Thread: Homophobia - Progressive Intimidation?

On another thread, I was called a raging homophobe (as well as nasty, horrible, and intolerant) because I posted some opinions on homosexuality that were not politically correct.

The observations I made were:

a) I personally think a man inserting his penis in another man's arsehole is disgusting.

b) Homosexuality is a form of deviant sex that is unnatural and is probably due to a physical or psychological disorder.

Having stated that, I also stated that I had no issues with same-sex marriage.

Now the term "homophobia" is widely used by liberals to describe anyone who says anything critical of homosexuals.

It is certainly a misnomer as "phobia" means an "unreasonable fear". Most of the people I know who are critical of homosexuality have absolutely no fear of homosexuals; they just object to homosexuality for reasons of religion, etc.

I believe the net results of accusations of "homophobe", much like accusations of "racist" is to stifle healthy discussion and intimidate people from voicing opposing views. This form of intimidation is widely used by liberals and other so-called progressives.

By stifling discussion I think they are doing a disservice to homosexuals and minorities, and society in general, because issues can never be resolved without open and honest discussion.

As for my statements/opinions on homosexuality, I believe my personal disgust on the physical aspects of male-to-male sex, is a natural reaction (much like aversion to feces because of smell, etc. is nature's way of telling you not to eat your own waste).

As to homosexuality being deviant sex, studies estimate that less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

As far as believing homosexuality is unnatural. Biology teaches that the strongest instincts most mammals display are those of self-preservation and preservation of species. Sometimes preservation of species actually trumps self-preservation. Homosexuality completely goes against preservation of species, (and due to HIV/AIDS) and also puts those individuals into a high risk category. Therefore, homosexuality seems pretty un-natural to me.

In any event, the soundness of my logic/observations aside, why do liberals/progressive try to drown out or stifle any meaningful dialog that is contrary to theirs?

Comments?

RickThai

bloody gays eh!

Santi....Khun RickThai.

Those who speak the loudest.







Poof.

Well it's good you are giving it a lot of considered thought and posting about it on an Internet forum.......personally, I have other interests..

Originally Posted by RickThai

politically correct.

It's you who say it has anything to do with political correctness, not others. Most people would say it has to do with decency and tolerance.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I personally think a man inserting his penis in another man's arsehole is disgusting.

And yet you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about it. Weird huh!

Originally Posted by RickThai

less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

You obviously don't understand the word deviant. It has nothing to do with the percentage. Less than 7% of people like Opera music (probably) are they deviants in your world?

de·vi·ant

Adjective
Departing from usual or accepted standards, esp. in social or sexual behavior.
Noun
A deviant person or thing.

Originally Posted by RickThai

less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

By definition, most people believe homosexuality to be an "accepted social standard" so it is you who is deviating from "usual or accepted standards" by having an issue with it.

So by very definition you yourself are the deviant.

Originally Posted by Aberlour

Originally Posted by RickThai

less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

By definition, most people believe homosexuality to be an "accepted social standard" so it is you who is deviating from "usual or accepted standards" by having an issue with it.

So by very definition you yourself are the deviant.

.....and a tolerant professed Buddhist.
Not.

Originally Posted by Aberlour

Originally Posted by RickThai

less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

By definition, most people believe homosexuality to be an "accepted social standard" so it is you who is deviating from "usual or accepted standards" by having an issue with it.

So by very definition you yourself are the deviant.

Where did you get the "most people" stats from? Did you just make them up? The bible clearly states that a "man shall not lie with a man", so any Christian who believes it acceptable, is going against the dogma contained in the Bible. I think Islam also condemns homosexuality, so I would think "most" Muslims do not think it acceptable. In India, where there is one hell of a lot of people, homosexuality is considered a sickness and is illegal. Hence I don't think that "most" of them think homosexuality is acceptable. Not sure about China and Russia where there are also large numbers of people.

So once again, where did you get your "most people" data from?

RickThai

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

.....and a tolerant professed Buddhist.
Not.

That's what makes him such a fool. Homophobia is childish and unintelligent to start with, but harping on for ages about peace, tolerance, and how so many people are full of hate, makes him a hypocritical buffoon.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Aberlour

Originally Posted by RickThai

less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

By definition, most people believe homosexuality to be an "accepted social standard" so it is you who is deviating from "usual or accepted standards" by having an issue with it.

