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    I am not a hardcore truther. I just find this part awfully hard to believe. To make an accurate hit , you have to take wind direction and all kinds of shit into consideration. And yet here they are , 3 bullseyes. Hand flying at excess of 500 knots.

    HIJACKERS '-' 911 Pilots.org

    Having only trained in light, single-engine Cessna aircraft, none of these poorly trained and inexperienced alleged 9/11 Muslim hijackers had ever flown a heavy commercial jet aircraft in their life and yet on that fateful day they each managed to precisely hit their targets on the first attempt flying at speeds in excess of 400 to 500 knots.


    United Flight 175 approached the South Tower of the World Trade Center from the south in a descending left hand turn accelerating to 590 mph. Within 12 seconds to impact, the aircraft made a slight left turn with a bank angle of twenty degrees to precisely strike the building. Had the aircraft not made this turn at exactly that moment with the correct angle of bank, the aircraft would have missed the building by 800 feet, a maneuver that even the most experienced pilots could not have performed at that speed.



    The purported profile flown by alleged Muslim hijacker Hani Hanjour who supposedly piloted American Airlines flight 77 that allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11 could not have been performed by the most experienced pilots in the world. The aircraft was reported to have conducted a descending and accelerating 330 degree corkscrew turn from 7000 feet west of the Pentagon to arrive precisely at ground level to strike the Office of Naval Intelligence at nearly 500 miles per hour. This maneuver was replicated in a flight simulator. Highly experienced pilots could not perform this maneuver on successive attempts without crashing and yet, according to the official narrative, Hani Hanjour accomplished this amazing aerial feat on the first attempt with minimal aircraft experience training in light Cessna aircraft having only a few hundred hours of total flight time.


    Last edited by Backspin; 11-09-2021 at 04:38 AM.

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    wuz it joos ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    that similar advanced technology was employed
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    accomplished this amazing aerial feat
    only seppos could be that good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And for someone like you, the CIA just doesn't exist.
    Oh they exist, and have a track record of fuck-ups about 500 miles long. The latest being their intelligence gathering and briefings of what would happen if US forces pulled out of Afghanistan overnight, or do you think Biden just woke up one morning and suddenly said to himself let's do just that and see what happens...

    If the CIA had have been on the ball 9/11 would have never happened and everyone intent on doing harm that day would have been in jail, shot dead, or simply vanished off the face of the Earth after telling everything they know. So in a way they were behind it to some level, but not in the way conspiracy theory whack-jobs believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Oh they exist, and have a track record of fuck-ups about 500 miles long. The latest being their intelligence gathering and briefings of what would happen if US forces pulled out of Afghanistan overnight, or do you think Biden just woke up one morning and suddenly said to himself let's do just that and see what happens...

    If the CIA had have been on the ball 9/11 would have never happened and everyone intent on doing harm that day would have been in jail, shot dead, or simply vanished off the face of the Earth after telling everything they know. So in a way they were behind it to some level, but not in the way conspiracy theory whack-jobs believe.

    Wow. There's Boomer takes. Then there's this Boomer take. You don't have a clue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And didn't we believe to the guy showing the test-tube in SC UN (I do not dare to place here his picture with his 2 friends sitting behind him.)
    Actually, the test-tube that time shown was with Anthrax. Wasn't it a conspiracy theory? The whole world afraid that Saddam will mail to all of us? First to some senators. All MSM played the story every day...

    Finally what happened with the story? What really happened? Didn't the Anthrax come from Lab in Fort Detrick?

    Anyway, the one responsible for that research has committed suicide, case closed (MSM quiet).
    Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I am not a hardcore truther. I just find this part awfully hard to believe. To make an accurate hit , you have to take wind direction and all kinds of shit into consideration. And yet here they are , 3 bullseyes. Hand flying at excess of 500 knots.

    HIJACKERS '-' 911 Pilots.org

    Having only trained in light, single-engine Cessna aircraft, none of these poorly trained and inexperienced alleged 9/11 Muslim hijackers had ever flown a heavy commercial jet aircraft in their life and yet on that fateful day they each managed to precisely hit their targets on the first attempt flying at speeds in excess of 400 to 500 knots.


    United Flight 175 approached the South Tower of the World Trade Center from the south in a descending left hand turn accelerating to 590 mph. Within 12 seconds to impact, the aircraft made a slight left turn with a bank angle of twenty degrees to precisely strike the building. Had the aircraft not made this turn at exactly that moment with the correct angle of bank, the aircraft would have missed the building by 800 feet, a maneuver that even the most experienced pilots could not have performed at that speed.



