Chuck Hagel Praised By GOP Senators In 2008, Must Now Battle Them For Nomination

**Boon Mee** · 21-02-2013, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

"The email is time-stamped April 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM. Wagner wrote:

The bit you didn't paste bolded.

"He basically said". But what did he actually say?

What difference does it make (pun intended) regarding a date of three years ago and today on Hagel's viewpoint?

Plus, the total amount of information that's been revealed concerning Hagel's attitude towards Israel, passes the 'Duck Test'.

**importford** · 21-02-2013, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

When the latest set of revelations come out he will be obliged to withdraw his name or risk becoming a larger embarrassment to the Democrats.

enough embarrassment indeed,
let Obama nominate Palin, she was already qualified as Vice President.... no risk of embarrassment there

**Boon Mee** · 21-02-2013, 03:08 PM

“He struck me as sincere, and you know, you have to be sitting there at the meeting obviously, but I also told him when he used the word Jewish lobby what it meant to Jewish people,” he added.

“And I told him what a double standard is. That Jewish people throughout the centuries have suffered a double standard. Everyone could be a farmer except Jewish people. Everyone could live in Moscow except Jewish people. I said when everyone else can lobby but all of a sudden when those of us who are pro-Israel lobby, it’s a negative, that’s a double standard. And I’m sure you didn’t mean it, but it harkens to the old days.

“And he really, you know, he almost had tears in his eyes when he understood. So I believe he will be good.”

Schumer: Chuck Hagel ?almost had tears? in meeting - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com

Maybe Hagel rented Fiddler On The Roof so now's he's up to speed?

**Humbert** · 27-02-2013, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Senate sources informed the Breitbart website today that Chuck Hagel’s foreign funding may include “Friends of Hamas.”

How did that work out for you Boon Mee?

Hagel Confirmed.

Chuck Hagel Confirmed By Senate As Obama's Secretary Of Defense

**importford** · 27-02-2013, 10:08 AM

**sabang** · 27-02-2013, 10:18 AM

And thus chuckgate died with a whimper, and joined all the other gates in the redneck graveyard. Time to hire a new gatekeeper, methinks.

**Norton** · 27-02-2013, 10:19 AM

The U.S. Senate confirmed former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) as President Barack Obama's next secretary of defense by a 58 to 41

Four Republican senators voted for Hagel: Sens. Thad Cochran (Miss.), Richard Shelby (Ala.), Mike Johanns (Neb.) and Rand Paul (Ky.)

Circus has concluded as expected with clowns, contortionists, elephants, donkeys, delusionists (sic) and ring master giving stellar performances.

**sabang** · 27-02-2013, 10:21 AM

I especially liked the performing elephants. The circus lacked performing Seals- but I guess they were too busy selling their war stories to the press.

**raycarey** · 27-02-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

"The email is time-stamped April 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM. Wagner wrote:

I am sitting in a lecture by Chuck Hagel at Rutgers. He basically said that Israel has violated every UN resolution since 1967, that Israel has violated its agreements with the quartet, that it was risking becoming an apartheid state if it didn’t allow the Palestinians to form a state. He said that the settlements were getting close to the point where a contiguous Palestinian state would be impossible.
He said that he [thought] that Netanyahu was a radical and that even [former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi] Livni, who was hard nosed thought he was too radical and so wouldn’t join in a coalition [government] with him. … He said that Hamas has to be brought in to any peace negotiation."

jesus, switch kerry to defense and hagel to state.

bravo, hagel.

**Hypatia** · 27-02-2013, 08:38 PM

That's what he said then....Now what's he towing? Israel is huge
3 billion year Usa donates for defense expenditure. Fat cats ain't letting it go.

How to make them ?

**sabang** · 27-02-2013, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

switch kerry to defense and hagel to state.

Or switch obama to hollywood, and hagel to the whitehouse.

Originally Posted by Hypatia

How to make them ?

Make them earn it. Has there ever been another example in human history where one nation provides an unequivocable security guarantee to another nation, throws a larger amount of money at it than any other nation has ever done in history (mostly for weapons), and the beneficiary just turns around and snubs world opinion, and it's own declared policy (and that of it's massive benefactor)? It is unheard of. The fact they also interfere in the internal politics of their benefactor, and spy on it like they are bitter ideological enemies is just icing on the cake. That's gratitude for ya, folks. aka, a good deed never goes unpunished.

Now if you did that to Chuck Hagel in business, I doubt you would be in business for long.

**Boon Mee** · 28-02-2013, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Senate sources informed the Breitbart website today that Chuck Hagel’s foreign funding may include “Friends of Hamas.”

How did that work out for you Boon Mee?

Hagel Confirmed.

Chuck Hagel Confirmed By Senate As Obama's Secretary Of Defense

How did that work out for me?
You mean like, personally?

**bsnub** · 28-02-2013, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Senate sources informed the Breitbart website today that Chuck Hagel’s foreign funding may include “Friends of Hamas.”

How did that work out for you Boon Mee?

Hagel Confirmed.

Chuck Hagel Confirmed By Senate As Obama's Secretary Of Defense

How did that work out for me?
You mean like, personally?

Defeat.

**Norton** · 28-02-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You mean like, personally?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Defeat.

Booners could care less. His main goal in life is to irritate libtards on TD.
Betting the real life Booners is far more moderate than his TD persona would lead us believe.

**Boon Mee** · 28-02-2013, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You mean like, personally?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Defeat.

Booners could care less. His main goal in life is to irritate libtards on TD.
Betting the real life Booners is far more moderate than his TD persona would lead us believe.

Gadzooks! I've been 'outed'!

Indeed. Recall that Liberal/Conservative/Libertarian test posted aboard here a while back?

Well, boys, know you believed my answers were slanted to give a less-than-truthful outcome but as I've mentioned, it was 100% straight-up.

