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    Hands up if you know who owns the Federal Reserve?

    Did you think it was a US Government Agency? Did you? I did.

    It's not though. It is a cartel of 12 private banks (not all US private banks by the way). How is it possible for the most influential and powerful country in the world to actually be controlled by 12 banks? How the hell to the US public allow this to happen because what the Fed does affects the rest of the world.

    Sorry to say this - hansuman popped this nugget in the middle of one of his usual rants, but when you dig around, you will see that it is all true.



    (fuck it... it's from Fox as well).

    10 Things That Every American Should Know About The Federal Reserve - Business Insider

    Oh - and before you all post up the "Bull shit conspiracy" posts, first tell me who does own it then, and who are the 12 approved banks that run it, or prove that it is a government agency (Even the Fed's website says all of these are false).

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    Feck me, you've only just realized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Feck me, you've only just realized?
    Yep - really only just this morning when for the first time ever I watched a video posted by loonie Hansuman.

    Thing is...when you see who does belong to the cartel who runs the Fed, you kind of start thinking that he's not that far from the truth with some of the stuff he says.

    Rothschild Bank of London
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    Lehman Brothers of New York
    Lazard Brothers of Paris
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    Goldman, Sachs of New York
    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Feck me, you've only just realized?
    Yep - really only just this morning when for the first time ever I watched a video posted by loonie Hansuman.

    Thing is...when you see who does belong to the cartel who runs the Fed, you kind of start thinking that he's not that far from the truth with some of the stuff he says.

    Rothschild Bank of London
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    Lehman Brothers of New York
    Lazard Brothers of Paris
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    Goldman, Sachs of New York
    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

    Shit hey, I always thought it was the Rockefeller family.

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    ^ Isn't it a little concerning that the US owes the Fed so much money, when in reality, they never actually got any money from the fed, only a piece of paper to print more notes, and in return have to pay shit loads of interest every month. Is this not the biggest, best planned, most elaborate Ponzi scheme the world has ever known?

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    And with the ramp up of debt under Obama, your great, great, great grandchildren will still be attempting to pay down the debt.




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    Blaming the Big O for the current debt amount is like blaming your kid for putting a hundred dollars on your credit card for your entire CC bill which when you've only been paying the interest off each month. Bush spent a fortune on the two wars (cost 1m USD a day to keep a modern day soldier in the middle east....) and that all needs to be repaid, and not just the interest.

    Here's a question though - if the governments of the world one day, over a game of golf and a few beers, said to the fed "you know that money you think we owe you? well get fucked. We cancel the debt and ain't paying you shit from this day forth. AND we want all the money back we've ever paid you". What would happen?

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    Isn't that what Iceland voted to do?


    Though only a tiny country of 320,000, Iceland made international headlines in 2008 when its banks defaulted on $85 billion, exemplifying the dangers of financial deregulation. But this year, Iceland’s economy will outgrow the euro area and the developed world on average.
    And as difficult as it may be for conservatives here in the U.S. to stomach, at least some of the credit for Iceland’s expeditious recovery is due to its astonishing debt relief agreement.
    Since the end of 2008, Iceland’s state-controlled banks have forgiven loans for more than a quarter of the population, a total equivalent to 13 percent of its annual gross domestic product. Despite shrinking 6.7 percent in 2009, Iceland’s economy is projected to expand 2.4 percent this year and next, compared with 0.2 percent in the euro area. And while Iceland’s recovery does not provide a complete parallel to U.S. economic woes, the island’s nascent success does demonstrate how loan forgiveness can help reignite a struggling economy. According to Icelandic economist Thorolfur Matthiasson:

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Blaming the Big O for the current debt amount is like blaming your kid for putting a hundred dollars on your credit card for your entire CC bill which when you've only been paying the interest off each month. Bush spent a fortune on the two wars (cost 1m USD a day to keep a modern day soldier in the middle east....) and that all needs to be repaid, and not just the interest.

    Here's a question though - if the governments of the world one day, over a game of golf and a few beers, said to the fed "you know that money you think we owe you? well get fucked. We cancel the debt and ain't paying you shit from this day forth. AND we want all the money back we've ever paid you". What would happen?
    Ft. Knox would be an empty shell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Blaming the Big O for the current debt amount is like blaming your kid for putting a hundred dollars on your credit card for your entire CC bill which when you've only been paying the interest off each month. Bush spent a fortune on the two wars (cost 1m USD a day to keep a modern day soldier in the middle east....) and that all needs to be repaid, and not just the interest.

    Here's a question though - if the governments of the world one day, over a game of golf and a few beers, said to the fed "you know that money you think we owe you? well get fucked. We cancel the debt and ain't paying you shit from this day forth. AND we want all the money back we've ever paid you". What would happen?
    Ft. Knox would be an empty shell...
    Ever seen any evidence to prove that it is not already? After all, they will not even let senators and congressmen to have a peep inside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    It's not though. It is a cartel of 12 private banks (not all US private banks by the way). How is it possible for the most influential and powerful country in the world to actually be controlled by 12 banks? How the hell to the US public allow this to happen because what the Fed does affects the rest of the world.
    it's an independent entity and it has no functioning fiscal role, therefore it can't be from the government. The Chairman though is nominated by the POTUS and he is the real boss of the Fed, the others are simply directors. As for ownership, it was founded by banks, big fucking deal. They don't make the decisions since the Chairman don't answer to the shareholders, it's simply a legal entity structure.


