Thread: Social Terrorism

^ Let me say it again. I think its hypocritical for "men," to debate abortion. That's why its called a women's rights issue.

You don't have the baby, she does. You help impregnate the embryo, but after that you're services are no longer required or needed. Thinking pragmatically, you as a male have no say in the matter.

What you want and what a woman wants to do with her own body and fetus has long ago left the realm of self righteous "right to lifers."

I don't think a man has any say in this issue. Perhaps you can rebut that and sure that you will, but as for me, that's just how it is imo.

In a world where babies starve to death more often than aborted I would consider it an act of kindness to abort instead of bringing another unwanted child of poverty or other. Its against the law in India...sad that.

I agree...it's commonsense.
So how many Right To Lifers are women, anyway ?

Well L.D. I really wouldn't know. Nor would I care to know. What I do know is there are 309,000 babies who die at birth in India every year according to a recent study posted on Reuters News service. They call them "Butterfly Babies due to their short life spans.

When you start having babies let me and everyone else know O.K.

Originally Posted by ltnt

^ Let me say it again. I think its hypocritical for "men," to debate abortion. That's why its called a women's rights issue.

That's what it is called by some people. Calling a rose a petunia doesn't make it one.

Originally Posted by ltnt

^
What you want and what a woman wants to do with her own body and fetus has long ago left the realm of self righteous "right to lifers."

So you are stating categorically that the unborn baby is the absolute property of the pregnant woman and can be disposed of how she sees fit?

Originally Posted by ltnt

^I don't think a man has any say in this issue.

So why would any woman who is incapable of conceiving have any more say in the issue than a man????????????

Originally Posted by ltnt

^In a world where babies starve to death more often than aborted I would consider it an act of kindness to abort instead of bringing another unwanted child of poverty or other. Its against the law in India...sad that.

With life there is at least a chance to flourish. Being murdered in the womb for sake of convenience is a horrible crime against nature IMO.


But you are certainly entitled to your views. Too bad the babies views can't be heard as well!

I wonder how many women who have had abortions will regret it during some point of their life or upon their deathbed. Perhaps in the afterlife they will have a chance to explain to their unborn babies why they thought it best to kill them.

I am very glad that my wife and I will never have to worry about that.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

But you are certainly entitled to your views. Too bad the babies views can't be heard as well!

Tell that to all the babies that are born into poverty and disease. More self righteous B.S. Rik. The problem with babies in the 21st Century is the over-population of the planet and its dwendeling resources. One would think according to those "right to life," folks that the general population can continue to increase and natural resources will never dwendel into obscurity. Whats another baby in this ever increasing over populated world?

Originally Posted by RickThai

I wonder how many women who have had abortions will regret it during some point of their life or upon their deathbed.

Not many and if they regret it it was their decision not yours to make.

Perhaps in the afterlife they will have a chance to explain to their unborn babies why they thought it best to kill them.

Perhaps, but you'll never know will you? would you rather they die of starvation, or of disease or neglect or of bombs, or some other human form of suffering inflicted upon them? Who's the killer here?

I suggest that you revisit that Buddhist library of yours for some thought about your thoughts and how they reflect upon you. Condemning/passing judgement on folks isn't your job.

Florida Abortion Clinic Stuffs Baby Born Alive Into A Biohazard Bag And Left Alone to Die On Roof:



Sycloria Williams was recovering from a botched abortion at her Pompano, Fla., home on July 21, 2006, when two homicide detectives knocked on her door. They asked if she knew why they were there. “Yes,” Williams said immediately. “Because the baby was born alive.”

It took investigators one week and three separate searches to find the corpse of Williams’s infant, which was hidden away in the abortion clinic in Hialeah, Fla. It was a tiny black girl, only 25.5 centimeters from head to toe, born prematurely on July 20. Her body was badly decomposed, discolored and infested with maggots, but the autopsy report and an expert physician’s review both suggested she had drawn breath on her own before she died.

The body had been hidden, according to a tip received by the police, on the roof or perhaps in the dropped ceiling of the abortion clinic, then later in a biohazard bag within a medical-waste box in the malodorous recovery room. Florida’s Department of Health later alleged that Williams’s doctor had “falsified [her] medical records in an apparent effort to conceal his errors and the true events of July 20, 2006.”