    The purported profile flown by alleged Muslim hijacker Hani Hanjour who supposedly piloted American Airlines flight 77 that allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11 could not have been performed by the most experienced pilots in the world. The aircraft was reported to have conducted a descending and accelerating 330 degree corkscrew turn from 7000 feet west of the Pentagon to arrive precisely at ground level to strike the Office of Naval Intelligence at nearly 500 miles per hour. This maneuver was replicated in a flight simulator. Highly experienced pilots could not perform this maneuver on successive attempts without crashing and yet, according to the official narrative, Hani Hanjour accomplished this amazing aerial feat on the first attempt with minimal aircraft experience training in light Cessna aircraft having only a few hundred hours of total flight time.


    tl;dr version

    Socal: ‘how can I make the anniversary of 9/11 about me and my incessant beta cuck need for attention…?’

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post





    only seppos could be that good
    Its called military precision. There is no way these cocksuckers hand flew an aircraft at 500 knots into a building with cruise missile precision. Let alone 3 of them.

    Do you even fuckin realize what tiny hand inputs do to the direction of a plane at those speeds ?

    Look at the top right hand corner of this GIF. You can see a little dot moving. That's the 2nd plane. Its diving out of the sky at the building. That's not hand flying. No fucking way.



    Here's the full video of the 2nd plane. Hand flying MY ASS


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Its called military precision.
    you fcuking naive tard - you have no experience with any military

    let me spell it out for you - the only time the military is precise , is in the movies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Didn't the covid-19 come from Lab in Fort Detrick?
    FIFY.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Its called military precision. There is no way these cocksuckers hand flew an aircraft at 500 knots into a building with cruise missile precision. Let alone 3 of them.
    So you're going with the hologram theory then I take it? Or have you got some other whack-job fantasy that makes you look even more retarded, though some might say there's not much wriggle room left there after what you've posted already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Or have you got some other whack-job fantasy that makes you look even more retarded
    I do not think that is possible at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I do not think that is possible at this point.
    How low can he go? It's a one man mission into the depths of out and out stupidity.

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    * He just went much lower*

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    * He just went much lower*
    Skiddy's got a long way to go to out-retard klondick.

    A very long way.

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    He’s giving it a jolly good try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Skiddy's got a long way to go to out-retard klondick.

    A very long way.
    Especially when the "out-retard" debunks the 'arry's lies and fake news for which he will have to return now the lobbying money to Big Pharma...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    lies and fake news for which he will have to return now the lobbying money to Big Pharma.
    what happens when you say that out loud ?

    or are you worried about being heard by the illumananti ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Skiddy's got a long way to go to out-retard klondick.
    One helluva claim.

    But...yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    So you're going with the hologram theory then I take it? Or have you got some other whack-job fantasy that makes you look even more retarded, though some might say there's not much wriggle room left there after what you've posted already.

    No ! For fuck sakes. I am going with this theory

    The aircraft were electronically hijacked through employment of a system called the uninterruptible autopilot that enables a remote source to take complete control of the aircraft autopilot and flight management computers and guide it to its target. Once engaged, the pilots cannot disconnect the system”. – Captain Dan Hanley

    Remote controlled aircraft technology has existed as far back as over 75 years ago in 1944 when, towards the end of World War II, the US military launched Operation Aphrodite. By gutting out old B-17s to lessen weight, these aircraft were then loaded with 30,000 pounds of Torpex, a highly incendiary compound.

    Pilots were required to make the takeoff but, once airborne, would bail out of the aircraft while an aircraft high overhead would remotely guide aircraft to their targets in Europe and crash them into enemy below.
    John F. Kennedy’s older brother, Joe, was killed on one of these top secret missions when, due to a malfunction, the aircraft blew up before he was able to bailout.


    Forty years later, in 1984 due to rapidly advancing technology, the FAA and NASA conducted a joint crash test experiment in a remote location, to test crew and passenger survivability in the event of aircraft crash landing.



    Using a large 4-engine jet aircraft, a B-720, and without pilots and passengers onboard, the aircraft was remotely guided to takeoff, fly around the traffic pattern and auto land six times, before being intentionally crash landed.



    Jumping ahead two decades to the mid-1990s, a system was developed and produced called the uninterruptible autopilot whose design purpose was to prevent would-be hijackers from commandeering a commercial jet aircraft in flight by remotely taking control of the aircraft autopilot and flight navigation systems and routing it to an airport where a safe auto landing could be made. Once this system is engaged, the pilots cannot disengage the autopilot/navigation systems by any means and are along for the ride.

