Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Hi ENT,

Still drinking piss like its going out of fashion EH.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

You're right, they weren't very good at all, they crashed all of them.

Damn! I thought of a similar response too but didn't post it! Thought fer sure someone had done so already at some point along this never ending fantasy of a thread.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

From your post #5345, above;

"The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses."

Agreed, for a Cessna.

"There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated."

Not true. There were several skilled manoeuvres necessary, least of all avoiding other aircraft while flying with ACARS off.


" there was not much real flying involved."

You must be joking!

Not joking at all. You really don't seem to know very much about what actually happened that day....you just read all the fabricated and highly imaginative bullshit posted on the internet by professional con artists or make shit up to argue round in circles.

So, for a trained pilot that has been taught the basics of aviation, navigation, air traffic control etc.... what is so complex about taking over the controls of an airliner and changing its course to collide with massive buildings that are in line of sight; after practicing on a simulator (of exactly the same type used by professional airline pilots for training)

These guys even made several trips on the airlines and routes to be used on 9/11 to become familiar with the whole process of takeoff, climbing to altitude etc.

Mohammed Atta even had it figured out to the exact best times to take over the flight deck. ie. 12-15 minutes after take off..when the doors are first opened and the flight and cabin crews are still distracted.

They knew exactly what to expect, when to expect it, and were fully engaged.

You say;

.... "You really don't seem to know very much about what actually happened that day....you just read all the fabricated and highly imaginative bullshit posted on the internet by professional con artists or make shit up to argue round in circles."

So you saw it all on TV and think you know all that happened, after watching fabricated videos.

Right.

They even knew when the cockpi doors would be open, you say.....
Where did you get that priceless gem?

And you somehow know that Atta was up to, his mental processes, thoughts and plans .....interesting,.....since he supposedly died attempting a hijack, ...so no-one knows what he was thinking, except you...of course.

I suppose that I could "become familiar with the whole process of takeoff, climbing to altitude etc." by just flying around as often as I do, as well, but that still doesn't make me familiar with flying a plane,...you idiot.

You should write adventure stories for boy scouts, mate.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

From your post #5345, above;

"The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses."

Agreed, for a Cessna.

"There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated."

Not true. There were several skilled manoeuvres necessary, least of all avoiding other aircraft while flying with ACARS off.


" there was not much real flying involved."

You must be joking!

Not joking at all. You really don't seem to know very much about what actually happened that day....you just read all the fabricated and highly imaginative bullshit posted on the internet by professional con artists or make shit up to argue round in circles.

So, for a trained pilot that has been taught the basics of aviation, navigation, air traffic control etc.... what is so complex about taking over the controls of an airliner and changing its course to collide with massive buildings that are in line of sight; after practicing on a simulator (of exactly the same type used by professional airline pilots for training)

These guys even made several trips on the airlines and routes to be used on 9/11 to become familiar with the whole process of takeoff, climbing to altitude etc.

Mohammed Atta even had it figured out to the exact best times to take over the flight deck. ie. 12-15 minutes after take off..when the doors are first opened and the flight and cabin crews are still distracted.

They knew exactly what to expect, when to expect it, and were fully engaged.

You say;

.... "You really don't seem to know very much about what actually happened that day....you just read all the fabricated and highly imaginative bullshit posted on the internet by professional con artists or make shit up to argue round in circles."

So you saw it all on TV and think you know all that happened, after watching fabricated videos.

Right.

They even knew when the cockpi doors would be open, you say.....
Where did you get that priceless gem?

And you somehow know that Atta was up to, his mental processes, thoughts and plans .....interesting,.....since he supposedly died attempting a hijack, ...so no-one knows what he was thinking, except you...of course.

I suppose that I could "become familiar with the whole process of takeoff, climbing to altitude etc." by just flying around as often as I do, as well, but that still doesn't make me familiar with flying a plane,...you idiot.

You should write adventure stories for boy scouts, mate.

Well seeing parts of it live on TV during breakfast did cause me to read up a bit and follow things along quite closely.... Fabricated videos are your department ENT.

I've read the conspiracy theories and watched lots of fabricated videos as well... it's not hard to dismiss them for what they are, but obviously you prefer to believe the fabricated stuff over live TV coverage with tens of thousands of people watching from the ground.

Some people choose to believe in fairies, Santa Claus and probably talking frogs. They believe what they wish to believe, however improbable it might be... people like you ENT....

Yawn.... simulators ENT...simulators..... you do know about simulators do you...? That's how Mr Atta and friends learned how to control a big plane....how many time does this have to be repeated for it to sink in...?

Cockpit doors routinely opened about 12-15 mins after clearing the runway......not crystal ball stuff ENT....just observation by someone who was keenly interested in such things... very useful information for anyone planning to hijack a plane you know.....

The rest of the comments in your last effort, are so ridiculous as to not warrant any kind of response. Carry on...

How about those Plutonium bombs with the 48 hours halflife...and the morphing plane images, you haven't thrown those in for a few pages now....

