Thread: Folks in 25 states call for secession

^^ They would be separatists. These are the same conservatives who claim to protect the constitution.

This makes constitutional conservative an oxymoron.

Most of these so called 'separatists' are not really separatist at all- they are just sore losers and blowhards. This has come up after every recent election, and now we have the right wing blogosphere to amplify the squeak from the peanut gallery. Which of course it does out of all proportion, damaging the republican party in the process.

Originally Posted by can123

America should never have fought a war against the British and they should have remained part of the British Empire. Just look at the mess they have made at running their country as an independent nation ! It's not too late to get rid of your President and join us. One nation under God. One nation which would not drop napalm on rice farmers again. You know it makes sense !

I'm not sure the "British Empire" amounts to much these days. The only way the Britons make world news is when one of the British princesses show their tits (or gets whacked).

Tally Ho! (as they say).

RickThai

Ron Paul on the concept of "secession" and arguing against those who label it "treason"
Ron Paul Speaks On The States Secession Demands By Petitions To The White House - YouTube!

[QUOTE=sabang;2271792]

Originally Posted by RickThai

I'm not sure the "British Empire" amounts to much these days.

The Falklands, Gibraltar, Diego Garcia. Maybe one or two other bits of rock. The sun still never sets...

Thanks for making my point. Wouldn't give a pitted farthing for the lot of them.

Cherrio.

Regards,

RickThai

net beneficiaries of federal largesse per the Economist

America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist

Let 'em go. don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Wouldn't give a pitted farthing for the lot of them.

RU kidding- you would give many pitted farthings for Gibraltar. But it's not for sale. I reckon you'd swap M'suppi for that little gem.

We do allow you to keep lots of your expensive war toys in Diego Garcia though.

Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia
The Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia provides Base Operating Services to tenant commands located on the island. The command's mission is "To provide logistic support to operational forces forward deployed to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf AORs in support of national policy objectives."[115]
As of January 2012, the facility supported the following tenant commands:
Maritime Pre-Positioning Ships Squadron TWO
Branch Health Clinic
Naval Computer And Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Detachment
Naval Media Center Detachment Diego Garcia
Military Sealift Command Office Diego Garcia
Mission Support Facility
Fleet Logistics Center Diego Garcia
NAVFAC FE
36 MSG Pacific Air Force
Det 1, 715th AMOG (AMC)
AFSPC Det 2, 22nd Space Operations Squadron (ARTS & GPS)
AFSPC Det 2, 18th Space Surveillance Squadron (GEODSS)
Additionally, the USS Emory S. Land (AS-39) is forward deployed to Diego Garcia.
[edit]US pre-positioned vessels


Camp Justice on Diego Garcia
The atoll shelters the ships of the US Marine Pre-positioning Squadron Two. These ships carry equipment and supplies to support a major armed force with tanks, armoured personnel carriers, munitions, fuel, spare parts and even a mobile field hospital. This equipment was used during the Persian Gulf War, when the squadron transported equipment to Saudi Arabia.
The ship composition of MPSRON TWO is dynamic. During August 2010 it was composed of:
MV Capt. Steven L. Bennett (T-AK-4296)
USNS SGT William R. Button (T-AK-3012),[116]
MV SSG Edward A. Carter, Jr. (T-AK-4544),[117]
MV Maj. Bernard F. Fisher (T-AK-4396)
USNS Lawrence H. Gianella (T-AOT-1125)
USNS SGT Matej Kocak (T-AK-3005),[118]
USNS 1st LT Baldomero Lopez (T-AK-3010),[119]
MV LTC John U. D. Page[120]
USNS GYSGT Fred W. Stockham (T-AK-3017)

Air Force satellite control network station
Main article: Air Force Satellite Control Network
The US Air Force operates a remote tracking station on Diego Garcia. Its call sign is REEF. This facility became more vital after the closure of the Indian Ocean Station in 1996.[citation needed]
[edit]GEODSS Station