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    Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    Italian jewish family ? hard to tell

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Isn't it a little concerning that the US owes the Fed so much money,
    another confusion by the usual idiots, the US doesn't owe the Fed anything. The Fed is a pump in a water closed circuit, nothing more, it's not the water itself. You are probably confusing US Treasury and the Fed, two very distinctive entity with different roles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    It's not though. It is a cartel of 12 private banks (not all US private banks by the way). How is it possible for the most influential and powerful country in the world to actually be controlled by 12 banks? How the hell to the US public allow this to happen because what the Fed does affects the rest of the world.
    it's an independent entity and it has no functioning fiscal role, therefore it can't be from the government. The Chairman though is nominated by the POTUS and he is the real boss of the Fed, the others are simply directors. As for ownership, it was founded by banks, big fucking deal. They don't make the decisions since the Chairman don't answer to the shareholders, it's simply a legal entity structure.
    1- Chairman is selected from a list of names give to him by the FED. No Fed Approval, no chairman.
    2- The Fed controls US politics completely - 100%. If you doubt that, try and find a problem in the US where big money and corporations are no implicated in it.
    3 - it is a big fucking deal when the world basically is held to ransom by 12 privately owned banks. They don't lend money, but they sure as hell take the interest payments. They have also killed the capital markets by paying interest to banks to park their cash surpluses there (very risk free) as opposed to lending it to others.

    I am stunned that you and others do not detect a slight conflict of interest. All of those banks named are heavy investors in land; their wealth will never diminish. However, the 100 dollar bill your granddad has in this bank 60 years ago is now worth 10 bucks. Why? Because the Fed gets paid interest on loans they never actually make whilst the US government prints money to the value.

    Oh, and I am not implying it is a Zionist plot. It is a massive Ponzi scheme though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    1- Chairman is selected from a list of names give to him by the FED. No Fed Approval, no chairman.
    the list is made of prominent economists and respected professionals with real economic skills. Not sure who propose first the candidates, but the Chairman must also be approved by Congress, so it's a process with a lot of intervenants.

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    2- The Fed controls US politics completely
    The Fed controls the good functioning of the economy as it should, independently of elected politicians. The politicians often try to interfer with the Fed policies and the Fed answer has always been the same: fuck off

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    3 - it is a big fucking deal when the world basically is held to ransom by 12 privately owned banks.
    it's not, the board doesn't answer to shareholders, only to a bigger mandate, it's on their charter if I am not mistaken, and it's quite clear. There is also no money to be made or profits to be shared in that mandate. It's simply a private legal structure for the reasons given before.

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    I am stunned that you and others do not detect a slight conflict of interest.
    at this level, anything will have conflict of interests, it's not as bad as you are projecting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    1- Chairman is selected from a list of names give to him by the FED. No Fed Approval, no chairman.
    the list is made of prominent economists and respected professionals with real economic skills. Not sure who propose first the candidates, but the Chairman must also be approved by Congress, so it's a process with a lot of intervenants.

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    2- The Fed controls US politics completely
    The Fed controls the good functioning of the economy as it should, independently of elected politicians. The politicians often try to interfer with the Fed policies and the Fed answer has always been the same: fuck off

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    3 - it is a big fucking deal when the world basically is held to ransom by 12 privately owned banks.
    it's not, the board doesn't answer to shareholders, only to a bigger mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    I am stunned that you and others do not detect a slight conflict of interest.
    at this level, anything will have conflict of interests, it's not as bad as you are projecting it.
    Read back your answers. I've taken the liberty of highlighting the interesting parts. Also, there are share holders, actually holding shares of the Fed. Go and have a look, it's all there in the open.

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    you are missing the point entirely,

    they are shareholders, yes, there is no profit sharing or profit making mandate. Without the mandate, you have nothing, no power, only empty shares. Looks great on a wall or for prestigious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    you are missing the point entirely,

    they are shareholders, yes, there is no profit sharing or profit making mandate. Without the mandate, you have nothing, no power, only empty shares. Looks great on a wall or for prestigious reasons.
    I think you might be missing the point. Firstly, they take 6% of earnings of the FED (by law) and secondly, they control everything. Big business, politics. The capital markets are completely reliant on money from central reserves who feed the banks ultimately. Big problem. Time to move in with Hansuman and go self sufficient.

