Thread: What has Obama Accomplished So Far?

Originally Posted by chassamui

The biggest single issue to have the most wide ranging effect on both the USA and the rest of the world is armed forces reductions...

... The US will still operate the worlds most credible navy and, with the help of allies, still pose a significant deterrent.

I saw on a clip of a Bill Maher show where he claimed that the US spends as much on military as the 16 next top nations do combined. He made the point that even if that were halved, to the top-eight, it would still be an effective deterrent.

It can't be halved though because too many senators and congressmen take the fats cheques the arms industry gives them. It will only ever go up and up and up.

In real terms they should scrap the entire budget and just have a secret policy that if in case of trouble they issue a statement on Fox that incest has been legalised and all they need is to collect a license from the local military airfield (and to bring all their guns). So when all of the red neck misogynist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, necrophiliac, republicans twats turn up hollering and whooping chanting U>S>A they bundle the all onto some big arse planes and send them off to war. Cannon fodder is all they are mentally good enough for anyway. Socal can join is as well. He lies that kind of thing.

Another crazy thing about all of this: The US borrows money from China and spends significant sums on military in and around Asia...

To protect it from China.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Another crazy thing about all of this: The US borrows money from China and spends significant sums on military in and around Asia...

To protect it from China.

Is that another of Obama's achievements?

There is a lot of crazy people here and dont even have a clue. Wow.
Bush comes in with 4 trillion debt, leaves office with 8 trillion. approx
Obumo 8 trillion 16.5 trillion and that was a
great president?? He wants to dump country so one world order will come in
and he can change all kind of laws like Bush did with 9-11 and everybody scared of muslums will ok anything. Worse pres in history. Big train wreck coming.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Another crazy thing about all of this: The US borrows money from China and spends significant sums on military in and around Asia...

To protect it from China.

Is that another of Obama's achievements?

You've lost me there sorry?

Originally Posted by farmerfloyd

There is a lot of crazy people here and dont even have a clue... He wants to dump country so one world order will come in

Riiiiiight.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

Other notable achievements such as saving americas car industry simply mean using tax or more debt to subsidise/bailout inefficient industries who make crap cars.

You would obviously prefer to see Detroit auto workers jobless, close the US factories and ship all those jobs to Japan. Fucking great idea genius. Is this now republican policy?
GM and Ford now make world cars and compete in Asian markets and at home, both companies can now propser under Obama. Although Ford did not take bail out money they have been able to reorganise.

The biggest single issue to have the most wide ranging effect on both the USA and the rest of the world is armed forces reductions. The reduced defence budget will have the effect of reigning in some of the Israeli excesses and covering the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Interference in world trouble spots should be confined to UN peace keeping and overseas training and advisory roles where appropriate. If defence, and energy lobbyists have less clout it has to be good for US politics.
The US will still operate the worlds most credible navy and, with the help of allies, still pose a significant deterrent.
Please note that changing your avatar does not make you less of a gullible cretin.

I have no preferences as to what happens to Detroit auto workers, if they produce competitive cars great, they shouldn't require taxpayers subsidies though. It's pretty easy to 'compete' when you have billions of taxpayers dollars to help....

Can't say I disagree with anything wrt to US defence spending.

Gullible in what way exactly? Care to elaborate or is this just one of your random comments you wish to throw out there?

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by draco888

give the man credit where credit is due (pun intended) he has managed to fcuk up the country beyond everyone's expectations, plunged deeper into debt etc etc

How many times is this video going to be posted and how many times do the posters have to be told, GW Bush inacted the "Obama Phone" during his administration. Obama ha nothing to do with it.

Yes, this woman is stupid. So are the people who think like her, that Obama gave her a free phone!

Quite frankly, I think it is being posted to stir up the most base racist sentiments.

Homeless and other poor people in California are on track to soon get virtually free cell phones and service so they can keep in touch with family, potential employers and others crucial to improving their lives.
The cell phones would be handed out through a federally funded Lifeline program - already operated by service provider Assurance Wireless in 36 other states - that is likely to win final approval in the next couple of weeks from the California Public Utilities Commission.