Diego Garcia GEODSS station.[citation needed]
Main article: GEODSS
The US Air Force Operates a station of the Ground-based Electro-optical Deep Space Surveillance system on the southern end of the atoll.[citation needed]7.41173°S 72.45222°E
[edit]Global positioning system monitoring station
Diego Garcia is one of the five control bases for the Global Positioning System, operated by the United States military. The US Air Force also has monitoring stations in Hawaii, Kwajalein, Ascension Island, and Colorado Springs. The stations synchronise and update the atomic clocks on the 24 orbiting satellites that emit the signals used by GPS receivers. 7.26654999°S 72.36312094°E[121]
[edit]HF global station
Main article: High Frequency Global Communications System
The US Air Force operates a High Frequency Global Communications System transceiver site located on the south end of the atoll near the GEODSS station. The transceiver is operated remotely from Joint Base Andrews and locally maintained by NCTS FE personnel.[citation needed]
[edit]Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia operates a detachment in Diego Garcia. This detachment provides base telephone communications, provides base network services (Local Network Services Center), pier connectivity services, an AN/GSC-39C SHF satellite terminal, operates the Hydroacoustic Data Acquisition System, and performs on-site maintenance for the remotely operated Air Force HF-GCS terminal.[citation needed]
[edit]Naval Security Group Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Security Group detachment Diego Garcia was disestablished on September 30, 2005.[122] Remaining essential operations were transferred to a contractor. The large AN/AX-16 High Frequency Radio direction finding Circularly Disposed Antenna Array has been demolished, but the four satellite antenna radomes around the site remain as of 2010.[citation needed]
[edit]ETOPS emergency landing site
Diego Garcia may be identified as an ETOPS (Extended Range Twin Engine Operations) emergency landing site (en route alternate) for flight planning purposes of commercial airliners. This allows twin-engine commercial aircraft (such as the Airbus A330, Boeing 767 or Boeing 777) to make theoretical nonstop flights between city pairs such as Perth and Dubai (9,013.61 km/5,600.80 mi), Hong Kong and Johannesburg (10,658 km/6,623 mi) or Singapore and São Paulo (15,985.41 km/9,932.87 mi), all while maintaining a suitable diversion airport within 180 minutes' flying time with one engine inoperable.[123]
]Space shuttle
The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle.
Diego Garcia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Ceburat1

I am 100 percent against the United States spliting up. However, if the southern states stuck together they might do well.

They could make Texas Governor Rick Perry their warlord. Maybe they could outlaw every form of sex except husband-on-top of-wife. Perhaps everyone over 5 would be required to carry a handgun. Paddle schoolchildren, and what the heck, wives, too. It would end up as a Christian-based equivalent of Iran, probably worse. Awesome. It would get the retards and nutcases out of the rest of the USA. As long as they don't get nukes it's fine with me.

red staters not acting in their own best interest? what else is new?


when are these hillbillies going to wake up and realize that the republicans are duping them?

Take the seven states which have gathered 30,000 or more signatures to secede: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas.


In the last year for which the Tax Foundation ran the numbers, their residents paid about $473 billion in federal taxes and received about $533 billion in federal spending. In other words the seven states which want to secede the most pocketed a $60 billion subsidy from Uncle Sam. That works out at about $700 for every household in the rest of the country.



Meanwhile, most states in the Northeast, around the Great Lakes and on the West Coast paid in more than they got back. Californians paid $1,300 more in taxes than they got back in federal spending at last count, according to the Tax Foundation. New Yorkers paid $2,200. New Jerseyans: $3,200.

What seceding from the U.S. will cost you - MarketWatch

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Originally Posted by Ceburat1

I am 100 percent against the United States spliting up. However, if the southern states stuck together they might do well.

They could make Texas Governor Rick Perry their warlord. Maybe they could outlaw every form of sex except husband-on-top of-wife. Perhaps everyone over 5 would be required to carry a handgun. Paddle schoolchildren, and what the heck, wives, too. It would end up as a Christian-based equivalent of Iran, probably worse. Awesome. It would get the retards and nutcases out of the rest of the USA. As long as they don't get nukes it's fine with me.

I think Oklahoma and Arkansas already exist for this reason.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Originally Posted by Ceburat1

I am 100 percent against the United States spliting up. However, if the southern states stuck together they might do well.

They could make Texas Governor Rick Perry their warlord. Maybe they could outlaw every form of sex except husband-on-top of-wife. Perhaps everyone over 5 would be required to carry a handgun. Paddle schoolchildren, and what the heck, wives, too. It would end up as a Christian-based equivalent of Iran, probably worse. Awesome. It would get the retards and nutcases out of the rest of the USA. As long as they don't get nukes it's fine with me.

I think Oklahoma and Arkansas already exist for this reason.

Look at any political demographics (Republican vs Demicrat) and you will see:

a) Republican counties have less crime
b) Repulican counties have less unemployment (read less "po people")
c) Republican counties have less dependence upon the government
d) Republican counties pay less in taxes

Demicrats stay in power by keeping people in poverty and rewarding people for being dysfunctional. Republicans do just the opposite.

