Thread: Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

having a gun in her house in that situation is not sure defense from what happened in that video. would she of had time to get to the firearm? would he have taken a bullet and got up? not every bullet puts a man down.

on the other hand yes if she had a firearm close by and knew what to do with it she could of killed that piece of shit...

a firearm is not the end all be all to every situation.

but yes that video is fucked up...

Originally Posted by RickThai

apparently ignored by all the major TV news shows

I saw it here in Honolulu the other day on the news...

She would have most likely been caught reaching for it and had it taken away and used against her, and possibly her kids.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/millburn_video_beating_arrest.html


well they got him... what a piece of shit...



career criminal... if fucking republicans would quit giving petty drug criminals draconian sentences there would be more room for wastes of oxygen like this. but no... career criminals spend 10 months in jail and some guy with $25 worth of dope does 10-20 years....

^ If he is a career criminal why would the 'three strikes, you're out' rule not have applied ages ago, or is this a state-by-state directive?

yes its only certain states... unless its a petty drug possession then there is federal mandatory minimum sentence...

A gun comes handy when it's in the fist already, and the next steps of what to do firmly envisioned, when committing a crime for example. If you have to scramble for it, forget it.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

What's that got to do with it?

If the guy was a citizen then by RockThar's assertion he should have been armed.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

What's that got to do with it?

If the guy was a citizen then by RockThar's assertion he should have been armed.

Well, that's not a bad idea.

Checked out Switzerland lately have you?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Booners, you're an idiot.

The truth is that rapes went up from 871 to 913, an INCREASE of around 5%.

Florida Crime Rates 1960 - 2011

BM, you've tried the Switzerland example before and it doesn't hold water . . . and your stats above are . . . well, laughable.

There are some good arguments for limited firearms possession but this wholesale bastardisation of 'facts' is simply off the wall

^
Well, let's see if you agree with this one:



Why doesn't the Swiss example hold water?

I don't because it's built on childish bases. :-)

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I don't because it's built on childish bases. :-)

OK but what about the Swiss example? America too big & diverse?

Because you can't just say that Switzerland is safer because every male who has or is doing his military service has a rifle at home and then extrapolate that to the whole world. You simply can't.

Your thinking that the more guns in a society, the safer that society is - another bit of false logic. This simply isn't true.

'For every bad man with a gun there must be a good man with a gun' is another idiocy I find astounding . . . how many bad people are there in the US? Ten million? Twenty? How about fifty . . . that's a huge percentage.
Ok, 50 million people are bad, so there should only be 50 million guns in private hands . . . THAT is logic (albeit weird logic following the weird initial assertion).

Now comes the fun . . . which 50 million 'good' people are allowed to have these guns . . .

etc etc etc etc . . . you can follow this line of 'reasoning' as long as you like and it is . . . ridiculous

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I don't because it's built on childish bases. :-)

OK but what about the Swiss example? America too big & diverse?

Switzerland is socialist and civilized? No doubt there are people like this in the US, but there's your kind as well.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Since the beginning of time, bad people have done bad things. Thanks to guns, we now have the means to defend ourselves from those people.

What a ridiculous, simplistic and idiotic statement.

"now"? So nobody ever defended themselves from anything before the invention of the gun?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

A gun comes handy when it's in the fist already, and the next steps of what to do firmly envisioned, when committing a crime for example. If you have to scramble for it, forget it.

Absolutely right.

If the law allows you to have a suitable gun for self defence in the home and you feel the need to have one, then by all means do so. However, it's not a complete solution, even if you leave it loaded and handy where even the kids can get hold of it. If you feel vulnerable in the home, then you should have other lines of security and self defence with the gun being the one of last resort.

Originally Posted by Morden

even if you leave it loaded and handy where even the kids can get hold of it

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Morden

even if you leave it loaded and handy where even the kids can get hold of it

I was trying to make the point that having a gun immediately to hand and loaded in a family home is dangerous and to get hold of one that's kept safely takes time - hence the need for safer and more readily accessible methods as a first resort.

Sorry, I could have expressed that more clearly.

Got it, thanks

Again y'all are looking at the problem just from the symptoms and not examining the cause.
Could it possibly be because draconian drug laws turn average people into criminals and instigates the evolution of drug gangs and international drug cartels, who in turn fuel political terrorists? It's really; lose, lose, lose, no mater how you look at it.

More guns, less guns isn't really the issue is it! It's about overzealous government control.

Let's please try to wake up and see the root cause of the problem and cease to flail away at the symptoms. The bigger government get's and the more money they throw at it the worse it get's, wake up!
Bring back liberty and the associated responsibility.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I don't because it's built on childish bases. :-)

OK but what about the Swiss example? America too big & diverse?

Switzerland is socialist and civilized? No doubt there are people like this in the US, but there's your kind as well.

My kind?