Read more: PUC set to OK free phones for homeless - SFGate

Originally Posted by draco888

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by draco888

give the man credit where credit is due (pun intended) he has managed to fcuk up the country beyond everyone's expectations, plunged deeper into debt etc etc

How many times is this video going to be posted and how many times do the posters have to be told, GW Bush inacted the "Obama Phone" during his administration. Obama ha nothing to do with it.

Yes, this woman is stupid. So are the people who think like her, that Obama gave her a free phone!

Quite frankly, I think it is being posted to stir up the most base racist sentiments.

Homeless and other poor people in California are on track to soon get virtually free cell phones and service so they can keep in touch with family, potential employers and others crucial to improving their lives.
The cell phones would be handed out through a federally funded Lifeline program - already operated by service provider Assurance Wireless in 36 other states - that is likely to win final approval in the next couple of weeks from the California Public Utilities Commission.

Read more: PUC set to OK free phones for homeless - SFGate

The fact that poor people get can free mobile phone service was never in question. They are not Obama phones, though, they are Dubya Bush phones. It's like the part time jobs and increasing insurance costs you are blaming on Obama, they began before he was in office. He inherited a Republican made mess to clean.

In 2008, during President Bush’s term, that Lifeline program was expanded to include mobile phone service. Lifeline only offers discounted phone service, not actual cell phones—any free cell phone would be provided and paid for by a private company, not by the Lifeline program or funds from the universal service fee.

As Factcheck.org observed, “The President has no direct impact on the program and one could hardly call these devices ‘Obama phones.’” This program to help families access telephone service does not use taxpayer dollars, dates back decades, doesn’t pay for any actual phones, and has included cell phone service since before President Obama took office.

Fact check: Right-wing blogs push debunked

Originally Posted by draco888

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by draco888

^Obama has certainly achieved a lot of funding increases this and tax credits for that.....

As an aside how exactly was Bush responsible for the death of the auto industry?

Don't worry about that. Just pop up a list of the achievement made from 8 years of Bush mediocrity. Can't wait to read it. Need a good laugh.

The list of positive achievements for either bush or obama could probably fit on the back of a postage stamp.

Well Obama's list is there for all to see. Sure the redneck republicans don't see having a fairer supportive country as being a good thing, especially when the needy people are not white, but that does not mean they are not achievements. Problem is though for republicans is that historically they do not achieve anything. Ever. They make their friends richer and try to increase brain dead religious fanaticism into all levels of society (Am I right in thinking that Bush is a creationist? I believe he is on record as such). The loser republican Mr Daddies Gonna Buy Me A Veyron if I win (that's his proper name I believe) had no policies, no plans, only a pocket full of money from lobbyists who want to keep the war on terror going so they get richer and the fat arse americans get poorer. So please do pop up a list of Bush Snr or Jnr's achievements. Love to see them.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Butterfly

he did a few fuckups though:

- Guantanamo not closed

It's not closed because the Republicans in congress blocked any funding to move the detainees anywhere else. Hardly Obama's fault.

excellent point. Republicans blame the president for not closing G. but it takes 2 to dance.

Originally Posted by draco888

It's not that I didn't like the links but just find it amazing that an additional accumulation of more than $5 trillion in deficits are seen as a cut. Are we also to believe that the national debt has gone down as well? I wonder what all those charts showing a huge increase in the national debt represent?

as you know, he cut the annual budget deficit from the levels which he inherited from Bush, and that in the depths of the worse economic crisis in 100 years.

With long-term bonds at an all-time low, the government should be borrowing even more money right now and spending it to put teachers, police, and firemen back to work in the States around the country. The government should be sending out money for immediate infrastructure projects and more assistance to the unemployed.

All of these actions would be a direct stimulus which the country's economy still desperately needs. And can be done with practically free money.

Instead the government is looking at more austerity because of the false debate over the fiscal cliff.

We're all idiots for letting that happen.

to SL - thanks for the President Obama achievement lists.

His re-election could also be the cause of the idiots on here like Socal, Draco, BM and Earl frothing at the mouth and falling over backwards as they look for yet more right wing blogs and and don their KKK hoods so no one can identify or highlight their glaring stupidity.
Another fine achievement for that nice Mr Obama.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by draco888

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by draco888

^Obama has certainly achieved a lot of funding increases this and tax credits for that.....

As an aside how exactly was Bush responsible for the death of the auto industry?