If the entire United States consisted only of Republicans, the USA would once again be a proud nation and the number one economy in the world.

If the entire United Sates consisted only of Demicrats, we would be a nation consisting of government workers and welfare/unemployment recepients.

The US would get along just fine without Demicrats, but would founder without Republicans.

Dress it up however you want, but just imagine a moment if the US was comprised solely of demicrats. Scary huh!

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by RickThai

Wouldn't give a pitted farthing for the lot of them.

RU kidding- you would give many pitted farthings for Gibraltar. But it's not for sale. I reckon you'd swap M'suppi for that little gem.

We do allow you to keep lots of your expensive war toys in Diego Garcia though.

Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia
The Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia provides Base Operating Services to tenant commands located on the island. The command's mission is "To provide logistic support to operational forces forward deployed to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf AORs in support of national policy objectives."[115]
As of January 2012, the facility supported the following tenant commands:
Maritime Pre-Positioning Ships Squadron TWO
Branch Health Clinic
Naval Computer And Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Detachment
Naval Media Center Detachment Diego Garcia
Military Sealift Command Office Diego Garcia
Mission Support Facility
Fleet Logistics Center Diego Garcia
NAVFAC FE
36 MSG Pacific Air Force
Det 1, 715th AMOG (AMC)
AFSPC Det 2, 22nd Space Operations Squadron (ARTS & GPS)
AFSPC Det 2, 18th Space Surveillance Squadron (GEODSS)
Additionally, the USS Emory S. Land (AS-39) is forward deployed to Diego Garcia.
[edit]US pre-positioned vessels


Camp Justice on Diego Garcia
The atoll shelters the ships of the US Marine Pre-positioning Squadron Two. These ships carry equipment and supplies to support a major armed force with tanks, armoured personnel carriers, munitions, fuel, spare parts and even a mobile field hospital. This equipment was used during the Persian Gulf War, when the squadron transported equipment to Saudi Arabia.
The ship composition of MPSRON TWO is dynamic. During August 2010 it was composed of:
MV Capt. Steven L. Bennett (T-AK-4296)
USNS SGT William R. Button (T-AK-3012),[116]
MV SSG Edward A. Carter, Jr. (T-AK-4544),[117]
MV Maj. Bernard F. Fisher (T-AK-4396)
USNS Lawrence H. Gianella (T-AOT-1125)
USNS SGT Matej Kocak (T-AK-3005),[118]
USNS 1st LT Baldomero Lopez (T-AK-3010),[119]
MV LTC John U. D. Page[120]
USNS GYSGT Fred W. Stockham (T-AK-3017)

Air Force satellite control network station
Main article: Air Force Satellite Control Network
The US Air Force operates a remote tracking station on Diego Garcia. Its call sign is REEF. This facility became more vital after the closure of the Indian Ocean Station in 1996.[citation needed]
[edit]GEODSS Station


Diego Garcia GEODSS station.[citation needed]
Main article: GEODSS
The US Air Force Operates a station of the Ground-based Electro-optical Deep Space Surveillance system on the southern end of the atoll.[citation needed]7.41173°S 72.45222°E
[edit]Global positioning system monitoring station
Diego Garcia is one of the five control bases for the Global Positioning System, operated by the United States military. The US Air Force also has monitoring stations in Hawaii, Kwajalein, Ascension Island, and Colorado Springs. The stations synchronise and update the atomic clocks on the 24 orbiting satellites that emit the signals used by GPS receivers. 7.26654999°S 72.36312094°E[121]
[edit]HF global station
Main article: High Frequency Global Communications System
The US Air Force operates a High Frequency Global Communications System transceiver site located on the south end of the atoll near the GEODSS station. The transceiver is operated remotely from Joint Base Andrews and locally maintained by NCTS FE personnel.[citation needed]
[edit]Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia operates a detachment in Diego Garcia. This detachment provides base telephone communications, provides base network services (Local Network Services Center), pier connectivity services, an AN/GSC-39C SHF satellite terminal, operates the Hydroacoustic Data Acquisition System, and performs on-site maintenance for the remotely operated Air Force HF-GCS terminal.[citation needed]
[edit]Naval Security Group Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Security Group detachment Diego Garcia was disestablished on September 30, 2005.[122] Remaining essential operations were transferred to a contractor. The large AN/AX-16 High Frequency Radio direction finding Circularly Disposed Antenna Array has been demolished, but the four satellite antenna radomes around the site remain as of 2010.[citation needed]
[edit]ETOPS emergency landing site
Diego Garcia may be identified as an ETOPS (Extended Range Twin Engine Operations) emergency landing site (en route alternate) for flight planning purposes of commercial airliners. This allows twin-engine commercial aircraft (such as the Airbus A330, Boeing 767 or Boeing 777) to make theoretical nonstop flights between city pairs such as Perth and Dubai (9,013.61 km/5,600.80 mi), Hong Kong and Johannesburg (10,658 km/6,623 mi) or Singapore and São Paulo (15,985.41 km/9,932.87 mi), all while maintaining a suitable diversion airport within 180 minutes' flying time with one engine inoperable.[123]
]Space shuttle
The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle.
Diego Garcia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Yawn! With cruise missles and other high tech military toys, DG is becoming nothing more than a convenience for US military operations. I predict it will be turned back over to the Brits within the next 5 years.

