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    You know? Something else is very prominent in that video and jumps out at me now, the plane was flying in the dark shadow of the smoke from the first tower which would explain the reason so many thought/think it was black and not a commercial jet..

    Nice catch Rain, also in several videos you can hear that the engines are on full throttle up and those engines are plenty capable of those speeds at full throttle. Your other points are also valid and spot on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    Really, you are living in fantasy land. I didn't in any way insult your wife whatsoever, not once, ever.
    LIAR

    This is how you twist things around. You did not insult her directly, but you made disgusting and insinuating comments REGARDING my wife.

    You want me to PM you the PMs between the owner of this forum and myself, just before you were jailed ? But then, you know perfectly well the kind of thing you said, don't you ?


    Dilbert, to get a small sample of the kind of creature ENT is, read post 155 here :https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ressing-7.html (Why do English 'men' like dressing up like women.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post
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    When was that Flo? I give references continually in my posts.

    I take it then that you can't back up your claims. Thought so.
    Absolute nonsense, you post references YOU want to post, not anything relative or credible to the questions posed you..
    I have the sources but since you'll just dismiss them anyway there's no point in my wasting my time searching and posting them..
    I've already asked you point out when I refused, but there's still no reply from you to that question, so, if you tell me the instances in question I might be able to help you young fella.

    And, I'll post references to whatever I please, not simply at your whim.

    But of course, you won't and can't post the ref. to that doco you were banging on about earlier, so I doubt that you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    And, I'll post references to whatever I please, not simply at your whim.
    Yes, this says it all really.... So that ends any debate as it's your rules or no rules..No debating like that.. I'm still waiting for you to post references to questions posed you pages ago..

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    Double post deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    Really, you are living in fantasy land. I didn't in any way insult your wife whatsoever, not once, ever.
    LIAR

    This is how you twist things around. You did not insult her directly, but you made disgusting and insinuating comments REGARDING my wife.

    You want me to PM you the PMs between the owner of this forum and myself, just before you were jailed ? But then, you know perfectly well the kind of thing you said, don't you ?
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    Oooohhh!!!!!

    Temper temper, possum!

    I have never made disgusting and insinuating comments regarding your wife, ever.

    Now take a deep breath and calm down before you have a fit, there's a good chap.

    As regards your offer to PM me the PMs, please do, (if it's permissible). I'm aware that you run squealing to the mods snitching and moaning frequently, but I'd be interested in reading the lies you told DD, (RIP) they'd make interesting reading!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post
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    And, I'll post references to whatever I please, not simply at your whim.
    Yes, this says it all really.... So that ends any debate as it's your rules or no rules..No debating like that.. I'm still waiting for you to post references to questions posed you pages ago..
    Tut tut young chappy, no tantrums and flouncing off now!

    Only wanabe prima donnas do that!

    Now, be a good fella and post that ref to the doco you were on about, and if you're specific, I'll give whatever reference that I can find to whatever statement I've made that's bothering you.

    OK?

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    Where do you get flouncing out of not responding to your childish rubbish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Don't worry mate, there's a few of those Sepos and wannabe sepo brown nosers trying to score medals from unca Sam for defending the honour (what's left of it) of the good ol' usa.

    Glad you noticed that they habitually indulge in name calling, whenever they get caught out or lose an argument or quite simply, whenever they can't think of what to say!!
    Onya Ent, A common trait with denialists.

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    Dilbert.
    Here's another one. So sorry that your arguments are so weak you have to resort to this type of posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    Have you just come over from T/V? You seem a little sensitive for the reality of a more open forum.
    Transvestite or Television? Anyway, no, I just read the rules of the forum and try to stick to them, that's all. Resorting to personal attacks is just a bit dull that's all, and there's no point discussing things with people who basically have a tantrum and start chucking out insults. Not you though by the way - no issue with your style at all. Maybe I will just find a way to but an ignore or what ever on that tony person; he seems very aggressive and quite rude.

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    So anyway, now that I have found the block function to block that tony thing, here's a question then.

