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    Probably, ....4 ft ABOVE the ground......NO Less!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    if a missile flew hundreds of miles into the Pentagon it would need to be a pretty good shot
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    What if all it was doing was flying directly towards a homing beacon?

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    No plane hit the pentagon - here - look at the picture - look like a plane hit it?

    Where are the wings?
    Where are the 5 tonne holes made by the rolls royce engines either side?




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    and Shanksville?

    Nope,.. no plane crashed there either


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    ^ No but a plane would burn into ash within about 2 seconds if it had a little bit of fuel in it because they are made of wood and paper. Hardly surprising that when the huge plane, which was not seen by any of the thousands of cameras around the pentagon, crash into the pentagon that nothing aside from a few bits and bobs and an engine from a drone were found.

    Oh hand on, that's a old style japanese house that is made of wood and paper, not a big fricking plane. Silly me.

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    Makes no difference what you think, or believe either way, anyone with an open mind can see the truth has not been told.

    People died, money was made and questions go unanswered, why.

    Open government at work, think not.

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    Same old, same old.

    There are pictures above in this thread that answer your questions.

    But you choose to ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    People died, money was made and questions go unanswered, why.
    Beacause regular people's lives mean less to the cvnts than the chewing gum on the sole of their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    that's right harry, keep dreaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Probably, ....4 ft ABOVE the ground......NO Less!!
    I would guess it's possible to miss or ignore a missile at 500' or even treetop level, but 4' is probably going to spook a few people before it takes out a car or building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Makes no difference what you think, or believe either way, anyone with an open mind can see the truth has not been told.

    People died, money was made and questions go unanswered, why.

    Open government at work, think not.
    100% agree, we have been fed lies in small and large doses, lots of people made lots of money out of 911, many reasonable questions have been left unanswered to this day, and people in positions of authority clearly conspired to circumvent procedures, laws and diktats in the immediate aftermath.

    But it still doesn't amount to an inside job. Common sense says that if it were an inside job the executors would have covered a few more bases, instead of being caught so obviously wrong footed.

    But I guess one could argue that was the master stroke of this cunning plan, to be seen to be caught wrong footed.

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    The bigger the scenario and the greater the number of actors and locations, the higher the risk of a fwkup.

    Which is why the truth is dribbling and leaking out in dribs and drabs ever since 9/11.

    No planes were hijacked that day and no-one made any phone calls from them. Proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    No planes were hijacked that day
    You are certifiable dude

    Good entertainment though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    You see, two Pentagon wall clocks stopped at around 9.32 am that day, but the purported "airliner crash" didn't happen until 9.38 (Pentagon stated, Wikipedia gives 9.37 am), 9.40 am, and 9.43 am, from other media, reportedly.

    It turned out that all Palisades could do was to give a time of an electrical disturbance that occurred at the Pentagon at about 9.36 am., then, three minutes of continuous data shown starting at 09:36:30 EDT (13:36:30 UTC) 9.36 am.
    Dear oh dear ! 9.32 till 9.43 ! Fully ELEVEN minutes discrepancy ! What is the world coming to ??
    When +/- 5 seconds is given as Palisades' calculations margin of error, 11 minutes discrepancy is way off!!

    9.32 am,.................. Pentagon wall clocks and staff watches stop
    9.36:30 - 9.39.30 am,.. Three minutes of electrical disturbance recorded
    9.37 am,................... Reported time of crash by Wikipedia
    9.38 am,................... Pentagon reports crash.
    9.38.52 am,................Palisades measures strong signals indicating an electrical disturbance at the Pentagon,


    "These waveform data indicate that we could not identify seismic signals associated with the plane impact into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001."
    http://www.dnr.state.md.us/irc/docs/00013655.pdf

    Pentagon asked Palisades to pinpoint and verify the exact time of the alleged crash because apparently no-one at Pentagon could agree on the timing of the event, either they were totally gaga after the first of a series of explosions inside the Pentagon starting at 9.32 am

    Even better,... Palisades couldn't explain why the wall clocks stopped at around 9.32 am, their seismographs didn't pick up any relevant signals at that time, neither can the Pentagon explain why their clocks and watches stopped at that time.

    The Pentagon was first attacked shortly after .:30 a.m. – almost 8 minutes before the official ‘impact’ time of 9.37.46, when the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) says a plane hit the building from the outside.

    Both DoD and mainstream media initially reported the time of the alleged Flight 77 impact similarly, as “about 9.30”, but government censors quickly began moving the alleged outside strike time later and later.

    Some early reports of the alleged impact time quoting official sources were as late as 10:00.

    The time given by Pentagon officials for the claimed outside impact on the building finally “settled” at 9.3.:47, or almost 9.38.

    Multiple standard-issue battery- and electric-operated wall clocks in the heliport just outside the west wall and in the inside areas of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11 were stopped between 9:30 and 9.32.

