Keep your filthy perversions on the streets please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
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Keep your filthy perversions on the streets please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
No longway, I don't take any of this personally. I take it seriously. As a foreigner with no skin in the game and a thin grasp of the stakes for Americans you view it all abstractly like its some kind of game or reality show. We tolerate your twisting and inventing facts, re-editing quotes and name calling but you will be flouncing in November so we won't have you around much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
^ if you think I am wrong about libya, it's you who has a thin grasp of reality. Shillary is a warmongering shill who wil continue the destruction of your middle and working class, she has already destabilized the world more than gwb, and she has not even President yet.
She and Oblahblah have done more for isis than any other 2 people on earth. Ohblahblah allowed Isis to grow in Syria as they were a useful buffer against shia militias in Iraq. You don't know anything at all. I have to put up with your name calling and ignorance, but unlike you I don't take it personally.
You literally have no idea what the stakes are, let alone be able to evaluate them.
So don't come and lecture me with your imbecilic nonsense.
I won't be flouncing anywhere, I made a bet and if I lose I will honour it. But a fact twisting loon like you will never tell the truth about even that.
^You are simply an habitual liar who fabricates and embellishes and distorts history. A simpleton, a bigot, a desperate fool who supports torture, revenge killing and throwing out the constitution in favor of strongman rule.
^ you don't have a clue, and it's willful ignorance at that. You can't refute me do as usual you resort to name calling and bizarre accusations.
^I've refuted you on several occasions regarding Libya. You are impervious to the facts and live in a fantasy landscape propagated by tin foil hat loons who are you're only source of information.
Forwarded to me by a friend on Facebook.
"For all my conspiracy theory Republican friends. Time for a history lesson:
Ford pardoned Nixon. Reagan sold arms to Iran and funded a secret war that congress knew nothing about and then lied to the American people about it. George Bush Sr. told us no new taxes and then we know what happened. His son lied about Iraq's role in 9/11 and led us into the costliest war in US history. Cheney outed a covert CIA agent as a political payback. And Hillary, in your opinion, is the worst of the worst for using a private server. Time for a little perspective."
Your idea of refuting me visits of nothing more than denying it happened or twisting what I say then trying force me to defend it and then calling me names, so yes I am impervious to your nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Here is a source for hitlery's antics regarding Libya. Is salon iyo a tinfoil hat conspiracy site? All the stuff about Hillary's disaster in libya is well documented and requires willful ignorance to hold any other position than she is a warmonger.
Even critics understate how catastrophically bad the Hillary Clinton-led NATO bombing of Libya was - Salon.com
and anotherQuote:
The Times spoke of “Clinton’s deep belief in America’s power to do good in the world,” but did not stress that this belief is rooted in an aggressive militarism. It did quote French President Sarkozy, who fondly remembered how the secretary of state “was tough, she was bullish,” but the Times’ reporting understated Clinton’s belligerence.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/13/as_r...nderstand_how/Quote:
As reckless as George W. Bush: Hillary Clinton helped create disorder in Iraq, Libya, Syria — and, scarier, doesn’t seem to understand how
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This is a dangerous figure, and I use the word advisedly, not rhetorically. Over eight years as First Lady, eight more as a New York senator and four as secretary of state, Clinton has proven repeatedly abusive of social order and careless of human life. It is time we face these facts and act accordingly. This holds especially for those given to false consciousness or lesser-of-evils arguments as they decide what to do next November 8.
And some of the people this piece compares her against, now support her bid for presidency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
The republican old order to which you refer is not running against her, they support her.
The server is the tip of the iceberg with her.
agree, absolutely. And yet our Democrat friends here are in denial over this. They sound more and more like blind GW Bush supporters on the eve of the Iraq war.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
she is not bad for using a private server, she is bad because she will do fuck all and please her Israeli masters. And comparing her with other sociopaths is now ok as an excuse for her incompetence ? god, how desperate are you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
absolutely, and that alone is just showing what kind of person we are dealing with. A bad president.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
Don't be so fucking stupid man.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
Obama would have got shot of Assad and formed a majority Sunni government in Syria if Putin hadn't blocked every UN resolution. That probably would have been a relatively peaceful transition.
It's that fucking crook Putin's fault.
And Islamic State was founded in Iraq under Bush's watch you idiot.
