who sleeps with a loaded gun under his pillow.

I won't go into my wartime experiences but;

In Africa I used to sleep with a loaded .416 Remington Magnum. As a "sad and frightened little man", I had learned that lesson one night when a leopard stuck his head in the hut where I was sleeping.

This was in my pre-Buddhist days, back when I was hunting and shooting Cape buffalo and bull elephant and other dangerous game.

One of my Professional Hunters, instead of thinking of me as a "sad and frightened little man" was impressed enough with my demeanor when being charged by a wounded Cape buffalo or an enraged elephant, that he invited me on an "animal control" hunt for a lion that had escaped from Kruger National Park.

But I'm sure you are a much better judge of character (since you've never met me), then a man I hunted dangerous game with in two different African countries.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Ah crime stats. They are really interesting. In Denver it was proudly announced that the crime rate was falling. A closer look showed that the areas of crime that had dropped drastically were "theft of services", such as putting your trash in someone else's trash can, using your neighbor's WIFI, etc. Carjackings were actually up almost 30%. Other serious crimes were up as well.

Well that's proof you didn't read my link then. Perhaps you should go back and read it again and you will see that:

In Chicago from 1999 to 2011

-Murders dropped from 641 to 431
-Rapes dropped from 2469 to 1439 in 2009
-Robberies dropped from 20,210 to 13,975
-Assaults dropped from 28,027 to 12,408

etc, etc, etc.

Not exactly wifi theft, or putting trash in your neighbors trash can is it?

Santi

Originally Posted by RickThai

This was in my pre-Buddhist days, back when I was hunting and shooting Cape buffalo and bull elephant and other dangerous game.

So pre-buddhist you liked to shoot buffaloes and elephants and now that you have seen the light you want to shoot 15% of world's human population instead?

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by RickThai

Ah crime stats. They are really interesting. In Denver it was proudly announced that the crime rate was falling. A closer look showed that the areas of crime that had dropped drastically were "theft of services", such as putting your trash in someone else's trash can, using your neighbor's WIFI, etc. Carjackings were actually up almost 30%. Other serious crimes were up as well.

Well that's proof you didn't read my link then. Perhaps you should go back and read it again and you will see that:

In Chicago from 1999 to 2011

-Murders dropped from 641 to 431
-Rapes dropped from 2469 to 1439 in 2009
-Robberies dropped from 20,210 to 13,975
-Assaults dropped from 28,027 to 12,408

etc, etc, etc.

Not exactly wifi theft, or putting trash in your neighbors trash can is it?

Santi

You seem to have conveniently left out 2012 with over 500 murders. And as I stated, why should any decent citizen have to put up with those kind of crime levels?

We are not animals, yet we live in societies where people (a relatively small segment that commits multiple crimes) are allowed to committ crimes in the numbers you listed above, and yet people like you think life is good because of slight dips in the ridiculous amounts of crime being committed.

So apparently you think 400 plus murders and 1200 rapes in one large city in one year is acceptable?

Good grief!

RickThai

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by RickThai

This was in my pre-Buddhist days, back when I was hunting and shooting Cape buffalo and bull elephant and other dangerous game.

So pre-buddhist you liked to shoot buffaloes and elephants and now that you have seen the light you want to shoot 15% of world's human population instead?

In order to stop the kind of vicous crimes now being perpetrated regularly in the USA, I think someone (hopefully the people being attacked or the court system needs to start killing these types of people).

If I had been in the house with that poor women who was doing nothing but watching TV in her own home with her child, I would have gladly shot that intruder (even if it had meant that I would be Zimmerman'd by the "black horde").

Actually I saw another video yesterday, where a woman (Causcasion) was shopping in a Walmart with her two young children, when a large man (Negro) grabbed her two-year old out of the shopping basket and put a knife to her throat. Apparently he was pissed off at some cop (the guy had a lengthy arrest record and was an ex-con). After the police arrived, the guy still refused to let the little girl go. He then announced he was going to count to 60 and then cut the girl's throat.

As he started counting, a cop ran up and shot him point blank in the head, killing him instantly. Good riddance I say.

I think it is up to all decent, people to help defend innocent people (especially women and children) from vicious hard-core criminals. I believe private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime "dead" in its tracks.

To do anything less is cowardly.

And as I asked before, do you have an better alternatives?

RickThai

I have a better alternative for you. Take your scary big gun and go after some billionaires and their political lackeys. The poor negroes are cogs in the machine, just like you. They typically don't become criminals when they grew up middle class, and have a choice. To instigate cogs against each other is the strategy of the people at the controls. Take them out. They're not 15%, not even 0,1%. Make it count.

Originally Posted by RickThai

So apparently you think 400 plus murders and 1200 rapes in one large city in one year is acceptable?

Population of Chicago is around 2.7 million.