    As a result of the first violent event The Navy, itself part of ‘the Pentagon’, posted a photo of a Pentagon wall clock stopped at 9.31.40 on one of its official websites; and the Pentagon wall clock chosen for the national 9/11 exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution was stopped at 9.31.30.2 These are just some of the west-section Pentagon clocks that were stopped shortly after 9.30 on Sept. 11, 2001.

    In addition, April Gallop’s wrist watch was stopped “just after 9:30.
    THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS

    In other words, even though Pentagon claimed a 9.38 am attack time, (six minutes after the electric/battery operated clocks and watches stopped) employees there claimed that the first of a series of explosions started at about 9:30 am, in sync. with the stopped clocks and contradicting yet another one of Rumsfeld's deliberate pieces of mis-information, that an airliner with panic stricken passengers cell-phoning their loved ones had just crashed into the Pentagon.

    Needless to say, the Pentagon said nothing to deny Palisades' findings, that there was an ongoing (3 minutes) electrical disturbance recorded, starting at 9.36.30 am and on until 9.39.30 am, and no evidence of a plane crash at all.
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    Ahh getting bored of all these conspiracy nutjobs now. How can anyone in their right mind believe that in each of the western countries there is a group of truly democratically elected politicians, who represent the people that live in their individual areas, who try to do what is best for these people, and the country of these people. They insist on believing that there is a great conspiracy by these people to try and do what is right for the people of their country and the world, and that war, regime change and murder are logical and humanitarian methods to go about it. They seem to believe that torture, assassinations by stealth / drones are the right way to appease different beliefs. They seem to believe that there is no link between legal corruption (lobbying) and the actions of these people. They refuse to see the link between fortune 500 firms P+L and the actions of their countries.

    Absolutely crazy. These people that believe this are certifiable

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The bigger the scenario and the greater the number of actors and locations, the higher the risk of a fwkup.

    Which is why the truth is dribbling and leaking out in dribs and drabs ever since 9/11.

    No planes were hijacked that day and no-one made any phone calls from them. Proven.
    Far from proven.

    Let's take this slowly, after more than 4000 posts on this thread and several other threads on the same topic. Are you saying the Bush admin conceived, planned, designed and executed the events of 911? Or, was it someone else within his admin but with his clear knowledge and consent, or even a renegade black ops group that he knew nothing about?

    Either way, such an operation would take a while to put together, and that's assuming someone in a position of high authority would have reason to and actually did conceive of such an audacious plot for the USA to declare war against itself. But let's entertain that, to give you more rope.

    After concept comes presentation, several meetings and brainstorms resulting in, final acceptance, tweaking, and then recruitment followed by all manner of acquisition and use of untold unaccountable resources. If you've ever been involved in something common, rather than unprecedented, like a government building a road, you might have a clue what this entails.

    Bush was sworn in late Jan 2001, less than 8 months before 911.

    In your opinion, how long would it take to put together such an operation, granted the immense resources of the USA, to include missile use, detonation of buildings and other complex factors that we as lay people would know nothing about?

    What about plan B, C and on to ZZZ, would these exist, or was it a gung ho do or die operation that simply couldn't go wrong? Would those contingency plans be developed overnight, or might they also involve many people at high levels buried in deep thought?

    In your opinion, how many highly qualified, fully trusted people with the highest security clearance and uncompromising devotion, would be required from concept through execution, and on to the really complex matters involving a cover up the likes of which the world hasn't even come close to witnessing? And how many of these would willingly go through with killing Americans on home soil, and then not breathe a word to anyone outside of the loop?

    And let's not forget that such a celebrated group would probably consider the fallout from unanswered questions, and unofficial investigations over which the admin would have neither influence nor control.

    And then we could move on to dozens of different areas all at once, which we might well do if you come up with plausible answers to the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    And how many of these would willingly go through with killing Americans on home soil, and then not breathe a word to anyone outside of the loop?
    Every single one of them kills Americans happily for his career and wealth. You could have applied your essay for the case of Iraq also. Thousands of people knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, yet they continued to lie and produce false evidence. With the coalition of the willing, this particular conspiracy grew way beyond what was required for 9/11, it became a global net of lies dozends of countries participated in.
    Boon Mee: 'Israel is the 51st State. De facto - but none the less, essentially part & parcel of the USA.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The bigger the scenario and the greater the number of actors and locations, the higher the risk of a fwkup.

    Which is why the truth is dribbling and leaking out in dribs and drabs ever since 9/11.

    No planes were hijacked that day and no-one made any phone calls from them. Proven.
    Far from proven.

    Let's take this slowly, after more than 4000 posts on this thread and several other threads on the same topic. Are you saying the Bush admin conceived, planned, designed and executed the events of 911? Or, was it someone else within his admin but with his clear knowledge and consent, or even a renegade black ops group that he knew nothing about?

    Either way, such an operation would take a while to put together, and that's assuming someone in a position of high authority would have reason to and actually did conceive of such an audacious plot for the USA to declare war against itself. But let's entertain that, to give you more rope.

    After concept comes presentation, several meetings and brainstorms resulting in, final acceptance, tweaking, and then recruitment followed by all manner of acquisition and use of untold unaccountable resources. If you've ever been involved in something common, rather than unprecedented, like a government building a road, you might have a clue what this entails.