    Proof that this system exists is given by this Wikipedia article entitled Boeing-Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot.


    So one must ask oneself…did highly inexperienced hijackers pilot the aircraft that day or were the aircraft remotely guided via the uninterruptible autopilot? You be the judge.

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    A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how ?easy? it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the ?open sky?. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot.

    And this, precisely, is what the four hijacker pilots who could not fly a Cessna around an airport are alleged to have accomplished in multi-ton, high-speed commercial jets on 9/11.

    For a person not conversant with the practical complexities of pilotage, a modern flight simulator could present a terribly confusing and disorienting experience. These complex training devices are not even remotely similar to the video games one sees in amusement arcades, or even the software versions available for home computers.

    In order to operate a modern flight simulator with any level of skill, one has to not only be a decent pilot to begin with, but also a skilled instrument-rated one to boot ? and be thoroughly familiar with the actual aircraft type the simulator represents, since the cockpit layouts vary between aircraft.

    The only flight domains where an arcade/PC-type game would even begin to approach the degree of visual realism of a modern professional flight simulator would be during the take-off and landing phases. During these phases, of course, one clearly sees the bright runway lights stretched out ahead, and even peripherally sees images of buildings, etc. moving past. Take-offs?even landings, to a certain degree?are relatively ?easy?, because the pilot has visual reference cues that exist ?outside? the cockpit.

    But once you?ve rotated, climbed out, and reached cruising altitude in a simulator (or real airplane), and find yourself en route to some distant destination (using sophisticated electronic navigation techniques), the situation changes drastically: the pilot loses virtually all external visual reference cues. S/he is left entirely at the mercy of an array of complex flight and navigation instruments to provide situational cues (altitude, heading, speed, attitude, etc.)

    In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted ?hard? instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying ?blind?, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn?t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as ?IFR?, or Instrument Flight Rules.

    And IFR Rule #1: Never take your eyes off your instruments, because that?s all you have!

    The corollary to Rule #1: If you can?t read the instruments in a quick, smooth, disciplined, scan, you?re as good as dead. Accident records from around the world are replete with reports of any number of good pilots ? I.e., professional instrument-rated pilots ? who ?bought the farm? because they screwed up while flying in IFR conditions.

    Let me place this in the context of the 9/11 hijacker-pilots. These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172 ? an elementary exercise that involves flying this little trainer once around the patch on a sunny day. A student?s first solo flight involves a simple circuit: take-off, followed by four gentle left turns ending with a landing back on the runway. This is as basic as flying can possibly get.

    Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.

    In fact, here?s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:

    Mohammed Atta: "His attention span was zero."

    Khalid Al-Mihdhar: "We didn't kick him out, but he didn't live up to our standards."

    Marwan Al-Shehhi: ?He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.?

    Salem Al-Hazmi: "We advised him to quit after two lessons.?

    Hani Hanjour: "His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I?m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.?

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    Your dedication to being a fucking idiot would almost be admirable but for the fact that, well, you know, you are being a fucking idiot.

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    ^^^The pilot is some Paki residing in Islamabad who makes a living pedalling bullshit to the gullible, send the cvnt a hundred bucks and he'll tell you your fortune too.

    The link you provided about uninteruptible auto-pilot includes this nugget:
    Conspiracy theorists have claimed that the technology has been secretly fitted to some commercial airliners.

    Seriously, get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^^^The pilot is some Paki residing in Islamabad who makes a living pedalling bullshit to the gullible, send the cvnt a hundred bucks and he'll tell you your fortune too.

    The link you provided about uninteruptible auto-pilot includes this nugget:
    Conspiracy theorists have claimed that the technology has been secretly fitted to some commercial airliners.

    Seriously, get a grip.
    Yeah no shit. Of course it's going to fucking say that. Wikipedia is managed by the same ppl who manage the US mainstream media. It's their word against anyone who's descenting from the official narrative.

    You don't believe the official media has ever lied to you once.

    I am 60/40 on the whole thing. You are 100% for the official story.

    You know there are conspiracies like the Gulf of Tonkin that turned out to be true.Yet you seem to think you know when they are lying and when they aren't
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    ^So you're saying the sources you gave to prove your case can't be believed as well. Well there's one thing we agree on, now if you'll just admit you're a total fucking retard there'll be 2 things.

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