So by very definition you yourself are the deviant.

.....and a tolerant professed Buddhist.
Not.

If anyone can find anything in the dhamma that is supportive of homosexuality, please let me know. On the topic of households, the Lord Buddha stated there were 4 types of households as follows:

1) An evil man and an angelic woman.
2) An evil woman and an angelic man.
3) An evil woman and and evil man.
4) An angelic man and an angelic woman.

No where did the Lord Buddha indicate that homosexuality was considered acceptable or virtuous.


The 5 precepts for a lay Buddhists are:
1) Do not steal
2) Do not lie
3) Do not commit adultery
4) Do not kill
5) Do not become intoxicated.

So which one do you think I am breaking?

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

So once again, where did you get your "most people" data from?

I am referring to most educated people in the Western world.

There are Arab countries that don't allow women to drive cars for example, so I'm hardly going to take their opinions on such matters seriously am I.

Are you Indian? Are you a Muslim? So why are you using their beliefs to back up your argument?

Originally Posted by RickThai

The 5 precepts for a lay Buddhists are:
1) Do not steal
2) Do not lie
3) Do not commit adultery
4) Do not kill
5) Do not become intoxicated.

So which one do you think I am breaking?

6) Do not be a douchbag.

After reading RickThai's posts I'm even more convinced that Athisum is the way forward and that Religion just fcuks you up!!

Originally Posted by RickThai

So which one do you think I am breaking?

No one cares.

This has nothing to do with political correctness or religion, two things which are practically identical in their unreasoning bigotry.

You're a homophobe. You're in good company on here, so don't sweat it.

Homophobes are assholes, however they explain their fear of gays and gayness. Some of my best friends have been assholes over the years, but more of them have been gay.

Originally Posted by Aberlour

Originally Posted by RickThai

So once again, where did you get your "most people" data from?

I am referring to most educated people in the Western world.

There are Arab countries that don't allow women to drive cars for example, so I'm hardly going to take their opinions on such matters seriously am I.

Are you Indian? Are you a Muslim? So why are you using their beliefs to back up your argument?

Once again you are just making up statements. "Most educated people n the Western World"? Where did you read that? MotherEarth News?

From the logic (or lack of it) in your posts, I assume you must be basing your comments on your emotions. As you stated in another post that you believe yourself to be "tranquil and peaceful', (posts to the contrary), I am beginning to wonder if you are mentally ill or under the influence of medications.

Please try and bring just a little logic and facts to your posts. Otherwise you just come across as strident and semi-hysterical. Quite the opposite of tranquil and peacefull.

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by RickThai

So which one do you think I am breaking?

No one cares.

This has nothing to do with political correctness or religion, two things which are practically identical in their unreasoning bigotry.


Homophobes are assholes,.

If that is true than Homosexuals must get "turned on" by homophobes. Seems totally illogical to me.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I am beginning to wonder if you are mentally ill or under the influence of medications.

Well I'm in good company then, because everybody on the thread so far agrees with me and thinks you're a moron.

How do you feel about lesbians Rick

Originally Posted by RickThai

If that is true than Homosexuals must get "turned on" by homophobes. Seems totally illogical to me.

Besides being an asshole, your common homophobe is also a c.u.N.t. I'm straight and I guarantee you you don't turn me on.

Surely Gautama did a lesson on metaphor and stupidity.

let me explain rick

the simple fact is that you hate and fear gays; the depth to which you hold these emotions tells us that this goes well beyond the simple belief that homosexuallity is immoral and wrong.


Essentially you see all gay men as deviants and immoral but at the same time you find yourself attracted to them. Unable to reconcile these two contradictory feelings, you have redirected your self loathing and hatred into a deep hatred of these men who tempt you into immorality; in order to preserve your self-esteem.

Your gay, just accept it and learn to live it. You might then be able to become a real Buddhist by ridding yourself of the strong emotions and materialism that bind you to this world... preventing you from reaching nirvana.
I am somewhat shocked that as a Buddhist you are unaware of one of the most basic teaching of this religion.

Originally Posted by boloa

How do you feel about lesbians Rick

I worked for a lesbian for almost 8 years. She was basically a nice person, but thinking about her (she was a little heavy) strapping on a rubber dick and having at it with her girlfriend created a kind of ridiculous sex scene to my mind.