As for Mississippi, if it were up to me, I give it to the Chinese. The last time I was there, they had to have guards 24/7 at the Interstate Rest Areas to help cut down on the robberies and rapes of innocent travelers when they stopped to use the bathrooms. (This is another strong Demicratic state.)

Originally Posted by RickThai

Look at any political demographics (Republican vs Demicrat) and you will see:

a) Republican counties have less crime
b) Repulican counties have less unemployment (read less "po people")
c) Republican counties have less dependence upon the government
d) Republican counties pay less in taxes

Let's see those stats.

BTW

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth - Bloomberg

If the entire United Sates consisted only of Demicrats, we would be a nation consisting of government workers and welfare/unemployment recepients.

Absolutely not true. A total falsehood.

As for Mississippi........ (This is another strong Demicratic state.)

Another untrue statement.


Just because Republicans believe their "truths" to be so, doesn't make them fact.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Originally Posted by Ceburat1

I am 100 percent against the United States spliting up. However, if the southern states stuck together they might do well.

They could make Texas Governor Rick Perry their warlord. Maybe they could outlaw every form of sex except husband-on-top of-wife. Perhaps everyone over 5 would be required to carry a handgun. Paddle schoolchildren, and what the heck, wives, too. It would end up as a Christian-based equivalent of Iran, probably worse. Awesome. It would get the retards and nutcases out of the rest of the USA. As long as they don't get nukes it's fine with me.

I think Oklahoma and Arkansas already exist for this reason.

Look at any political demographics (Republican vs Demicrat) and you will see:

a) Republican counties have less crime
b) Repulican counties have less unemployment (read less "po people")
c) Republican counties have less dependence upon the government
d) Republican counties pay less in taxes

Demicrats stay in power by keeping people in poverty and rewarding people for being dysfunctional. Republicans do just the opposite.

If the entire United States consisted only of Republicans, the USA would once again be a proud nation and the number one economy in the world.

If the entire United Sates consisted only of Demicrats, we would be a nation consisting of government workers and welfare/unemployment recepients.

The US would get along just fine without Demicrats, but would founder without Republicans.

Dress it up however you want, but just imagine a moment if the US was comprised solely of demicrats. Scary huh!

So it looks like you are stepping up to replace booners. This post is completely incorrect and comprised of already discounted right wing talking points and nonsense.

Income Gap Widest in Republican-Leaning States

Then there is this little fact;



Oh and this one as well;

Originally Posted by RickThai

Look at any political demographics (Republican vs Demicrat) and you will see:

a) Republican counties have less crime
b) Repulican counties have less unemployment (read less "po people")
c) Republican counties have less dependence upon the government
d) Republican counties pay less in taxes

Demicrats stay in power by keeping people in poverty and rewarding people for being dysfunctional. Republicans do just the opposite.

If the entire United States consisted only of Republicans, the USA would once again be a proud nation and the number one economy in the world.

If the entire United Sates consisted only of Demicrats, we would be a nation consisting of government workers and welfare/unemployment recepients.

The US would get along just fine without Demicrats, but would founder without Republicans.

Dress it up however you want, but just imagine a moment if the US was comprised solely of demicrats. Scary huh!

As has already been pointed out by others - and there's no sense repeating the stats again - what you've said is completely, totally, utterly wrong. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own 'facts'.

It does beg the question though: how can you be so completely misinformed, particularly on something that shapes such an important decision as to who you choose to vote for to lead policy in your own city/state/country.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who vote GOP for their own, legitimate, reasons but it simply boggles the mind that others do it on the basis of being completely misinformed. Wilfully blind even.

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for Mississippi..... (This is another strong Demicratic state.)