In fact, believe my 'score' was closer to a 'Centrists' than any of y'alls.

**pseudolus** · 28-02-2013, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hypatia

That's what he said then....Now what's he towing? Israel is huge
3 billion year Usa donates for defense expenditure. Fat cats ain't letting it go.

How to make them ?

Indeed - he sold out completely. Wonder if he will stay a sell out to keep his job?

**sabang** · 28-02-2013, 10:51 AM

If you are at all centrist- and you obviously favor the GOP over the Dem's- then you are able to criticise both sides (and there is plenty of material). It would be nice booner if you could occasionally offer a criticism of your own party, where you believe such criticism is warranted. Or perhaps you think the GOP is heading in all the right directions, in spite of the pretty dire story at the polls? That's fine- explain why you think so then. Instead, we are treated to a cavalcade of such stuff as 'democrat campaign volunteer allegedly feels womans boobs'. Kind of the National Enquirer sans humor. Or that 'Obama is a one termer for sure'- in defiance of the evidence, and as it turned out the facts also. A centrist (with a degree from, like, UC Sta Barbara) can surely do a bit better than that?

**Boon Mee** · 28-02-2013, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

If you are at all centrist- and you obviously favor the GOP over the Dem's-

To repeat myself once again, I'm not a member of the Republican Party. Registered Independent. If it appears there's more criticism directed towards the Democrats perhaps they are deserved of it more so than the Republicans.

btw, Jindal is right...

**Boon Mee** · 28-02-2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Booners could care less. His main goal in life is to irritate libtards on TD.
Betting the real life Booners is far more moderate than his TD persona would lead us believe.

Watching Libtard heads explode is great sport!

**robuzo** · 28-02-2013, 10:04 PM

Peter Beinart @The Daily Beast:
Hagel Confirmation Fight Was Really About Bush Foreign Policy
It was absurd that at a time when Beijing is clearly America’s greatest geopolitical competitor, the 12 Republican senators on the Armed Services Committee mentioned China a grand total of once during a seven-and-a-half-hour hearing on the challenges of being Defense secretary, and only then because Hagel allegedly had traveled there with a prominent critic of Israel. It was absurd that during a hearing at which Israel was mentioned 137 times, senators angrily demanded that Hagel retract his claim that lobbying groups that focus on Israel wield disproportionate influence in the Senate. It was absurd that conservative activists with records of active hostility to gay rights attacked Hagel for being insufficiently supportive of gay rights. It was absurd that conservative journalists invented a fictitious pro-terrorist organization and demanded that Hagel prove he had never received money from it. And it was absurd that Rand Paul voted to confirm Hagel after having only hours before voted not to allow a vote at all.
---
It was never about Israel. It was about loyalty, and Hagel placing his conscience above loyalty. Hagel in 2004 saw his mistake in voting to allow Bush to proceed with his imperial adventure in Iraq, and he hasn't shut up about it seems. He won't even allow the neocons a modicum of vindication when it comes to their bizarre pride in the "surge." He is probably deeply angry with himself over his initial support for the invasion of Iraq, and is certainly not going to let Bush and his crew of neocon traitors off the hook. Hagel is an obstruction to the rehabilitation of the Bush Administration and, by extension, the Republican Party as it currently exists. It can be hoped that Hagel will give more anti-war conservatives (they exist, albeit are extremely rare birds in today's GOP) the courage to stand up for their beliefs.

**sabang** · 05-03-2013, 01:37 PM

In business, you learn from your mistakes- and you won't make it big if you don't.
In politics, the total opposite applies. The same GOP that championed the policies that culminated in the 2008 financial collapse, wants to extend them still further. The same people that pushed you into Iraq, want to push you into Iran (yikes). The same folk that most aggressively beat the afghan war drums, don't want to get out.

In short, I like a politician that honestly owns up to mistakes, and speaks his mind honestly- rather than bow down to some 'groupspeak' position dictated by lobbyists or the prevailing government spin and ideology. That sort of politician doesn't tend to repeat them as often.

**pseudolus** · 05-03-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by robuzo

Hagel is an obstruction to the rehabilitation of the Bush Administration and, by extension, the Republican Party as it currently exists. It can be hoped that Hagel will give more anti-war conservatives (they exist, albeit are extremely rare birds in today's GOP) the courage to stand up for their beliefs.

Actually this is right I think to a certain degree. Not having a warmongering shit for brains as SecDef (like Bumsfelt) it is highly unlikely that the US will jump into Iran in the next few years which is great. However, it will force Israel into war itself, and they will get the Nukes out.

Why? Because war criminal and mass murderer Kissinger has already told us there will be a Nuke War with Iran this year.

The US does not have the cash or cannon fodder for a ground war with Iran, and Israel is nuts enough to launch nukes and get away with it - and anyone who complains will be called an anti-semite

**pseudolus** · 06-03-2013, 02:43 PM

The United States' new Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has met with Israeli Minister for Military Affairs Ehud Barak, reassuring that Washington will continue funding the Israeli regime’s costly missile system known as the Iron Dome.

Hagel held a meeting with Barak at the Pentagon on Tuesday, during which the American defense minister voiced his “strong commitment” to back funding for the Israeli regime’s Iron Dome missile system, despite fiscal uncertainty for the US government itself.

Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said in a statement that the two ministers also discussed the need for ‘continued cooperation’ on the ongoing violence in Syria.

Little also noted that Hagel and Barak "have had an outstanding working relationship, dating back to Minister Barak’s days as prime minister."

“Secretary Hagel expressed a desire to visit Israel soon and Minister Barak stated that Israel looks forward to hosting him in the near future,” Little added.

PressTV - US reassures Israeli regime of military funding

Well that's fucked it then.

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