    The nice picture he posted saying that they were the terrorists. It was generally agreed, in that most of them are still alive, that their identities were stolen. So, as I asked earlier, who was it then? Who were they? Why is no one trying to find out? If you use a stolen identity to buy a washing machine, they will try their best to find out who you really are. However, hijack a load of planes, fly them into buildings, and they can not be arsed to find out who really did it?

    So come on, denialists, who were the actual hijackers, and what efforts are being made to find them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
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    Even if you say it was not going at 550 mph, it was still accelerated into the building.
    500mph? Is that your estimate? That's 804.672 k/h!!! Wow!!!

    At sea level?
    They can do 500mph at sea level, but don't do it because there are regulations, and landing speeds are much lower. That's 225 m/s, and having watched the 2nd impact many times, that was about the speed the planed zipped with trough the picture. Here is a video with a running clock, and it takes less than 3 seconds from the moment the plane appears at the left until the impact. The space it crosses is apparently larger than the WTC was tall, 417 metres, and it's foreshortened by a slight angle. Please watch it yourself.
    Thanks for the video, I have watched a version of it previously and understand what you're getting at, but....
    Using photo-shopped videos that were published by the media of the day is not going to prove anything.

    There were no airliners hijacked by any Arabs on 9/11/2001.


    Airliners can not maintain stable controlled flight at a speed of 500 mph ASL or near that, the air is far too dense, three times more dense than at 30,000 ft where they can maintain such a speed, as designed, but not at lower altitudes close to sea level.

    Here's testimony to that effect, and an explanation why the plane in question simply did not exist.

    JOHN LEAR, of full age, being duly sworn, deposes and says:



    1. I am 65 years of age, a retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with over 19,000 hours of flight time, over 11,000 of which are in command of 3 or 4 engine jet transports, have flown over 100 different types of aircraft in 60 different countries around the world. I retired in 2001 after 40 years of flying.

    2. I am the son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, and hold more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certificated airman. These include the Airline Transport Pilot certificate with 23 type ratings, Flight Instructor, Flight Engineer, Flight Navigator, Ground Instructor, Aircraft Dispatcher, Control Tower Operator and Parachute Rigger.

    3. I flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983.

    4. During the last 17 years of my career I worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor. I was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman. I have extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.

    5. I checked out as Captain on a Boeing 707 in 1973 and Captain on the Lockheed L-1011 in 1985.

    6. I hold 17 world records including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966 and was presented the PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controller's Association) award for Outstanding Airmanship in 1968. I am a Senior Vice-Commander of the China Post 1, the American

    8. No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors. Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted for the following reasons:

    A. In the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun 'telescoping' when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center. The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

    B. The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building. One alleged engine part was found on Murray Street but there should be three other engine cores weighing over 9000 pounds each. Normal operating temperatures for these engines are 650°C so they could not possibly have burned up. This is a photo of a similar sized engine from a McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 which impacted the ocean at a high rate of speed. You can see that the engine remains generally intact.(photo, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...rld/main546355. shtml)

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    C. When and if the nose of an airplane came in contact with the buildings 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns and then, 37 feet beyond, the steel box columns of the building core the momentum of the wings would have slowed drastically depriving them of the energy to penetrate the exterior steel box columns. The spars of the wing, which extend outward, could not possibly have penetrated the 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns placed 39 inches on center and would have crashed to the ground.



    "...the energy of the mass of the Boeing 767 at a speed of 540 mph fails because:

    a. No Boeing 767 could attain that speed at 1000 feet above sea level because of parasite drag which doubles with velocity and parasite power which cubes with velocity.

    b. The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed.
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    There's more, and I won't post it all in one lump, the immediately pertinent points are made above.

    The above paragraphs are excerpted from the below referenced extensive document. Please read;

    9/11 Airplane Affidavit By John Lear, Son Of Learjet Inventor | 9/11 and Ground Zero

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post
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    Giltard, you are going from dumb to dumber.
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    Dear me - best I stay out of this section actually. I did not quite know that is was the home of people who only resort to insults and try to invoke slanging matches. Poor show.
    Have you just come over from T/V? You seem a little sensitive for the reality of a more open forum..
    You can't talk Florry,

    You've even threatened not to continue with the discussion because you don't know which reference you want off me.