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    Hoe did you think it worked? Controlled by whichever political clown happens to be in office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    It's not though. It is a cartel of 12 private banks (not all US private banks by the way). How is it possible for the most influential and powerful country in the world to actually be controlled by 12 banks? How the hell to the US public allow this to happen because what the Fed does affects the rest of the world.
    it's an independent entity and it has no functioning fiscal role, therefore it can't be from the government. The Chairman though is nominated by the POTUS and he is the real boss of the Fed, the others are simply directors. As for ownership, it was founded by banks, big fucking deal. They don't make the decisions since the Chairman don't answer to the shareholders, it's simply a legal entity structure.

    3 - it is a big fucking deal when the world basically is held to ransom by 12 privately owned banks. They don't lend money, but they sure as hell take the interest payments.
    Oh, and I am not implying it is a Zionist plot. It is a massive Ponzi scheme though.
    The profits (interest payments) are returned to the treasury, after Fed expenses.

    Certainly is one big Ponzi scheme though.

    The comms generated on treasuries by the banks are indeed very lucrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    The capital markets are completely reliant on money from central reserves who feed the banks ultimately.
    yes, it's called a monetary system, how do you think it could work without banks and a central bank ? not even sure the point you want to make or if you actually understand any of it. Are you trying to be another conspiracy nutter ala Ron Paul ?

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Firstly, they take 6% of earnings of the FED (by law)
    again, more confusion from you here

    Quote Originally Posted by draco888
    The comms generated on treasuries by the banks are indeed very lucrative.
    actually not for sure, the US Treasury Market needs to be supported by market makers using the banks own equity, so there are a lot of risk involved in it. Market makers profits are highly exposed during large "financial swings", wiping out a full year profit in a matter of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by draco888
    The comms generated on treasuries by the banks are indeed very lucrative.
    actually not for sure, the US Treasury Market needs to be supported by market makers using the banks own equity, so there are a lot of risk involved in it. Market makers profits are highly exposed during large "financial swings", wiping out a full year profit in a matter of days.
    not when they are selling the treasuries they have just bid for immediately to the Fed, that's about as free money as it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Feck me, you've only just realized?
    Yeah, this is quite an old discussion within those NWO conspiratorial groups.

    WOW!! G. Edward Griffin is still alive [even from two years ago]??

    The book has been an underground classic for ions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles
    Shit hey, I always thought it was the Rockefeller family.
    Chase Manhattan is/was a Rockefeller company. All of the foreign shareholders are Rothschild, or related, as is (or was) Kuhn Loeb of NY. Not aware Goldman Sachs were ever part of the Rothschild stable though.

    It is an interesting and obscure shareholding structure, reminiscent of the late 19th/ early 20th century- when a few European private Banks dominated the international financing scene at sovereign level. A cartel actually- all Jewish, and all Rothschild related through direct shareholding and/or family affiliation & intermarriage.

    If this is true-
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    As for ownership, it was founded by banks, big fucking deal. They don't make the decisions since the Chairman don't answer to the shareholders, it's simply a legal entity structure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    There is also no money to be made or profits to be shared in that mandate. It's simply a private legal structure
    Then it begs the question why can't the shareholder structure be altered to be reflective of the modern USA and the modern financial & banking system, and the Fed's important overall role in the functioning of the economic & financial system, and thus peoples well being.

    For the Fed to preserve it's autonomy from politicians and political cycles does not require a non negotiable shareholding structure dominated by Rothschild private banks from Europe. Neither is the Fed susceptible to audit, and I question the efficacy of this in the modern world- given what commercial and investment banks that were subject to audit were able to get up to. I am right on board with Ron Pauls crusade to make the Fed less opaque, and it's ownership more reflective of it's mandate. It is suspending belief to say 'ownership doesn't mean anything'.

    More on this (yep, old hat in issues)-
    https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...l-reserve.html

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    Edward M. House

    Woodrow Wilson's principle advisor towards most everything.

    The instigator of The Fed.

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    I thought everybody knew.

    Interesting facts eh.

    Even for those of a non-tinfoil hat variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draco888
    not when they are selling the treasuries they have just bid for immediately to the Fed, that's about as free money as it gets.
    it's a basic transaction commission. Actually they would rather not do it but have an obligation to. When they don't find enough clients to buy US Treasuries, they buy them for their own accounts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    For the Fed to preserve it's autonomy from politicians and political cycles does not require a non negotiable shareholding structure dominated by Rothschild private banks from Europe. Neither is the Fed susceptible to audit, and I question the efficacy of this in the modern world- given what commercial and investment banks that were subject to audit were able to get up to. I am right on board with Ron Pauls crusade to make the Fed less opaque, and it's ownership more reflective of it's mandate.
    some valid questions, but banks are central in the good functioning of our economy, what else but banks could propose and protect such a structure. Who the shareholders should be ? industrials ? electronics ? Consumer Discretionary ? foreigner government ? foreign central banks ? public shares in a public exchanges ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    It is suspending belief to say 'ownership doesn't mean anything'
    but it doesn't in effect, there is no profit sharing. Ownership doesn't entitle to all company annual profits by default, it's a board and management decision and not all owners sit at a board either. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Corporation structure in the US and Corporate Governance best practice.
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