Don't worry about that. Just pop up a list of the achievement made from 8 years of Bush mediocrity. Can't wait to read it. Need a good laugh.

The list of positive achievements for either bush or obama could probably fit on the back of a postage stamp.

Well Obama's list is there for all to see. Sure the redneck republicans don't see having a fairer supportive country as being a good thing, especially when the needy people are not white, but that does not mean they are not achievements. Problem is though for republicans is that historically they do not achieve anything. Ever. They make their friends richer and try to increase brain dead religious fanaticism into all levels of society (Am I right in thinking that Bush is a creationist? I believe he is on record as such). The loser republican Mr Daddies Gonna Buy Me A Veyron if I win (that's his proper name I believe) had no policies, no plans, only a pocket full of money from lobbyists who want to keep the war on terror going so they get richer and the fat arse americans get poorer. So please do pop up a list of Bush Snr or Jnr's achievements. Love to see them.

Why on earth are you asking me for a list of that idiot Bush's achievements? I am sure there is an equivalent list created by his supporters just as inaccurate and full of lies and just as biased as that list of nonsense of Obama's supposed achievements.

Originally Posted by draco888

obamacare was created by Bush as well?

No, it was created by the Heritage Foundation and some other right-wing think tanks as an alternative to Hillarycare. It was first implemented by a certain GOP governor who goes by the name of Mitt Romney.

Originally Posted by TLansford

Originally Posted by draco888

It's not that I didn't like the links but just find it amazing that an additional accumulation of more than $5 trillion in deficits are seen as a cut. Are we also to believe that the national debt has gone down as well? I wonder what all those charts showing a huge increase in the national debt represent?

as you know, he cut the annual budget deficit from the levels which he inherited from Bush, and that in the depths of the worse economic crisis in 100 years.

With long-term bonds at an all-time low, the government should be borrowing even more money right now and spending it to put teachers, police, and firemen back to work in the States around the country. The government should be sending out money for immediate infrastructure projects and more assistance to the unemployed.

All of these actions would be a direct stimulus which the country's economy still desperately needs. And can be done with practically free money.

Instead the government is looking at more austerity because of the false debate over the fiscal cliff.

We're all idiots for letting that happen.

Obama has increased the debt during 1 term as much as Bush managed in 2 terms.

The Govt should be borrowing even MORE?????? Wow! And spend more on the unemployed? Stimulus? You do realise the rapidly diminishing marginal returns of so called Govt stimulus programs? How much extra tax/spend to realise increases in GDP at the moment?

Why do you thing bond rates at an all time low?

The fiscal cliff is a false debate? Can you explain please? How much extra borrowing and spending exactly should the Govt be doing? Is there no limit?

Originally Posted by draco888

i am well aware of Keynes theories thank you.

Are you suggesting that an economy is demand driven? You'll be strung up at your next meeting!

Originally Posted by farmerfloyd

There is a lot of crazy people here and dont even have a clue. Wow.
Bush comes in with 4 trillion debt, leaves office with 8 trillion. approx
Obumo 8 trillion 16.5 trillion and that was a
great president?? He wants to dump country so one world order will come in
and he can change all kind of laws like Bush did with 9-11 and everybody scared of muslums will ok anything. Worse pres in history. Big train wreck coming.

Duh! Right after Bush took office we had 9/11 - a terrorist event that killed several thousand innoncent people. The direct cause of this was Clinton refusing to kill UBL when he had the chance, and having a "liberal" society where illegal immigrants (excuse me, undocumented workers) could overstay and take classes on how to "guide" commercial aircraft (no take-offs and landings, thank you very much) without government interference.

What would Obama have done if 9/11 had occurred on his watch (lie about what happened?).


Use your brain for a change.

RickThai

Anyone who has ever studied or worked in the areas of crime and social studies, should be familiar with the word "enabler".

That is basically what the left is all about, "enabling" people to be victims and encouraging dependence upon federal and local governments.

Enough said.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Apparently ("Feels great to be a liberal right now") that is what liberalism is about "superficial highs".

Not a superficial high to know we have a government with the decency to make sure people are fed and and get medical care. Good to know little boys and girls can have a decent place to live and food in their stomachs provided by a government in the absence of decent jobs and overpriced private health care.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Once China and other countries start demanding the US pay back all that money is owed, how are the "liberals" going to feel then? The USA's financial rating has already taken some serious hits.