    Bush was sworn in late Jan 2001, less than 8 months before 911.

    In your opinion, how long would it take to put together such an operation, granted the immense resources of the USA, to include missile use, detonation of buildings and other complex factors that we as lay people would know nothing about?

    What about plan B, C and on to ZZZ, would these exist, or was it a gung ho do or die operation that simply couldn't go wrong? Would those contingency plans be developed overnight, or might they also involve many people at high levels buried in deep thought?

    In your opinion, how many highly qualified, fully trusted people with the highest security clearance and uncompromising devotion, would be required from concept through execution, and on to the really complex matters involving a cover up the likes of which the world hasn't even come close to witnessing? And how many of these would willingly go through with killing Americans on home soil, and then not breathe a word to anyone outside of the loop?

    And let's not forget that such a celebrated group would probably consider the fallout from unanswered questions, and unofficial investigations over which the admin would have neither influence nor control.

    And then we could move on to dozens of different areas all at once, which we might well do if you come up with plausible answers to the above.


    I am of the opinion that every single President is pre picked and is elected for his willingness to tow the line. those that slip through this procedure rarely last very long. Presidents of the USA are nothing more than glove puppets and it matters little whether they are Republicans or democrats at the end of the day ans very little changes regardless.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Thanks for the Red ENT

    You just keep regurgitating the same old debunked conspiracy theories over and over again.

    Only a right loon would ignore the overwhelming evidence that shows a plane hit the Pentagon on 911.

    There are pages and pages of eye witness accounts; I'll just start with a few:

    Steve Anderson:Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
    Deb Anlauf:
    Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on. "Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."
    Arlington police transmission:
    Motor 11: There is visible smoke coming from that area...high, visible smoke.
    Dispatcher: Motor 11 direct.
    Motor 14: Motor 14, it was an American Airlines plane, uh, headed eastbound over the Pike (Columbia Pike highway), possibly toward the Pentagon.
    Dispatcher: 10-4. Cruiser 50 direct.

    They must be in on the grand conspiracy is that it? Or their mass hallucination is the result of fluoride in the water?

    You are full of fail ENT. C'mon buddy, try again! This is fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    And how many of these would willingly go through with killing Americans on home soil, and then not breathe a word to anyone outside of the loop?
    Every single one of them kills Americans happily for his career and wealth. You could have applied your essay for the case of Iraq also. Thousands of people knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, yet they continued to lie and produce false evidence. With the coalition of the willing, this particular conspiracy grew way beyond what was required for 9/11, it became a global net of lies dozends of countries participated in.
    quite right,

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    No plane hit the Pentagon ENT? Pull your head out of your arse buddy.

    Do you think that the entire Arlington Fire and Rescue and the Washington Post are also part of the "grand conspiracy"?

    They were there when the American Airlines Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9-11:

    The firehouse at the Pentagon heliport is the quietest in Arlington County, Virginia. The little station, located just off the landing pad on the west side of Defense Department headquarters, is typically staffed by a small crew of civilian firefighters from the U.S. Army's Fort Myer Fire Department.

    At 9:39 a.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, the crew of Foam Tender 161 was at ``Ground Zero,’’ on the banks of the Potomac River, across from Washington, D.C.

    Loss of Foam Tender 161

    Fort Myer firefighter Alan Wallace, a veteran federal firefighter, was tending to the foam rig on the Pentagon fire station ramp, when he heard the Boeing 757’s screaming engines – and looked to the sky. American Airlines Fight 77 to Los Angeles, with 64 souls aboard, had been hijacked from Washington-Dulles International Airport. ``Runnnnn!’’ Wallace yelled to a buddy, firefighter Mark Skipper.

    The plane was 200 yards away - and 25 feet off the ground.

    ``There was no time to look back, barely time to scramble’’ for Wallace and the others, The Washington Post said. ``He made it about 30 feet, heard a terrible roar, felt the heat, and dove underneath a van, skinning his stomach as he slid across the blacktop, sailing across it as though he were riding a luge.

    ``A few seconds later he was sliding back out to check on his friend and then race back to the fire truck,’’ the Post said. ``He jumped in threw it into gear, but the accelerator was dead. The entire back of the truck was destroyed, the cab on fire. He grabbed the radio handset and called the main station at Fort Myer to report the unimaginable.’’

    It was a firestorm – a war zone. Our Pearl Harbor – ``The Big One.’

    ^ All just fiction, right ENT? What a buffoon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBKK
    "Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning
    a plane or a missile? she probably couldn't tell the difference

    could have been an alien spaceship and she would still take it as a plane,

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    Hi ENT,

    You still smoking that crack cocaine EH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBKK
    "Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning
    a plane or a missile? she probably couldn't tell the difference

    could have been an alien spaceship and she would still take it as a plane,
    We could form our own opinions better if the investigators hadn't gone around and confiscated all videos and pics from CCTV and private cameras. Since then, they're all lost.

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