I once met a couple of girls who were in a relationship and they were both absolutely gorgeous (think threesome).


But back to seriousness. I would think that lesbians also have some kind of a disorder. Otherwise, why would they gravitate to either dykes or fems? And would the dykes want to dress like men? One thing kind of interesting is that many of the dyke-oriented lesbians seem to follow a certain body type. These lesbians have rather blocky builds (similar to autistic body types).

Maybe some day scientists will find a gene that is responsible for those characteristics.

Other lesbians that I have known, were once in hetro relationships (married to a man, had childrens, etc), but wound up hating men for some reason (good reasons maybe) and switched to women.

So, although I think lesbians also have something slightly askew in their body systems, I don't find it personally disgusting (maybe because if I were a woman, I would want to be a lesbian as well).

Rick

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by RickThai

If that is true than Homosexuals must get "turned on" by homophobes. Seems totally illogical to me.

Besides being an asshole, your common homophobe is also a c.u.N.t. I'm straight and I guarantee you you don't turn me on.

Surely Gautama did a lesson on metaphor and stupidity.

Perhaps you didn't get the irony of your post. You stated that "homophobes are assholes" and, to my understanding a male asshole is sexually stimulating to homosexuals. Hence my response. It had nothing to do with you being attracted to me. Duh!

Originally Posted by RickThai

Please try and bring just a little logic and facts to your posts.

LOL.

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for my statements/opinions on homosexuality, I believe my personal disgust on the physical aspects of male-to-male sex, is a natural reaction

Fine, then don't do it, it's very simple. Why you think you have the right to ordain what other consenting adults do in privacy is unfathomable.

Originally Posted by RickThai

The bible clearly states that a "man shall not lie with a man", so any Christian who believes it acceptable, is going against the dogma contained in the Bible.

The bible? Why don't you show us what Jeebus had to say about homosexuality..
The bible says many things that people choose to ignore, why do you feel the need to single out one rule?

Song of Solomon 5:

I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.
2I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

3I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?

4My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.

5I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

6I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

7The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

8I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.

9What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us?

10My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

11His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.

12His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.

13His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.

14His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.

15His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.

16His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

Anal sex. Oral Sex. Foot Fetishism. Scat and watersports!

Anyway, let's have a deeper look at the bible and teh ghey if we want to look at Leviticus, and NOT just cherry pick which ones, and simply cite which ones are ridiculous, how about we look at some of the things that sort of get forgotten by some folks that might support some promotion of the general welfare?


Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Which seems to point to Yahweh being down with welfare and assisting folks in need.

Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling block before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Yahweh seems to be down with helping the handicapped too.

Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

So, apparently, lying and telling tales is not approved of, and that communities should stand together. Not just the pale people or the brown people, but all you people...

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Guess wishing death and terribleness on your neighbours is out too. How many Democrats or Libertarians or Scientologist you think live in your neighbourhoods?

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Gee. Love thy neighbour. Nor on the children of your people. Whuddathunkit?

And, of course, there is something about immigrants that is completely ignored by the rabid Christian nationalists...

Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Does that mean an end this ridiculousness about trying to repeal the 14th Amendment, since Leviticus was down with that sort of thing LONG before the Founding Fathers or Lincoln?

Or if we have to throw out Leviticus as being outdated, does this mean we can toss out the whole hating the gheys thing too?

There is more about eating seafood, tuna or pork but you get the point..

The bible is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables, and some blood-drenched history, some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies.

Oh, and just for giggles how do you reconcile this:

Matthew 6:5-8

5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

with the mega-church movement in the USA?

I would put it to you that you aren't a Buddhist nor a Christian, you are an opportunistic bigot looking for scripture to back up your prejudices.

Originally Posted by RickThai

So, although I think lesbians also have something slightly askew in their body systems, I don't find it personally disgusting (maybe because if I were a woman, I would want to be a lesbian as well)

So gay men are disgusting, gay woman not so much?? Where's the logic there then? The reasons you gave for hating homosexuals, not "being the norm" not being able to reproduce etc etc, all apply to gay woman as well. So you are being a hypocrite yet again.

If you were a woman, maybe you would want to be a lesbian??

You really are a prat Rick.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

The bible? Why don't you show us what Jeebus had to say about homosexuality..