Originally Posted by koman

Cockpit doors routinely opened about 12-15 mins after clearing the runway......not crystal ball stuff ENT....just observation by someone who was keenly interested in such things... very useful information for anyone planning to hijack a plane you know...

Rubbish.

Quote your sources,...if any.

[QUOTE=koman;2871817]Yawn.... simulators ENT...simulators..... you do know about simulators do you...? That's how Mr Atta and friends learned how to control a big plane....how many time does this have to be repeated for it to sink in...?
/QUOTE]

More poppycock.

Flight simulators alone aren't adequate training to fly a Boeing airliner.

Hardlyable to fly a Cessna with a pilkot's licence from a discredited flying school doesn't make for a competent airline pilot.

He didn't have to be competent. Just able to fly for a while, in a general direction, then steer into a crash.


How many times do people need to repeat this till it gets into your thick skull ?

Oh...I see...you're "keeping the subject alive". In other words : trolling.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Cockpit doors routinely opened about 12-15 mins after clearing the runway......not crystal ball stuff ENT....just observation by someone who was keenly interested in such things... very useful information for anyone planning to hijack a plane you know...

Rubbish.

Quote your sources,...if any.

Who needs a source for that?

I used to visit mates up the front all the time on intra-gulf flights.

SOP until 9/11 frankly.

ENT's mind is flapping again.

A few drinks + being off his medication

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Cockpit doors routinely opened about 12-15 mins after clearing the runway......not crystal ball stuff ENT....just observation by someone who was keenly interested in such things... very useful information for anyone planning to hijack a plane you know...

Rubbish.

Quote your sources,...if any.

Who needs a source for that?

I used to visit mates up the front all the time on intra-gulf flights.

SOP until 9/11 frankly.

It was indeed quite routine prior to 9/11, before all the "enhanced security" stuff was implemented. You have to wonder if ENT has ever been on a plane.....

ENT....it's been stated over and over.....there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks. The real pilots got the planes off the ground and airborne. The hijackers had previously taken several trips, apparently to become familiar with the routines, and perhaps to get some sense of the airspace around the NYC area.

All that was required was the knowledge to be able to set a new course, speed and altitude. All that would have been learned and practiced in a flight simulator.....the crashing part did not need much in the way of specialized training; just the willingness to die, striking a blow against the great Satan.......

It's disappointing not to hear more about those Plutonium bombs and holograms.....cat got your tongue ENT?.....

I've just found out that the towers were actually brought down by a hydrogen bomb.

ENT YOU LIAR, YOU ARE AN AGENT FOR THE GLOBALISTS AND HAVE BEEN DISTRACTING US FROM THE TRUTH! WHY DID YOU KEEP THIS FROM US?!

All of them were Stealth Jew who killed thousands in WTC and Pentagon. They indeed used Hydrogen bombs. Don’t dare trust your stealth Jewish President.

WTC WAS DEMOLISHED BY HYDROGEN BOMB | 911justicehalifax


Nah, you're OK, I was just giving you some more nutjob reading material to have a wank over.

Look, another photo that proves something. Probably that nutjobs are shit at photoshop.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

ENT's mind is flapping again.

A few drinks + being off his medication

Or a few drinks and being on his medication..

It's the residual Lobelia.

He's already admitted he's a heavy user of alcohol. And regular ganja. We've all seen how incoherent some alcoholic posters here can get.
ENT is special ....he's incoherent in a different way. Lower brain functions : intact. Higher brain functions : morphed.

Yeah I'm wondering why the projected wing pattern is not even close to the actual scares on the building, which constitute the actual impact zone, ironically right where the "clean cut" aluminum fascia beams are. Very believable........ NOT! Only for completely gullible fools, anyone here like that I wonder?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

He didn't have to be competent. Just able to fly for a while, in a general direction, then steer into a crash.

I suppose by your reasoning that to "just steer into a crash" as you say, especially into the Pentagon, at 500mph (allegedly), keeping it clear of the ground is just simples eh?

At the alleged speeds those planes flew at, 500mph or thereabouts, steering them as they shook and rattled would be a wee bit beyond most pilots' skills, let alone some ragheads with ZERO flight hours in a Boeing airliner.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

It's the residual Lobelia.

He's already admitted he's a heavy user of alcohol. And regular ganja. We've all seen how incoherent some alcoholic posters here can get.

I dunno which sewer you drag up your info from, but your fantasis about me are getting wilder and weirder by the day, my little schizoid Ocker.

Now why don't you just admit you've got a rod for me and be done with it, eh, pussycat?

It'd take a lot of stress off ya.

Originally Posted by koman

ENT....it's been stated over and over.....there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks. The real pilots got the planes off the ground and airborne. The hijackers had previously taken several trips, apparently to become familiar with the routines, and perhaps to get some sense of the airspace around the NYC area.