Were you one of those that kept saying 99.95% of guns are harmless?

Well it looks like 99.98% of Chicago's population don't kill....
...and 99.94% don't kill nor rape

How you gonna justify killing 15% of 'em?

Originally Posted by RickThai

So apparently you think 400 plus murders and 1200 rapes in one large city in one year is acceptable?

Coming from a guy that thinks it's acceptable to kill 15% of Americans, that's pretty rich.

Oh...and another thing. There's nothing further to the left than Buddhism. Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by RickThai

This was in my pre-Buddhist days, back when I was hunting and shooting Cape buffalo and bull elephant and other dangerous game.

So pre-buddhist you liked to shoot buffaloes and elephants and now that you have seen the light you want to shoot 15% of world's human population instead?

Strange reasoning, on par, well done.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

I have a better alternative for you. Take your scary big gun and go after some billionaires and their political lackeys. The poor negroes are cogs in the machine, just like you. They typically don't become criminals when they grew up middle class, and have a choice. To instigate cogs against each other is the strategy of the people at the controls. Take them out. They're not 15%, not even 0,1%. Make it count.

I don't often respond to your posts, for rather obvious reasons, but not even you, surely, could believe that the poor negro becomes a criminal because he is not middle class and therefore has no choice in the matter.

The implications could lead to injury when jaws hit the floor.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Once all the law enforcement people decide t

. . . so argues a 7-year old . . .

Originally Posted by RickThai

All evidence (and current testimony) points to the fact that Zimmerman was lawfully following Martin, and Martin hid in some bushes and ambushed Zimmerman. It was only after Zimmerman was being pounded that he shot Martin.

No, it doesn't actually and we will have to wait until the all the facts come out - not that facts are important to you

Originally Posted by RickThai

"black horde"

Originally Posted by RickThai

Negros

Originally Posted by RickThai

"black horde"

Originally Posted by RickThai

Negro

There seems to be a pattern here . . . you're a bigot, of course. May I ask the colour of your husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend's skin? Lily-white, I'm sure

Originally Posted by RickThai

So now you are clairvoyant and can actually see into the persona of other posters from afar and diagnose personality disorders.

I knew you were going to write that and you are clearly a paranoid schizophrenic sociopath with delusions of grandeur . . . simple diagnosis

Originally Posted by RickThai

With these gifts you must be extremely wealthy and busy. However do you find the time to post on a forum?

Because I am wealthy and busy I delegate - logic 101

Originally Posted by RickThai

Spend some time in Saudi Arabia and you might change your mind irrespective of what Google turns up.

If you want to use SA as a shining example then why don't YOU go live there? Too repressive? Can't be

Originally Posted by RickThai

I won't go into my wartime experiences but;

No, please don't - fairy tales are so sad coming from an old man ejaculating over dreams of having been in the SAS, GSG9, Green Berets etc . . .

Originally Posted by RickThai

In Africa I used to sleep with a loaded .416 Remington Magnum.

You should try sleeping with women instead for a change.

Originally Posted by RickThai

As a "sad and frightened little man", I had learned that lesson one night when a leopard stuck his head in the hut where I was sleeping.

Wrong kind of pussy, Tarzan

Originally Posted by pickel

Well that's proof you didn't read my link then.

You expected him to?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

So pre-buddhist you liked to shoot buffaloes and elephants and now that you have seen the light you want to shoot 15% of world's human population instead?

Shifted priorities . . .

RickThai's favourite gun

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

No, please don't - fairy tales are so sad coming from an old man ejaculating over dreams of having been in the SAS, GSG9, Green Berets etc . . .

I don't think those were around during the Spanish-American war.

Originally Posted by leemo

surely, could believe that the poor negro becomes a criminal because he is not middle class and therefore has no choice in the matter.

Not quite, but Marxist put forward a theory about capitalism and crime...no better place than the good ol' USofA to show theory in practice....
Criminology: Marxist approach to crime

Why not go the whole nine yards and kill off all but the 2%....

Okie,

You must really have feelings of inadequacy based upon the childish comments you make when attacking me.

I am curious, just what have you accomplished in your life to date?

RickThai

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

No, please don't - fairy tales are so sad coming from an old man ejaculating over dreams of having been in the SAS, GSG9, Green Berets etc . . .

I don't think those were around during the Spanish-American war.

qc,

I still haven't seen you post anything on how you would propose to stop all the violent crime now plaguing the large cities of the USA. Or do you think think the current levels of rape, assault, and murder are "acceptable"?

RickThai

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by RickThai

So apparently you think 400 plus murders and 1200 rapes in one large city in one year is acceptable?

Population of Chicago is around 2.7 million.

Were you one of those that kept saying 99.95% of guns are harmless?