Wot utter nonsense- are you actually from America? If so, you should secede (for their sake). M'suppi is a very strong Red state-

MISSISSIPPI VOTING HISTORY

Last 10 Elections
1972 R
1976 D
1980 R
1984 R
1988 R
1992 R
1996 R
2000 R
2004 R
2008 R
2012 R
Mississippi Presidential Election Voting History

Or are you blaming the fact that the Republicans have won every election since 1976 on voter fraud?

^^^interesting stats - thanks.

^^^^
Thanks, Snub. It confirms why Rethugs are against education. They need all the ditto heads they can get to save their dying movement.

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by RickThai

Look at any political demographics (Republican vs Demicrat) and you will see:

a) Republican counties have less crime
b) Repulican counties have less unemployment (read less "po people")
c) Republican counties have less dependence upon the government
d) Republican counties pay less in taxes

Let's see those stats.

BTW

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth - Bloomberg

If the entire United Sates consisted only of Demicrats, we would be a nation consisting of government workers and welfare/unemployment recepients.

Absolutely not true. A total falsehood.

As for Mississippi........ (This is another strong Demicratic state.)

Another untrue statement.


Just because Republicans believe their "truths" to be so, doesn't make them fact.

You conveniently forgot to mention crime stats.

As for Mississippi I was referring to "local" government not national.

And sure Republican countys are showing the most government dependent "growth". Do to liberal policys, the average American whos wants to work (Republicans) are losing the jobs, hence the "growth". Democrat countys have been on the dole for generations.

Simple "logic": Liberal laws make it more costly to do business in the US. US businesses relocate to more hospitable environs (Mexico, etc). More and more middle-class wind up on welfare. The Liberal government grows bigger and bigger. Eventually the "carrying capacity" of the USA (the US taxpayers) can no longer afford the cost (hence more and more borrowing from China, etc.). So eventually you reach a point of no return, too many people dependent upon the government for food, clothing, housing etc. and not enough working people to pay for everything (You can't count government employees because they cost more than they pay in taxes). So finally, other countries will no longer loan the US money and start demanding we pay it back. With what?

With a large (40-70%) of the population dependent upon the government for their jobs and their welfare, what follows is civil strife as the money, food, etc dry up.

At that point, the Democrat will have won! Yeah for them.

Alternative. Everyone obeys the laws and the laws are written to give people individual freedoms, and individual responsilities. People who refuse to work will either starve or become reliant upon relatives (not the government). With lower taxes and a business-friendly environment, people will earn money and spend money, and our country just gets greater.

Which of these scenarios do you want for this country?

RickThai

^ You conveniently forgot to include ANY stats to back up the statements you made, then tell me I "forgot crime stats"? WTF?

Jobs were flowing overseas well before Obama and his "liberal laws." Seems some people have just now opened their eyes to a problem which has been getting increasingly worse for the last 20 years and excellerated under GWB.

While the scenario that government grows bigger and bigger in order to keep people fed and sheltered is well founded, you miss one important factor. Big corporations which have sent jobs overseas are making all time high profits while paying little taxes. The money they save by hiring at low wages and not paying for healthcare goes directly into the pockets of their shareholders and executives. They intentionally push the onus back on the government to pay for their American workers.

People are not refusing to work. People want to work. Give them jobs with decent pay and they are happy.

Originally Posted by misskit

They intentionally push the onus back on the government to pay for their American workers.

Indeed- I mean, how bad is it that an American can be employed, and still eligible for food stamps? That's corporate socialism, plain and simple. The government is subsidising employers to employ people, in shit jobs that don't pay a living wage.

And then there are these little gems, one of several stat's the 'poor besieged' rich businessman would prefer you not see-

An amount equal to ONE-HALF the GDP is held untaxed overseas by rich Americans.

Corporations stopped paying HALF OF THEIR TAXES after the recession.
- After paying an average of 22.5% from 1987 to 2008, corporations have paid an annual rate of 10% since. This represents a sudden $250 billion annual loss in taxes.
U.S. corporations have shown a pattern of tax reluctance for more than 50 years, despite building their businesses with American research and infrastructure. They've passed the responsibility on to their workers. For every dollar of workers' payroll tax paid in the 1950s, corporations paid three dollars. Now it's 22 cents.


Tax deductions for the rich could pay off 100 PERCENT of the deficit.

Full article- Ten Numbers the Rich Would Like Fudged | Alternet


Of course, the mere fact I have pointed out these inconvenient statistics makes me a commie. Or a damn Factchecker, same thing apparently.