China owns about 8% of US debt and that is in dollars. Not in their best interest to demand it back when the US is unhealthy. The worst they can do is raise their interest rates.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I can just imagine the UN passing a resolution that puts China and the other foreign creditors in charge of the US finances.

I can't.

Originally Posted by RickThai

With the "weakened" military that Obama and other like-minded liberal socialists are espousing, the US will not be able to prevent a "court-ordered" takeover.

I'm not sure anyone is espousing a weakened military. A more modern, intelligent, and less expensive military is in order. Since the US spends more on its military than the next ten countries do put together, a downsize won't destroy US military dominance.

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for most US conservatives that I know, they aren't in a frenzy, but are deeply concerned about the future of this country and understand that hard times are in store for this country.

The ones I know are more concerned with their tax breaks ending than they are with the future of this country.

Hard times were already in place before Obama took over. He inherited a mess, which conservatives were totally blind to until he got in office then started screaming bloody murder.

Originally Posted by RickThai

It will then be incumbent upon the GOP and conservatives to negotiate the USA's way out of bankruptcy and come up with a way to satisfy the creditors and return to solvency.

Then 90% of all these great "Obama follies" will be rescinded and the nation will get back to putting its house in order.

I can't wait!

Good luck with that. The GOP is in pieces right now.


If the Bush tax cuts are let to expire, we are on our way to less debt.

Leaning on some of the corporations who make their money in America yet take that money overseas to avoid taxes would be the next step for financial health. Have them invest in America in order to do business there.

Pressing companies to pay their employees decent wages as opposed to putting the money into the pocket of executives or stockholders would go a long way to getting people off of government benefits.

Originally Posted by draco888

Originally Posted by TLansford

Originally Posted by draco888

It's not that I didn't like the links but just find it amazing that an additional accumulation of more than $5 trillion in deficits are seen as a cut. Are we also to believe that the national debt has gone down as well? I wonder what all those charts showing a huge increase in the national debt represent?

as you know, he cut the annual budget deficit from the levels which he inherited from Bush, and that in the depths of the worse economic crisis in 100 years.

With long-term bonds at an all-time low, the government should be borrowing even more money right now and spending it to put teachers, police, and firemen back to work in the States around the country. The government should be sending out money for immediate infrastructure projects and more assistance to the unemployed.

All of these actions would be a direct stimulus which the country's economy still desperately needs. And can be done with practically free money.

Instead the government is looking at more austerity because of the false debate over the fiscal cliff.

We're all idiots for letting that happen.

Obama has increased the debt during 1 term as much as Bush managed in 2 terms.

The Govt should be borrowing even MORE?????? Wow! And spend more on the unemployed? Stimulus? You do realise the rapidly diminishing marginal returns of so called Govt stimulus programs? How much extra tax/spend to realise increases in GDP at the moment?

Why do you thing bond rates at an all time low?

The fiscal cliff is a false debate? Can you explain please? How much extra borrowing and spending exactly should the Govt be doing? Is there no limit?

in the short term, we need still need a stimulus - and not just in the USA but in / across Europe, too. The republicans and Germans have it wrong.

bond rates reflect the market's opinion of the US government's ability to pay its debts.

Evidently, the market thinks that the USA is a safe bet despite the doom and gloom spouted about the current debt.

Spending money directly so that States can provide extensions to unemployment - unlike tax breaks for the ultra-rich - puts that money directly into the local economy because unemployed people need to eat, pay their mortgage (if they are lucky enough to have kept their house), and buy clothes for their kids. Spending federal dollars to the states so that they can continue essential services means maintaining or increasing employment.

The private sector is still not hiring and has not yet recovered. Until the market economy comes off the life-support system, then yes, the government should be making investments in people and infrastructure in order to generate demand in the market.

Remember, job-creation is not a function of people or of companies but a function of demand for products and services. Government stimulus does create that demand and create - public and private sector - jobs.

And more debt in the short term and near 0% sounds like a hell of a good deal to jump-start the economy.

Once the economy recovers, mid-term balanced budget policies need to be implemented. That is normal. But it has been proven before that austerity when the 'free market' is flat on its back is exactly the wrong economic policy.