Well it looks like 99.98% of Chicago's population don't kill....
...and 99.94% don't kill nor rape

How you gonna justify killing 15% of 'em?

Add in violent assaults and then see what percentage you get. Regardless of the percentage, those people who commit violent crimes need to be stopped one way or another. Anyone who is an apologist for hard-core criminals needs to live with them for a couple of months and then they might get an understanding of the mindset of those people.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Add in violent assaults and then see what percentage you get. Regardless of the percentage, those people who commit violent crimes need to be stopped one way or another. Anyone who is an apologist for hard-core criminals needs to live with them for a couple of months and then they might get an understanding of the mindset of those people.

Even if you add up all the crime in Chicago in a year you only get 0.54% of the population.

However, the point I was making was to turn around those percentages thrown at us by the gun brigade back in their faces....99.89% of the Chicago population did not suffer from violent crime.

Do you really think that if you removed all the people from the US who have committed a crime, or look like they might, then crime would suddenly stop?

Originally Posted by RickThai

I believe private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime "dead" in its tracks.

Yep, in the good old US of A it's certainly a work in progress

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Originally Posted by RickThai

I believe private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime "dead" in its tracks.

Yep, in the good old US of A it's certainly a work in progress

Yes, the approach of killing them young before they turn into criminals is certainly a novel approach.

If you are a clean American and reading this, you have the right to bear arms. You sit in a home or office, perfectly safe and sound. You do not have to worry about an invading army marching down our sidewalk, cowering and begging for mercy as did the French during Hitler’s invasion. Every nation on Earth knows that the civilians of America can form a militia army, the same army that defeated the most oppresive empire in Earth’s history and become the first nation to claim independence from Great Britain.

America’s second greatest right, right after our freedom to speak our minds, is the right to bear arms. Atheists will try to lie and say the Constitution is not based on Biblical principle, but all of them want to deny our founding fathers were Christians who were acting under the influence of God.

Every law in the Constitution is based on Biblical tradition. Our laws regarding weapons are no different.

Cain and Abel

The liberal maniacs are trying their best to disarm America. As we speak, China has threatened President Obama and demanded that all Americans lose our right to bear arms. Why is China so suddenly interested in stealing our freedom and making sure America’s households have no weapons?

The Chinese army is over 1 billion strong and as reported by Dr. August Weisz of the Seattle based Progressive Society for a Better America Institute, is showing strong bias in controlling America’s ability to defend itself. China is jealous of America’s continued position as the premier economy and superpower of nations, even during a recession, and is ready to take aggressive means to become the dominant nation on Earth.

The scenario that is playing out is the same scenario of Cain and Abel, in the Bible. Abel was God’s chosen son, a man who happily gave his fattest calf to offer as burnt offering before his Creator. Cain was greedy and petty, always looking to exploit a situation and murdered Abel out of jealousy. Cain was primal than Abel and killed his brother.

Cain did not have a gun. Cain used a primitive, blunt-force object when killing his brother. Be assured that if Abel had a gun, he could have defended himself against his lunatic brother. What lesson do we learn from Cain and Abel, and as it is applied now, China and America?

In Genesis Gen. 9:5-6, we see God did not ban weapons. Though Cain did use a weapon against Abel, God did not jump to foolish conclusions like we see ABC news, Barack Obama and Joseph Biden trying to do right now. God punished Cain, marking him a sinner and instituted capital punishment. Guns do not kill people. Blunt objects do not randomly levitate and choose to kill people.

When it comes to murder, a deranged person chooses to find a way to kill. To be dumb and foolish enough to think that banning assault weapons or a 1776 issue gun will get rid of that fact, is akin to being the most braindead, naive person on Earth.



Human history tells us a simple truth: some people are prone to murder other human beings. The problem is not gun control: rarely do people who legitimately own and respect guns commit violence. If guns are so widespread in America, where we can buy them at a Wal-mart, wouldn’t we have a tragedy like Sandy Hook three times a day if gun violence were truly something widespread and caused simply by owning guns?

The problem is that crazy people will find ways to execute evil. Did we really expect people to use airplanes as a weapon to murder over 3,000 people on 9/11? Were the good people of Oklahoma prepared to see tragedy after a deranged man improvised an explosive device to inflict damage on innocent, good people?

Americans who are good should not be punished and lose their rights, just because we have mentally ill, violent or criminal people who would hurt others beyond the scope of law.

Exodus 22:2-3 states: “If the thief is found
breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his
bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.
He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for
his theft.”

Exodus 22:2 is the foundation for the right to defending one’s property (in Declaration of Independence and Constitution) and in a more modern application, the popular stand-your-ground law.

Many states recognize a person’s need and right to defend their home from a break-in or robbery, allowing the home owner to use physical force to ensure the safety of their family. If a rapist is wandering through your house at 2am in Kansas, knife held to the throat of your daughter, you have a right to use whatever force to get him out of your house. Pleading and begging only go so far. In that case, a use of a gun for personal defense could be warranted.

