Thread: Alcohol and female sexual consent

I think it is a bit unseemly having these discussions on the various news threads, so, as much as it pains me to make an OP in 'Issues' , here goes.

I think most people agree that having sex with a comatose female or a female who does not appear willing or a female who is withdrawn and non-communicative is sexual assault. I also think females who have lost the ability to communicate effectively and clearly through intoxication, regardless of whether it was consumed eagerly or reluctantly are also off limits.

Where I have a problem is with the notion that seems to exist that having sex with a woman who has consumed even 1 sip of an alcoholic drink can technically put you at risk of a rape charge because a woman who is intoxicated in even the slightest measure 'cannot legally give consent'. The way the law is worded this seems to be technically the case (I have not read the original laws but I am reading informed commentary on other websites).

It seems to me that the feminists who have fought so hard to be treated as equals before the law want to have it both ways and pick and choose when the law sees them as responsible adults and when it sees them as helpless children.

It also seems that the law requires males to be restrained and level headed and think clearly at all times regardless of alcohol consumption (no way is being drunk a defence against a rape charge) yet a female who has had a single sip of babycham is absolved of responsibility for herself.

A vindictive female is also in a position to do terrible damage to the life of any male who would foolishly sexually proposition her. Even if she laughingly goes along with it at the time the fact that she has had a single drink means she can later claim it was non-consensual due to her intoxication.

Even if a female is a closet alcoholic and the male knows nothing about her alcohol consumption, from what I have been reading over the past few days it seems that the male's ignorance of her intoxication is not a defence against a rape charge but merely a mitigation at sentencing.

Willkomen auf " the world as is ".

Drunk and/or passed out wenches may well be a shit shag.
Tell that to the cameraman.
Who films your every thrust for posterity, and charges more than your sack recipient.

Originally Posted by Looper

The way the law is worded

Whose law?

Originally Posted by Looper

It seems to me that the feminists who have fought so hard to be treated as equals before the law want to have it both ways and pick and choose when the law sees them as responsible adults and when it sees them as helpless children.

Only in most things, yes.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Looper

The way the law is worded

Whose law?

I have got most of my information from reading commentary on other websites. They seem to be referring mainly to US law. e.g. US university campus websites with pages to inform males about not getting into trouble with the law on this issue etc.

I will try and find out the exact wording of the laws in the main western jurisdictions.

I am interested to find out what the law literally has to say based on what I have read of the advice being handed out to young males to help them avoid getting into trouble (the advice is basically that if a woman has consumed any alcohol then do not have sex with her if you want to avoid getting into trouble as that is technically rape regardless of how enthusiastic she may be, since a woman who has consumed any alcohol cannot legally consent).

But the laws will vary between jurisdictions and the law is only there to reflect the will of the people anyway so I am equally interested in the consensus of opinion about what the law should be rather than what it actually is.

Originally Posted by Looper

he advice being handed out to young males to help them avoid getting into trouble

Since when did young men read or listen to advice about staying out of trouble?

The answer is to steer clear of western educated women. Asian ladies may have issues but they a nothing compared to western rights, PC laws and women.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Looper

he advice being handed out to young males to help them avoid getting into trouble

Since when did young men read or listen to advice about staying out of trouble?

The answer is to steer clear of western educated women. Asian ladies may have issues but they a nothing compared to western rights, PC laws and women.

This would apply towards western men, as well - double.

Nothing special.

Sex with drunken women could be rape, review to signal - Telegraph

We're not talking about one sip of babysham here, obviously. We're talking about someone who is incapable of giving consent because they are so drunk.

Originally Posted by Looper

Where I have a problem is with the notion that seems to exist that having sex with a woman who has consumed even 1 sip of an alcoholic drink can technically put you at risk of a rape charge because a woman who is intoxicated in even the slightest measure 'cannot legally give consent'.

That's not true.

Originally Posted by Looper

I have got most of my information from reading commentary on other websites.

Sigh.

C'mon mate, I thought you had a little bit more sense than that.

Originally Posted by Looper

I think most people agree that having sex with a comatose female or a female who does not appear willing or a female who is withdrawn and non-communicative is sexual assault. I also think females who have lost the ability to communicate effectively and clearly through intoxication, regardless of whether it was consumed eagerly or reluctantly are also off limits.

This is certainly the intent of the law in Australia, I do not know about other countries, but imagine that most are aimed at this sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by Looper

Where I have a problem is with the notion that seems to exist that having sex with a woman who has consumed even 1 sip of an alcoholic drink can technically put you at risk of a rape charge because a woman who is intoxicated in even the slightest measure 'cannot legally give consent'.

That's not true.

Originally Posted by Looper

I have got most of my information from reading commentary on other websites.

Sigh.

C'mon mate, I thought you had a little bit more sense than that.


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Not so sure. For one I am glad looper has had a look around, his comments on the other thread showed a bit of a narrow outlook.

The point is in all this, is that "rape" is non-consentual sex. This implies that a woman has to consent to the act.

The point is, at what point does alcohol impair the ability to give consent?

As no law specifically addresses this, men are on shakey ground. Those web sites you dismiss are mainly Uni web sites aimed at providing information to college lads to let them know the lie of the land. Do the college lads read this stuff? probably not, but the Uni is covering itself by providing the information.

The sites provide the right information - if a woman has been drinking - her ability to consent COULD be impaired - if you want to be 100% safe - pass on by.

As it stands,any woman anytime has the option to call rape or sexual harassment the next day regardless of the actual circumstances and the law and public opinion will likely be on her side. Little in the way of evidence is required other than opportunity and her statement that it was. The incentive for doing so can be enormous.

Not sure what it says about a guy who has to worry about fucking passed-out or paralytically-drunk females. Not something I tend to worry about too much.


Btw. If you fuck them after they've died, is that still rape?

i think the common sense rule is simple. if someone is not fit to drive, they are not fit to say yes or no about anything. if you choose to accept what some say under these circumstances and they change their mind later, be it on your head.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Looper

The way the law is worded

Whose law?

I have got most of my information from reading commentary on other websites. They seem to be referring mainly to US law. e.g. US university campus websites with pages to inform males about not getting into trouble with the law on this issue etc.

I will try and find out the exact wording of the laws in the main western jurisdictions.

I know it may come as a shock to most Americans, but the rest of the world has their own laws and US law (especially the antiquated crap in their constitution) doesn't apply in other countries.

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. The whole idea of having drinks with a woman is to get her a bit tipsy so she agrees to have sex with you. If this is going to be against 'the law', why bother having drinks with a woman? Most guys have a better time out on the piss without women putting a dampener on the proceedings.

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Agree with larv and flyfree. I can see that consent and alcohol are issues that teenagers need information about, but once you're grown up, you really shouldn't be placing yourself in the position where the question arises. .

While i agree wholeheartedly with you and larv, all "sane and sensible" comments have to be viewed through the "socal" filter. Go see some of his comments on the rape thread, then think what they say about "common sense"......

My socal filter seems to be malfunctioning. You put something blindingly obvious in the top, and a confusing stream of shit lands on your shoes. I want a refund.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Anyway, I'm a bit confused. The whole idea of having drinks with a woman is to get her a bit tipsy so she agrees to have sex with you. If this is going to be against 'the law', why bother having drinks with a woman? Most guys have a better time out on the piss without women putting a dampener on the proceedings.

My thoughts exactly.
Also, a big reason for going to the pub/club is (was, in my case) the chance to hook up and score because the place is loaded with drunk horny birds.
Might even get a knee trembler out the back if you're lucky.