^^^The Salon articles you cite were written this year. They are opinion pieces. At the time Gaddafi was slaughtering his own people in the streets witnessed by journalists no one had the luxury of making a critical historical assessment. It went wrong but the intentions were right. If history judges Clinton, Sarkozy and Cameron harshly that burden comes with the job.
^ Look its your prerogative to disagree no matter how ludicrous your opinion, the point is that the sources documenting hitlery's aggressive tendencies extend far beyond 'tin foil wearing hat loons'.
Here is another tinfoil hat loon that is a source backing up what I say. In his spare time, when he not wearing his tin foil hat, he is a professor emeritus of russian studies at princeton and new york university.
Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Trump Wants To Stop The New Cold War, But The America Media Just Doesn't Understand | Video | RealClearPolitics
Humpback, you have no idea of what the stakes are.Quote:
Cohen says the media at large is doing a huge disservice to the American people by ignoring the substance of Trump's arguments about NATO and Russia, and buying the Clinton campaign's simplistic smear that Trump is a Russian "Manchurian candidate."
"That reckless branding of Trump as a Russian agent, most of it is coming from the Clinton campaign," Cohen said. "And they really need to stop."
"We're approaching a Cuban Missile Crisis level nuclear confrontation with Russia," he explained. "And there is absolutely no discussion, no debate, about this in the American media."
"Then along comes, unexpectedly, Donald Trump," he continued, "Who says he wants to end the New Cold War, and cooperate with Russia in various places... and --astonishingly-- the media is full of what only can be called neo-McCarthyite charges that he is a Russian agent, that he is a Manchurian candidate, and that he is Putin's client."
"This is a moment when there should be, in a presidential year, a debate," he said. "And that is not what we are given in the media today."
^Stephen Cohen is a well known Putin apologist. Trump has become an unwitting puppet of Putin. A useful idiot.
You would think Longway would check his sources before posting bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Are you sure he isn't Boon Mee multinicing?
Has the same qualities: Stupidity, inability to read or understand what he cuts and pastes, etc.
:smileylaughing:
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
sound more and more like Boon Mee, how times have changed
you mean like the Iraq war ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
I don't think you'll find anyone that thinks toppling Saddam was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Why, I don't even think RPETER is that fucking dumb, and he takes the whole packet of TD biscuits.
Not exactly. Bush was a puppet. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were in charge and they deliberately mislead the world and concocted evidence. At least Clinton took a strong and decisive stand at the time even if in hindsight it left Libya in a shambles. At the time the humanitarian voices in the world were clammoring for action against Gaddafi. If we would have supported him and he started a campaign of retribution against the rebel factions and their civilian supporters world public opinion would have judged that result harshly as well. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. With Trump you have an unhinged lunatic capable of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
People don't seem to realise how many countries would explode if you took the cork out.
You only have to look how unruly Thailand is when the army haven't got their foot on the peoples' necks.
If the Al Sauds ever lost power, the whole of the Gulf would go to shit.
One of the intentions was to ship entire warehouses of Gaddafi's huge arms stockpiles to 'friendly Islamists we know will turn them on us because that's the way it works' in Syria, to depose Assad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
Have you ever questioned the coincidence that NATO could identify not just Gadaffi's escape convoy but pinpoint his car, yet failed to notice several 1000-truck arms convoys heading for Benghazi and Egypt among other 'friendly' destinations?
I've never heard of the coincidence, perhaps you could elucidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
The Hillary Emails released in December 2015 prove beyond any doubt the motives behind the murder of Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya, read for yourself :
https://ellenbrown.com/2016/03/13/ex...llarys-emails/
One Email from Sidney Blumenthal reads :
Wonder what happened to all that gold and silver and to the between 100 and 150 billion dollars (depending who you believe) frozen in Libyan bank accounts ?Quote:
Qaddafi’s government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver . . . . This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and wasintended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).In a “source comment,” the original declassified email adds:
According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7 billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these individuals Sarkozy’s plans are driven by the following issues:
- A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,
- Increase French influence in North Africa,
- Improve his internal political situation in France,
- Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,
- Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi’s long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in Francophone Africa
Does not appear to have gone to rebuilding the country or reinstating the fresh water supply the humanitarian bombs destroyed.
