San Francisco Values

**Jet Gorgon** · 22-03-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Looks like it was addressed to me.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Antonyms, no?

No.

Actually, yes. A basher and a thumper are not the same.

**stroller** · 22-03-2008, 08:12 PM

"bible-thumper" and "bible-basher", Jet.

Look it up in a dictionary or read ray's quote.

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Frank Chu was on hand as well, sporting one of his incomprehensible signs.

but..but he is a Republican

Ronald Reagan was a Republican and brought down the Berlin Wall...

**stroller** · 22-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ronald Reagan was a Republican and brought down the Berlin Wall...

...single-handedly.
So what's your beef with Frank Chu, another proponent of the Great Old Party?

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ronald Reagan was a Republican and brought down the Berlin Wall...

...single-handedly.
So what's your beef with Frank Chu, another proponent of the Great Old Party?

Actually, never heard of him before Zombie decided to feature him...

**lom** · 23-03-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ronald Reagan was a Republican and brought down the Berlin Wall...

Really? In which of his movies was that?

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ronald Reagan was a Republican and brought down the Berlin Wall...

Really? In which of his movies was that?

Uh...recall that Gorbachev fella?

Well, 'ole Ronnie told him to 'tear down this wall' & he did!

**stroller** · 23-03-2008, 04:58 PM

Gorbachev tore down the Berlin wall???

Which history blog have you mistakenly clicked on recently, Boon Mee?

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Gorbachev tore down the Berlin wall???

Which history blog have you mistakenly clicked on recently, Boon Mee?

OK, OK, it might not have been Gorbachev himself that physically ripped the bricks asunder but it was under his direction the wall came down:

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

"On June 12, 1987, President Ronald Reagan spoke the people of West Berlin at the base of the Brandenburg Gate, near the Berlin wall. Due to the amplification system being used, the President's words could also be heard on the Eastern (Communist-controlled) side of the wall. The address Reagan delivered that day is considered by many to have affirmed the beginning of the end of the Cold War and the fall of communism. On Nov. 9-11, 1989, the people of a free Berlin tore down that wall."

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

**stroller** · 23-03-2008, 05:15 PM

Wasn't the wall torn down by the German people in the wake of East-Germany's overthrow of the Soviet puppet regime?

Actually, the Pope deserves more credit than Reagan for encouraging East-German dissent.

**lom** · 23-03-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The address Reagan delivered that day is considered by many to have affirmed the beginning of the end of the Cold War and the fall of communism.

A lot of uneducated people, is that "many"?

affirmed the beginning....

More important than Reagans speach was Erich Honeckers resignation and loss of grip of Stasi.
Or if you want to go longer back in time, the death of Brezhnev.

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 05:31 PM

^ some people would rather believe that it was all because of a speech given by an aging actor with alzheimer's.

you see, it's easier that way.

**lom** · 23-03-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

it was under his direction

For gods sake Booners, Reagan was an actor not a director.

**barbaro** · 23-03-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Wasn't the wall torn down by the German people in the wake of East-Germany's overthrow of the Soviet puppet regime?

Actually, the Pope deserves more credit than Reagan for encouraging East-German desent.

I agree with Stroll.

The Pope is not given enought credit by many Americans.

Reagan was one piece of a big puzzle.

The USSR basically self-imploded. The economy of the Soviet Union started declining at least by 1960 and the US knew it.

The CCCP was producing products that no one wanted to buy or use, and they also had waste, corruption/graft and inflation.

Reagan was one of many factors. But he wasn't the main factors.

I don't understand how people oversimply so easily.

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

The Pope is not given enought credit

benedict, i think your opinion on this is less than biased.

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Reagan was one of many factors. But he wasn't the main factors.

Ahh...but he was the straw that broke the back. Go ahead and claim Breznev, the implotation of the Stasi etc but it was Reagan's speech that gave the German people the will to actually to the deed.

**stroller** · 23-03-2008, 06:47 PM

Oh boy, you have no idea how much that senile actor was despised in Germany.

He's responsible for riots and the underground being torched in protest of his visit, not the Berlin wall.

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

but it was Reagan's speech that gave the German people the will to actually to the deed.

how do you know this boon mee? citations please. thanks.

**lom** · 23-03-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

it was Reagan's speech that gave the German people the will to actually to the deed

You can keep that for the American history book.
And it will be an easy task for coming European generations to take the piss out of the Americans.

Reagans speech was insignificant but I'll give him A+ for good timing.

Do you really believe in what you're writing Booners?

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Reagans speech was insignificant but I'll give him A+ for good timing.

Timing's everything I'm sure y'all agree!

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

but it was Reagan's speech that gave the German people the will to actually to the deed.

how do you know this boon mee? citations please. thanks.

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

but it was Reagan's speech that gave the German people the will to actually to the deed.

how do you know this boon mee? citations please. thanks.

Mods! Mods! Thought double posts were verbotten?

It's really not my inclination to feed a Troll such as yourself RC but I'll be brief:

Before the speech = no action.

After the speech = action.

Do try to pay attention - there's a good lad...

**stroller** · 23-03-2008, 11:43 PM

Yep, asking someone to back up their claims is trolling, no doubt.
Still, you are wrong, Boon Mee.

Brief and to the point, too:

It was my good friend Klaus Obermeier who singlehandedly tore down the Berlin wall, events accelerated after his speech at Saarbrucken Student Union.

**lom** · 23-03-2008, 11:59 PM

^No it wasn't, it was Pink Floyd. I have the video of it.

**Boon Mee** · 24-03-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Yep, asking someone to back up their claims is trolling, no doubt.
Still, you are wrong, Boon Mee.

Brief and to the point, too:

It was my good friend Klaus Obermeier who singlehandedly tore down the Berlin wall, events accelerated after his speech at Saarbrucken Student Union.

Well, too bad 'ole Klaus didn't get the credit for it for as y'all say, it was Ronald Reagen!

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