Thread: John McCain

"One day, John, all this will be yours."

"There won't be anything left by the time you're finished, George."

there are so many things wrong with that hug.

^ What, coz you're not in it? Poor ray.

Here's an analysis of a recent ad by McCain. Below, is the actual ad.

Do you agree that this ad is misleading, after reading the analysis?

Analysis: McCain's Iran ad misleading

TITLE: "Tiny."
By The Associated Press

TITLE: "Tiny."
LENGTH: 30 seconds.
AIRING: In key states where McCain is on the air.


SCRIPT: Announcer: "Iran. Radical Islamic government. Known sponsors of terrorism. Developing nuclear capabilities to 'generate power' but threatening to eliminate Israel. Obama says Iran is a 'tiny' country, 'doesn't pose a serious threat.' Terrorism, destroying Israel, those aren't 'serious threats'? Obama - dangerously unprepared to be president."


John McCain: "I'm John McCain and I approved this message."


ANALYSIS: The ad is misleading because it states that Obama said Iran is "tiny" and "doesn't pose a serious threat" without noting that Obama was comparing the threat Iran poses today to the Soviet Union, the nuclear-armed adversary of the U.S. during the Cold War.


The nature of the threat from Iran, which the U.S. believes has nuclear ambitions, and how to deal with it are at the heart of a key policy debate for Obama and McCain. The ad seeks to boil down Obama's position to one that supports the McCain drumbeat that Obama isn't ready to be president.


For his part, McCain wants tougher sanctions on Iran and, like President Bush, doesn't support high-level talks with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both Republicans see talks with such adversaries as legitimizing them and bringing them unwarranted attention.


In July 2007, Obama first stirred debate among his rivals for the Democratic nomination as well as among Republicans by asserting that he would be willing to meet - without conditions - in the first year of his presidency with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. Obama later questioned whether Ahmadinejad would be "the right person" with whom to discuss U.S.-Iran relations. Still, Obama argues that direct diplomacy with Iran would help the U.S. press for tougher international sanctions.


Last May in Pendleton, Ore., Obama reiterated his belief that the U.S. is strong enough to talk with its adversaries. In calling Iran "tiny" compared to the Soviet Union and having a small fraction of the Soviet military force, he noted that direct diplomacy with the Soviets was a bipartisan policy for decades in spite of their threat.


"Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries," Obama said at the time. "I mean, think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, 'We're going to wipe you off the planet.'"
KEY IMAGES: Photographs of Ahmadinejad and a sign that reads, "Don't forget to say death to America," the image of an industrial plant, a photo of Ahmadinejad looking at machinery, a photo of Obama that is followed by armed foreign soldiers, a terrorist and the Israeli flag before another photo of Obama. The spot ends with a photo of McCain.

Link: Politics | Analysis: McCain's Iran ad misleading | Seattle Times Newspaper



Ad:

Here's my VP pick for McC: Lieberman.

^ Not a bad pick at all Jet, but I think the Republican party machine would consider him too liberal (in reality, Centrist). He'd certainly steal some votes off the undecided Hillaryites though.

Originally Posted by sabang

but I think the Republican party machine would consider him too liberal

ya think?

• Day 1: Repeal the Bush restrictions on stem cell research. (Jan 2004)
• Keep abortion safe, rare and legal; with 24-week viability. (Dec 2003)
• FDA’s RU-486 decision stands; it’s made properly by experts. (Oct 2000)
• Leave abortion decision to a woman, her doctor, and her god. (Oct 2000)
• Rejected partial-birth ban since it ignored maternal health. (Oct 2000)
• Supports abortion rights within his faith, not despite it. (Sep 2000)
• Parental consent with judicial override; Gore agrees. (Aug 2000)
• Supported parental notification for minors; but pro-choice. (Aug 2000)
• Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
• Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
• Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
• Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
• Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
• Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
• Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
• Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
• Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
• Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
• Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
• Protect the reproductive rights of women. (Jan 1993)

if you want to guarantee that the base stays home, put pro choice jew from NE on the republican ticket.

that said, there something peculiar going on between rove, lieberman and mccain...

Republican strategist Karl Rove called Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) late last week and urged him to contact Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) to withdraw his name from vice presidential consideration, according to three sources familiar with the conversation.

Lieberman dismissed the request, these sources agreed.

Lieberman “laughed at the suggestion and certainly did not call [McCain] on it,” said one source familiar with the details.

“Rove called Lieberman,” recounted a second source. “Lieberman told him he would not make that call.”

Rove did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

the most important thing to keep in mind is that rove is crafty. secondly, his legacy hinges on a republican being elected to the WH in 2008 just as much as GWB's does....this would be an interesting (and wholly disingenuous) way to make it seem like there really is sunlight between bush/mccain.