No need to tip-toe around. Make your point instead of going thru the ruse of posing questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
In your mind and in the minds of other tin foil hat nutters maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by birding
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Originally Posted by birding
The way this has been edited implies that it was the a desire to get his hands on the gold that this was one of the factors "that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya."
When in fact a key sentence has been removed:
Which the email went on to describe.Quote:
3. Qaddafi has nearly bottomless financial resources to continue indefinitely, according to the latest report we have received
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6528
You should ask yourself why the author felt compelled to remove this key piece of information from the email.
Ah, I know, to sucker in idiots like you.
^I knew they would be along sooner or later to work in the international banking conspiracy behind all of this.
Some of the posters on this thread make Trump look sane. Quite sad. Where are their caregivers? Are the needy just left to fend for themselves?
I feel like the Principal just stuck his head in the door with a stern look on his face.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
^You weren't on the Detention list.
In Britain, they call it "care in the community" which is a euphemism for "lob the fuckers out on the streets to shout at shopping trolleys full of rubbish".Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
^I think in the US, they issue them a laptop, and send them on their merry way.
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Originally Posted by harrybarracudaQuote:
Originally Posted by birding
The way this has been edited implies that it was the a desire to get his hands on the gold that this was one of the factors "that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya."
When in fact a key sentence has been removed:
Which the email went on to describe.Quote:
3. Qaddafi has nearly bottomless financial resources to continue indefinitely, according to the latest report we have received
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6528
You should ask yourself why the author felt compelled to remove this key piece of information from the email.
Ah, I know, to sucker in idiots like you.
Why is that such a key piece of information ?
The document is clear on the reasons Gaddafi had to go, principally about him proposing an African gold based currency which would have sidelined the dollar.
France was more than willing to be involved for their own selfish reasons.
And it is clear that Hillary knew what was going on.
Only the gullible like yourself still insist that Libya was decimated for humanitarian reasons.
so now you are supporting dictators, and next you are all for Democracy and the freedom of people in certain region of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
how schizophrenic are you, Harry ? can't have it both ways,
Clearly the fact that he had the resources to keep killing his own people was the major factor in taking him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdingQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaQuote:
Originally Posted by birding
The way this has been edited implies that it was the a desire to get his hands on the gold that this was one of the factors "that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya."
When in fact a key sentence has been removed:
Which the email went on to describe.Quote:
3. Qaddafi has nearly bottomless financial resources to continue indefinitely, according to the latest report we have received
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6528
You should ask yourself why the author felt compelled to remove this key piece of information from the email.
Ah, I know, to sucker in idiots like you.
Why is that such a key piece of information ?
The document is clear on the reasons Gaddafi had to go, principally about him proposing an African gold based currency which would have sidelined the dollar.
France was more than willing to be involved for their own selfish reasons.
And it is clear that Hillary knew what was going on.
Only the gullible like yourself still insist that Libya was decimated for humanitarian reasons.
The rest of it is from unidentified "knowledgeable individuals" which means jack shit.
What are you babbling on about Buttplug?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonflyso now you are supporting dictators, and next you are all for Democracy and the freedom of people in certain region of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
how schizophrenic are you, Harry ? can't have it both ways,
I hope these euro Trump knobs keep banging away about Libya. The fact is most Americans were happy to see Gaddafi skewered. He was one of the world's biggest sponsors of terrorism. If anything. all this crap longway and birdbrain post show Hillary to be a strong and decisive leader. The only people who care about this dictator are spineless europacifists.
The UK and West warmed to Qadaffi for oil deals a couple of years before he died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
After the Libyan uprising - AND Qaddafi trying to establish an alternative to the US petrol-dollar - it was best to have him killed.
If you try to veer away from the US petrol dollar you will end up dead. The US empire depends the USD oil bourse.
^He's dead. Americans could care less. He was a criminal and a terrorist. Any attempts to stroke sympathy for him are a waste of time. Stick to Benghazi its an easier sell.:rofl:
That's a problem in today's world, Americans could care less. Last time they cared enough to button down their leaders was over Vietnam, but then went to sleep again giving them license to destroy people and countries and regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert
As for Gadaffi and Libya, giving you full benefit of looking several years ahead, would you still depose him because he was as you say a 'criminal and a terrorist'?