As Proverbs 25:26, puts it: “A righteous man who falters before the wicked is like a murky spring and a polluted well.”

If you are trying to defend your family from a violent thief with logic and rhetoric, you are a damned fool. Deranged lunatics who intend to harm do not respond to words. If the opposite were true, the United States would not need an Army. We could have talked Hitler down from the atrocities of the Holocaust. We would not hear numerous stories about terrorists strapping bombs to themselves to blow up malls, restaurants and civic buildings. Humanity would all skip around, holding hands and basting in unicorn sunshine and pastel colored bunny happiness.

But we all know that in reality, there will always be some people who are evil and we must at all times have an ultimate defense for ourselves, at a home level and a national level. This is why the founding fathers gave the American public the right to bear ams, including assault weapons, for at times your home may need to be defended. At times, it may be your city or your country.

Do not forget, America has the right to form a militia and as we seen right now in Syria, overturn our own government should it ever be ruled by an oppressive and human-rights violating dictator. That task would already be tough, but it would be near impossible if armed only with Rachel Maddow or John Stewart’s snark, Huffpost’s liberal spoutings of naive nonsense or rocks and stones. We must have guns to defend freedom.

The founding fathers granted us the right and we must never let it be taken away.

Ezekiel 18:20″the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself” .

The liberal media is trying to make good people who own guns or even make guns the criminals in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre? Why should a good man who owns guns fairly and uses them to hunt, shoot clay pigeons or simply to defend his home, or simply just because the Constitution grants him the right, be punished for the actions of one Adam Lanza?

Should we throw every producer of fertilizer in the electric chair and make cows illegal in America, since Timothy McVeigh used cow manure to make an explosive device that killed innocent people? The logic is the same. Bombs have far more deadly impact than guns and quite frankly could be easier to transport and use to inflict mass casualty before offing oneself. Why would we be in the habit of creating a witch-hunt for those not responsible for a crime, unless there was an underlying bias and politicking?

Just like some Christian fanatics hate atheists or science as a default setting, for no real reaosn, there are liberal politicians who hate guns for no reason other than they have always hated them and have an underlying desire to see them gone from the hands of their ‘enemies’, namely Republicans, ‘good ol’ boys’ and the NRA. In their minds, there is some ideaological battle that must be won, when in reality, there is no battle that needs to be fought amongst ourselves.

Law-abiding citizens are just fine with guns. Scientists are just fine teaching evolution. Atheists have every right to say there is no ‘God’ and that the Bible is not proof we should have rights to guns. None of these thoughts are actions are harmful and all is protected by the Constitution.

But the day an atheist, citizen, scientist or any other person commits an act of violence, then they become a criminal. Their actions do not make gun-ownership, atheism, science or Constitutional law errant or bad, it just makes themselves bad. And it is them, and those like them, we must learn how to handle.

Biblical Proof That all Americans Have Right to Bear Arms and Assault Weapons at Birth • ChristWire

Originally Posted by RickThai

I think it is up to all decent, people to help defend innocent people (especially women and children) from vicious hard-core criminals. I believe private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime "dead" in its tracks.

To do anything less is cowardly.

And as I asked before, do you have an better alternatives?

RickThai

I feel the same way.

And the alternative cannot be innocent citizens giving up our guns. If we do so, we are sitting ducks for the few, but lethally dangerous people/criminals who will always carry weapons.

Originally Posted by RickThai

qc,

I still haven't seen you post anything on how you would propose to stop all the violent crime now plaguing the large cities of the USA. Or do you think think the current levels of rape, assault, and murder are "acceptable"?

RickThai

Wait, you mean you think you are entitled to serious answers in your little thread, and want to get them via patently loaded and ridiculous questions?

Well, allow me to laugh harder!

Originally Posted by sabang

Exodus 22:2-3 states: “If the thief is found
breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his
bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.
He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for
his theft.”

Exodus 22:2 is the foundation for the right to defending one’s property (in Declaration of Independence and Constitution) and in a more modern application, the popular stand-your-ground law.

This is a joke....right? Tongue-in-cheek at the least...I hope.

I mean O.T. ..... You believe in Genesis as well?

Even if you did believe in this then the interpretation is wrong.

A thief that breaks-in at night does so at his own risk. Easily mistaken for a wild animal and likely to be killed in the confusion.

A thief that breaks in during the day cannot be mistaken for a wild animal and so cannot be killed.

How does that make it to the stand-your-ground law?

I think Genesis was basically covering the ground rules for a first time offender. Later chapters of the Holy testament affirm that repeat offenders can expect no such lenience. Godly people stand their ground and shoot transgressors on sight, to protect innocent babies.