Joseph Lieberman on the Issues
Rove tried to kill Lieberman VP pick - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

Rove's only ideology is winning- so I reckon he wishes Mcsame chose Joe Lieberman.

Originally Posted by sabang

Rove's only ideology is winning- so I reckon he wishes Mcsame chose Joe Lieberman.

Mai kho jai?
Right or wrong, terrorists and appeasers of every stripe don't want McCain, eh?

Barry Obama ain't nearly as novel as he was yesterday.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Barry Obama ain't nearly as novel as he was yesterday.

He was...yesterday?

Originally Posted by sabang

Rove's only ideology is winning- so I reckon he wishes Mcsame chose Joe Lieberman.

McCain needed the Xtian right in his tent.

it seems GOP insiders came down hard on mccain and wouldn't let him pick lieberman....so he chose 'gimmick' instead. but with the convention looming, he didn't have time to truly vet 'gimmick' and her family.

should be fun to watch it all fall apart.

Originally Posted by raycarey

should be fun to watch it all fall apart.

What?
Greasy Pole-climber BO's campaign?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Greasy Pole-climber BO's campaign?

huh?
considering your track record (and the company your keep), i can only assume this is some sort of racial slur i'm unfamiliar with.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i can only assume this is some sort of racial slur i'm unfamiliar with.

Not a racial slur at all. Racial slurs have not worked. Change of tactics.

Urban Dictionary: pole climber

^
thanks for the link.....i guess.

Just For Jason

McCain Rescues US Flags from Democrats Trash Bin

Does it get worse? Now the Democrats are trashing the US Flag but we have a hero in John that comes to the rescue!

McCain Camp ‘Rescues’ Flags From Obama Rally - America’s Election HQ

I don't know if I would give McCain or his staff as much credit as this guy, but I do think they have team Obama all shook up:
RealClearPolitics - Articles - McCain Flies His Campaign Past Obama

John McCain was trained as a fighter pilot. In his selection of Sarah Palin, and in his convention and campaigning since, he has shown that he learned an important lesson from his fighter pilot days: He has gotten inside Barack Obama's OODA loop.

The Palin selection -- and her performance at the convention and on the stump -- seems to be having that effect. Obama chief strategist David Axelrod admitted of the Palin pick: "I can honestly say we weren't prepared for that. I mean, her name wasn't on anybody's list." But it was known that McCain's VP adviser had traveled to Alaska, and anyone clicking on youtube.com could see Palin's impressive performance in political debates. The McCain campaign shrewdly kept the information that she was on the short list and that she was the choice to a half-dozen people, who didn't tell even their spouses. The Obama team failed to Observe.

I would agree that they failed to properly address Palin, but I think the bigger issue is not their failure to get to the core of things with Palin, but that they have wasted so much time and energy on Palin rather than the guy Obama is actaully running against - McCain.

Then they failed to Orient. Palin, as her convention and subsequent appearances have shown, powerfully reinforces two McCain themes: She is a maverick who has taken on the leaders of her own party (as Obama never has in Chicago), and she has a record on energy of favoring drilling and exploiting American resources. Instead of undermining these themes, they dismissed the choice as an attempt to appeal to female Hillary Clinton supporters or to religious conservatives.

Then team Obama and its many backers in the media failed to Decide correctly, so when they Acted they got it wrong. Their attacks on Palin tended to ricochet and hit Obama. Is she inexperienced? Well, what has Obama ever run (besides his now floundering campaign)? Being a small-town mayor, as Palin said, is like being a community organizer, "except that you have actual responsibilities."

Is she neglecting her family? Well, how often has Obama tucked his daughters in lately? For more than a week we've seen the No. 1 person on the Democratic ticket argue that he's better prepared than the No. 2 person on the Republican ticket. That's not a winning argument even if you win it. As veteran California Democrat Willie Brown says, "The Republicans are now on offense, and Democrats are on defense."

The way ABC has broken up the Palin interview only helps to keep Palin front and center to draw fire from the blue team.

^ Good article, Bugs, thanks. I'm wondering, WHERE is Michelle these days? She didn't go to the 9/11 ceremony in NYC (that ticked me off) and hasn't been seen much. Blacklisted? (Oh, sorry, is that racist?)

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

She didn't go to the 9/11 ceremony in NYC (that ticked me off)

yeah, i bet.
i'm sure you were absolutely offended that she wasn't there.
this is exactly the same sense of phony outrage that the mccain campaign has been using recently.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Blacklisted? (Oh, sorry, is that racist?)

yes, because it was clearly your intent to make a disparaging remark and tie it to her race.

but go ahead and tell me you were just making a joke and it had nothing to do with her race.

^So, were is she? Muzzled like they should do to Biden?