Real Charming

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Statist Media

A much more accurate term than 'libbie media'.

And because some clinic or doctor stuffs up or acts illegally is not an issue for debating pro-choice/ pro-life- it is a law enforcement and regulatory oversight issue.

Originally Posted by sabang

regulatory oversight issue.

Always amusing when Boon Mee argues in favour of things he is supposed to be against!

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by sabang

regulatory oversight issue.

Always amusing when Boon Mee argues in favour of things he is supposed to be against!

And you do have an example to share with us?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by RickThai

But you are certainly entitled to your views. Too bad the babies views can't be heard as well!

Tell that to all the babies that are born into poverty and disease. More self righteous B.S. Rik. The problem with babies in the 21st Century is the over-population of the planet and its dwendeling resources. One would think according to those "right to life," folks that the general population can continue to increase and natural resources will never dwendel into obscurity. Whats another baby in this ever increasing over populated world?

Originally Posted by RickThai

I wonder how many women who have had abortions will regret it during some point of their life or upon their deathbed.

Not many and if they regret it it was their decision not yours to make.

Perhaps in the afterlife they will have a chance to explain to their unborn babies why they thought it best to kill them.

Perhaps, but you'll never know will you? would you rather they die of starvation, or of disease or neglect or of bombs, or some other human form of suffering inflicted upon them? Who's the killer here?

I suggest that you revisit that Buddhist library of yours for some thought about your thoughts and how they reflect upon you. Condemning/passing judgement on folks isn't your job.

Buddhist dhamma states that life begins at conception.

I do agree that the world is being overpopulated by human beings, but I strongly disagree that the solution is killing unborn babies!

Perhaps abstinence or birth control could be used? What! Take away a woman's right to have unprotected sex whenever she wants! Shame on me.

As far as condemning or passing judgement on people, I am just posting my opinions like every other poster.

I think killing unborn babies for any reason other than to prevent the certain death of the mother is a crime against nature. That's my belief.

I also believe that killing unborn babies effects all human beings, male and female, (not just women) and thus is a issue for humanity to consider.

If by believing and expressing those opinions in a forum makes me a bad Buddhist (which I doubt), then my kamma will suffer.

I do wish, however, posters with opposing views would debate my logic, rather than just "fear bite" in response.

I suspect it is because most of my posts hit rather "too close to the truth", so rather than debate the premises or fault the logic, they just bite.

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Buddhist dhamma states that life begins at conception.



I think killing unborn babies for any reason other than to prevent the certain death of the mother is a crime against nature. That's my belief.

I also believe that killing unborn babies effects all human beings, male and female, (not just women) and thus is a issue for humanity to consider.

I have an idea that Buddhist Dharma states something about individuality arising at fetal age of 6 months. Or perhaps that's just one branch of Buddhism ??

We need to look at both sides of the coin, Rick. Yes, it does seem nasty to kill a fetus. But what is the alternative ? The state taking over the mother's life and FORCING her to have a baby ?

And where does the crime begin ? Does a woman's taking the "morning after" pill constitute a crime, do you think ?

In my view it is only right and sensible to allow women to keep control of what goes on in their own bodies.

Originally Posted by ltnt

^ Let me say it again. I think its hypocritical for "men," to debate abortion. That's why its called a women's rights issue.

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Yes, but generally the 'rights' are confered by men, as they should be, therefore we would naturally be involved in any discussion on the issue.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I suspect it is because most of my posts hit rather "too close to the truth",

Actually, the truth is you have a very narrow view of the topic and find it effective to post self serving statements regarding conception, women's rights, male dominance, when life begins, murder etc. Actually you have no valid point, don't you get it?

Perhaps you'd like to lay on us the Catholic version of life and abstinence?

Suggest you read ENT's post to you regarding Buddhist principles on a different thread before you post your sanctimonious crap versions.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Yes, but generally the 'rights' are conferred by men,

Sadly you are pretty much on target with that. Nice bit of sarcasm.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by RickThai

I suspect it is because most of my posts hit rather "too close to the truth",

Actually, the truth is you have a very narrow view of the topic and find it effective to post self serving statements regarding conception, women's rights, male dominance, when life begins, murder etc. Actually you have no valid point, don't you get it?