CONSIDERABLE TRAINING' AND 'IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE' NEEDED TO FLY 757 AND 767 AIRCRAFT
Two of the aircraft targeted in the 9/11 attacks were Boeing 757s and the other two were Boeing 767s. Experts have commented how difficult it would have been for amateur pilots, like the alleged hijackers, to fly such aircraft.

Aviation experts told the Chicago Tribune, "Unlike a small private plane where pilots generally fly visually, a commercial plane like those hijacked [on September 11] requires a vast command of navigation techniques as well as in-depth knowledge of their myriad systems, from hydraulics to the autopilot." [7] Michael Barr, the director of aviation safety programs at the University of Southern California, and several commercial airline pilots told the Boston Globe that "they assumed that the terrorists were skilled pilots who had to have received some training in flying transport jets, particularly the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft." [8]

Steven Wallach, an aviation consultant and former airline captain, said that if the hijackers "took the controls at high altitude and a long distance from their targets"--as allegedly happened--"then they likely had considerable training in a 767 or 757."

Wallach said the hijackers "would have had to descend and navigate to Washington and New York. They would have had to know how to operate the autopilot, as well as other intricate functions." Boeing 767s and 757s have highly sophisticated "glass cockpits" that include video screens and digital readouts, which require the pilots to have an advanced level of computer skills. "To navigate with that glass cockpit, it can be pretty tricky," Wallach said.

The 9/11 Hijackers: Amateur Aviators Who Became Super-Pilots on September 11 | 911Blogger.com


But those ragheads fingered by the FBI et al were incompetent and at best poor pilots, acording to their instructors, barely able to fly a Cessna, notwithstanding receiving their pilot's licinces from at least one questionable flying school in Florida.

Go tell your story to your mates, or the birds koman.

Originally Posted by ENT

I dunno which sewer you drag up your info from

Posted by you on this very forum, actually. Who are you trying to kid ???

Trying to practise "plausible deniability" ? Your denials are not very plausible

Turkey.

Another lengthy ENT offering gleaned from some blogger cherry picking through countless offhand remarks made by all kinds of "experts" and all kinds of "sources"

ENT then continues to plead that the Hamburg cell operators were "barely capable of flying a Cessna" when in fact they had taken a full pilots training course and been issued licenses. They do not issue FAA licenses to people who can "barely" fly a Cessna. All of the basics of aviation, navigation and air traffic control procedures would have been learned on these courses. They had no intention of flying around in Cessnas however....

After that they spent considerable time training in exactly the same kind of simulators that the professional airline pilots train on, stating that they wished to become commercial pilots as the reasons for their simulator time.

These guys were engineering graduates so they were pretty smart and very capable of absorbing the technical aspects of their training, including the operation of navigation, communications, and other equipment on board a commercial airliner.

These few lines from ENT's blog:

Barr added that the piloting skills apparently exhibited by the hijackers indicated that "months and months of planning and training were involved." He concluded, "Unfortunately, these guys were good." [13]

That is exactly what they had. About two years of planning, followed by several months of flight training and preparation.....just to take the controls of a plane, line it up, .... and crash it!

Many of the expert comments cited in the blog were no doubt made before the detailed backgrounds of the hijackers were revealed, and collectively just say that amateurs could not have done this...they had to have had training....which they did!

The comment about these guys being good (underlined) is quite true. They were of well above average intelligence, very well educated, technically competent, and most of all totally dedicated to the mission. A rare combination I would say, but they were chosen and prepared for the mission precisely because of these attributes.

A great deal of what these characters managed to do was well outside of the ordinary. Many people seem unwilling to grasp the fact that extraordinary things are sometimes accomplished by those who are unafraid of consequences, motivated enough, and in this case, willing to die for the cause.

Any update on the Plutonium bombs and morphing planes yet....?.... Don't be letting that Barracuda guy steal your thunder now.....

Oops....ENT caught out AGAIN

But I'm sure he'll come up with some kind of fatuous rationalization.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Cockpit doors routinely opened about 12-15 mins after clearing the runway......not crystal ball stuff ENT....just observation by someone who was keenly interested in such things... very useful information for anyone planning to hijack a plane you know...

Rubbish.

Quote your sources,...if any.

Who needs a source for that?

I used to visit mates up the front all the time on intra-gulf flights.

SOP until 9/11 frankly.

It was indeed quite routine prior to 9/11, before all the "enhanced security" stuff was implemented. You have to wonder if ENT has ever been on a plane.....

Regarding Flt AA77 on 9/11/2001

"...according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?

NTSB data: Flight deck door remained closed on AA77: hijacking "impossible" | 911Blogger.com

Do you honestly believe ALL of this utter fucking rubbish you find on these looney websites?

The bloke who wrote that shit conveniently neglected to mention that not once in 11 recorded flights and 41 hours of flying did that aircraft record the cockpit door opening. Even on the report he cited, it reported "Not working or Not confirmed", but he didn't mention that so that gullible fucking morons like you would believe his bullshit.

Because there was no fucking door sensor on 1991 models.

You really are just a desperate dipshit sometimes.

The Cockpit Door - 911myths