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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Check your PMs.
    ???

    Last Pm i got was from another forum member 27/08/21.

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    Defo sent you one earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The highjackers didn't have Boeing aircraft sim training.
    Yes they did. It is well documented that they had training on a B-727.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Me miss! Me miss!

    A Boeing?

    There are some who maintain that the mythical 9/11 hijackers, although proven to be too incompetent to fly a little Cessna 172, had acquired the impressive skills that enabled them to fly airliners by training in flight simulators.


    What follows is an attempt to bury this myth once and for all, because I’ve heard this ludicrous explanation bandied about, ad nauseam, on the Internet and the TV networks—invariably by people who know nothing substantive about flight simulators, flying, or even airplanes.


    A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how “easy” it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the “open sky”. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot.

    And this, precisely, is what the four hijacker pilots who could not fly a Cessna around an airport by themselves are alleged to have accomplished in multi-ton, high-speed commercial jets on 9/11.


    In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted “hard” instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying “blind”, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn’t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as “IFR”, or Instrument Flight Rules.


    Let me place this in the context of the 9/11 hijacker-pilots. These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172 — an elementary exercise that involves flying this little trainer once around the patch on a sunny day. A student’s first solo flight involves a simple circuit: take-off, followed by four gentle left turns ending with a landing back on the runway. This is as basic as flying can possibly get.

    Now let’s take a look at American Airlines Flight 77. Passenger/hijacker Hani Hanjour presumably rises from his seat midway through the flight, viciously fights his way into the cockpit with his cohorts, overpowers Captain Charles F. Burlingame and First Officer David Charlebois, and somehow manages to toss them out of the cockpit (for starters, very difficult to achieve in a cramped environment without inadvertently impacting the yoke and thereby disengaging the autopilot). One would correctly presume that this would present considerable difficulties to a little chap with a box cutter—Burlingame was a tough, burly, ex-Vietnam F4 fighter jock who had flown over 100 combat missions. Every pilot who knows him says that rather than politely hand over the controls, Burlingame would have instantly rolled the plane on its back so that Hanjour would have broken his neck when he hit the floor. But let’s ignore this almost natural reaction expected of a fighter pilot and proceed with this charade.



    Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Yes they did. It is well documented that they had training on a B-727.

    According to FAA radar controllers, “Flight 77” then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which “Hanjour” allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn’t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).
    The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O’Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, “The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.” (Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered - Looking Glass News)

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    "Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor" - James Fetzer

    The University of Minnesota Duluth's position on James Fetzer's conspiracy theories.

    James Fetzer is a UMD Philosophy Professor Emeritus and conspiracy theorist. He retired from UMD in 2006. His theories are his own and are not endorsed by the University of Minnesota Duluth or the University of Minnesota System.
    As faculty emeriti, Fetzer's work is protected by the University of Minnesota Regents Policy on Academic Freedom, which protects creative expression and the ability to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy As Larry View Post
    "Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor" - James Fetzer

    The University of Minnesota Duluth's position on James Fetzer's conspiracy theories.

    James Fetzer is a UMD Philosophy Professor Emeritus and conspiracy theorist. He retired from UMD in 2006. His theories are his own and are not endorsed by the University of Minnesota Duluth or the University of Minnesota System.
    As faculty emeriti, Fetzer's work is protected by the University of Minnesota Regents Policy on Academic Freedom, which protects creative expression and the ability to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint.
    Your ass is an inside job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy As Larry View Post
    "Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor" - James Fetzer

    The University of Minnesota Duluth's position on James Fetzer's conspiracy theories.

    James Fetzer is a UMD Philosophy Professor Emeritus and conspiracy theorist. He retired from UMD in 2006. His theories are his own and are not endorsed by the University of Minnesota Duluth or the University of Minnesota System.
    As faculty emeriti, Fetzer's work is protected by the University of Minnesota Regents Policy on Academic Freedom, which protects creative expression and the ability to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint.
    Nutters attract nutters like flies to a turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    the mythical 9/11 hijackers
    And Backspit's bullshit keeps going down the drain from here. As usual, when shown to be wrong he doubles down and veers . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    It was an interesting debate to join more than a decade ago.

    Now?

    PNAC and the Clean Break papers wanted a different middle east and PNAC even hoped for a "pearl harbor" event to make it happen — invasion of Iraq: Most of them later joined the Dubya Admin.

    For those who believe the conspiracy theory that some arab boys hung around titty bars in florida while attending flight training classes for small planes — and then pulled off 911.

    up.to.you

    I disagree Sam. It was far easier to go along with the official conspiracy early on. A lot of things like Syria, libya, Ukraine and have happened since and far more ppl are skeptical now than they were then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    Now let’s take a look at American Airlines Flight 77. Passenger/hijacker Hani Hanjour

    Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.

    Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot’s certificate in April 1999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Now let’s take a look at American Airlines Flight 77. Passenger/hijacker Hani Hanjour

    Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot’s certificate in April 1999.
    Backspit just gets knocked down with facts very single time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Your ass is an inside job
    I have come across some moronic individuals in my time, but you take the biscuit.
    I don't put people on ignore here as I usually just don't read threads I am not interested in or posts by people I have no time for.
    You seem to be happy posting your garbage all over the forum. In future I'll try to do better in ignoring your crap.

    In the meantime go fuck yourself. You really must be a source of pride to all that know you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy As Larry View Post
    I have come across some moronic individuals in my time, but you take the biscuit.
    Oh I put skiddy on ignore a long time ago along with klondick.

    They don't only take the biscuit but for stupidity, the entire biscuit manufacturing and distribution industry.

    Pair of blathering fuckwits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    According to FAA radar controllers, “Flight 77” then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which “Hanjour” allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn’t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).
    The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O’Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, “The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.” (Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered - Looking Glass News)
    It didn't certainly pop up, it was tracked from take- off and the time of hijack is known to the nearest couple of minutes. The passengers used their mobiles to tell the world what was happening ffs.

    A rate 2 level turn is precise but once it becomes a climbing or descending turn it is far less precise. The black boxes were retrieved and they were on autopilot until the last few minutes of flight.

    The traffic controllers did indeed confuse the plane with a military one, simply because it wasn't flying like an airliner would be expected to fly.

    The hijackers included a fully qualified airline pilot.

    You are failing miserably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The passengers used their mobiles to tell the world what was happening ffs.
    There had been a lot of discussions about use of the mobiles in the planes. Some claimed that the mobiles could not been able to work over a certain height (3,000 ft?).

    And that the info was later changed that the calls were from flight phones in the back seats.

    However, other info was that those flights were not furnished with such flight phones. So, what was the conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    what was the conclusion?
    The conclusion is that you and backspin are complete fucken numpties and will stoop at nothing to obsfucate and obscure and facts about 9/11 to further your own agendas. Traitor.

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    Backspin has become something of an ENT.

    I wonder why ?

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    Tony Blair was warned there could be a UK terrorist attack "even more appalling" than 9/11, declassified government documents have revealed.

    Days after the 2001 US attacks, the then prime minister was told of the dangers of weapons of mass destruction.

    In the letter, ex-defence minister Sir John Stanley said he was almost certain terrorists would get a "dirty" bomb.

    The papers also reveal how Baroness Thatcher wrote to Mr Blair to praise his "resolve" following the attacks.


    Tony Blair was warned of '''appalling''' attack on UK after 9/11 - BBC News


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