I would think my view is much wider than yours. You repeatedly state "Women's issue only." yet you never responded as to whether women currently unable to conceive should be allowed into this select group. I am curious to your thoughts.

Using similar logic, if men were regularly raping little boys, do you think it should be a "Mans issue only" because only men have penises? Of course not!


Also you repeatedly use the rationale of "starving children". Most starving children are born into 3rd world cultures where abortion is not readily available. Most abortions occur in developed regions where child starvation is non-existent.

And finally, how are my comments self-serving? They are just my views based upon my values.

As a woman (I assume you are female), your views are potentially much more self-serving than mine. Perhaps you've had an abortion and crave social/legal acceptance. Perhaps you want the option of having an abortion if its convenient.

I don't know, and I don't particularly care to know as it is your life.

All unborn babies need is an extra 180 - 240 days in order to have a chance to live out their lives, independent of the mother's womb. Is that to much to give to them?


Seems like a no-brainer to me.


RickThai

^What! Please refer yourself to the nearest mental ward. Have you been reading the replies to your posts at all?

Originally Posted by ltnt

^What! Please refer yourself to the nearest mental ward. Have you been reading the replies to your posts at all?

I am sorry but I still didn't find any response to my question about women who are unable to conceive... are they included as part of the "Woman Issue" groups?

Instead of any valid responses to any of the points I have brought up I keep reading:

"Children are starving - so killing unborn babies is okay".

Fetal "identity starts at 6 months" (same as life, not!).

Could you please give me a clear answer on my question about what women should be included on the "Women Issue Only" premise?

I'll certainly read it carefully.

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Buddhist dhamma states that life begins at conception.

I do agree that the world is being overpopulated by human beings, but I strongly disagree that the solution is killing unborn babies!

Perhaps abstinence or birth control could be used? What! Take away a woman's right to have unprotected sex whenever she wants! Shame on me.

As far as condemning or passing judgement on people, I am just posting my opinions like every other poster.

I think killing unborn babies for any reason other than to prevent the certain death of the mother is a crime against nature. That's my belief.

I also believe that killing unborn babies effects all human beings, male and female, (not just women) and thus is a issue for humanity to consider.

If by believing and expressing those opinions in a forum makes me a bad Buddhist (which I doubt), then my kamma will suffer.

I do wish, however, posters with opposing views would debate my logic, rather than just "fear bite" in response.

I suspect it is because most of my posts hit rather "too close to the truth", so rather than debate the premises or fault the logic, they just bite.

Santi,

RickThai

Rick, I'll show you a picture of Sycloria Williams.



Here is your own thread were you state your desire to leave the US "due to the large increase in crime being committed by a growing inner-city population of primarily Negro..." https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...ht-flight.html (Right Flight)

So what's your problem with the abortion of a criminal fetus?

Originally Posted by ltnt

^ Let me say it again. I think its hypocritical for "men," to debate abortion. That's why its called a women's rights issue.

You don't have the baby, she does. You help impregnate the embryo, but after that you're services are no longer required or needed. Thinking pragmatically, you as a male have no say in the matter.

Ok, fathers have no say on the matter of abortion. No problem. Let's add a small change to the law, that the mother and child forfeit child support by the father in case he wishes an abortion, and she doesn't.

Originally Posted by RickThai

3rd world cultures where abortion is not readily available. Most abortions occur in developed regions

Proper, medical procedure abortion is not readily available there. They use knitting needles and coat hangers, and some women die as a result of the backyard procedure.
They probably use herbs too.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Proper, medical procedure abortion is not readily available there. They use knitting needles and coat hangers, and some women die as a result of the backyard procedure. They probably use herbs too.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Proper, medical procedure abortion is not readily available there. They use knitting needles and coat hangers, and some women die as a result of the backyard procedure. They probably use herbs too.

Still dodging post #115 we see...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Still dodging post #115 we see..

What is there to dodge?

I am not going to reinforce your sense of entitlement by responding to every idiotic thing you spew out, I'll pick and choose which of the idiotic things you spew out that I wish to respond to thank you.

If you don't like that then that's your problem, not mine. Take some personal responsibility.