    Now that's called a flounce, by anyone's measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
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    Even if you say it was not going at 550 mph, it was still accelerated into the building.
    500mph? Is that your estimate? That's 804.672 k/h!!! Wow!!!

    At sea level?
    They can do 500mph at sea level, but don't do it because there are regulations, and landing speeds are much lower. That's 225 m/s, and having watched the 2nd impact many times, that was about the speed the planed zipped with trough the picture. Here is a video with a running clock, and it takes less than 3 seconds from the moment the plane appears at the left until the impact. The space it crosses is apparently larger than the WTC was tall, 417 metres, and it's foreshortened by a slight angle. Please watch it yourself.
    Thanks for the video, I have watched a version of it previously and understand what you're getting at, but....
    Using photo-shopped videos that were published by the media of the day is not going to prove anything.

    There were no airliners hijacked by any Arabs on 9/11/2001.


    Airliners can not maintain stable controlled flight at a speed of 500 mph ASL or near that, the air is far too dense, three times more dense than at 30,000 ft where they can maintain such a speed, as designed, but not at lower altitudes close to sea level.

    Here's testimony to that effect, and an explanation why the plane in question simply did not exist.

    JOHN LEAR, of full age, being duly sworn, deposes and says:



    1. I am 65 years of age, a retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with over 19,000 hours of flight time, over 11,000 of which are in command of 3 or 4 engine jet transports, have flown over 100 different types of aircraft in 60 different countries around the world. I retired in 2001 after 40 years of flying.

    2. I am the son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, and hold more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certificated airman. These include the Airline Transport Pilot certificate with 23 type ratings, Flight Instructor, Flight Engineer, Flight Navigator, Ground Instructor, Aircraft Dispatcher, Control Tower Operator and Parachute Rigger.

    3. I flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983.

    4. During the last 17 years of my career I worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor. I was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman. I have extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.

    5. I checked out as Captain on a Boeing 707 in 1973 and Captain on the Lockheed L-1011 in 1985.

    6. I hold 17 world records including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966 and was presented the PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controller's Association) award for Outstanding Airmanship in 1968. I am a Senior Vice-Commander of the China Post 1, the American

    8. No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors. Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted for the following reasons:

    A. In the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun 'telescoping' when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center. The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

    B. The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building. One alleged engine part was found on Murray Street but there should be three other engine cores weighing over 9000 pounds each. Normal operating temperatures for these engines are 650°C so they could not possibly have burned up. This is a photo of a similar sized engine from a McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 which impacted the ocean at a high rate of speed. You can see that the engine remains generally intact.(photo, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...rld/main546355. shtml)

    3

    C. When and if the nose of an airplane came in contact with the buildings 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns and then, 37 feet beyond, the steel box columns of the building core the momentum of the wings would have slowed drastically depriving them of the energy to penetrate the exterior steel box columns. The spars of the wing, which extend outward, could not possibly have penetrated the 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns placed 39 inches on center and would have crashed to the ground.



    "...the energy of the mass of the Boeing 767 at a speed of 540 mph fails because:

    a. No Boeing 767 could attain that speed at 1000 feet above sea level because of parasite drag which doubles with velocity and parasite power which cubes with velocity.

    b. The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed.
    <hr>

    There's more, and I won't post it all in one lump, the immediately pertinent points are made above.

    The above paragraphs are excerpted from the below referenced extensive document. Please read;

    9/11 Airplane Affidavit By John Lear, Son Of Learjet Inventor | 9/11 and Ground Zero
    What a load of old bollocks.


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    You really are full of crap, ENT. And your occasional sissy language makes people here want to puke.
    You wind up people and when they get irritated or even angry at you, then get all self-righteous try to take the moral high ground, referring to them by pseudo-sweet names.....in other words trying to wind them up further.

    You're incapable of logical, analytical thought, and you have displayed this on many other threads.
    Notwithstanding that, you are an utter LIAR about making disgusting insinuations regarding my wife. It was very satisfying to see you last year jailed and muzzled like the dog you are. THREE times in the one year

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    ^^ Harrybarracuda the wanabe aircraft engineer strikes again!

    Out for a little troll this evening chappy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    You really are full of crap, ENT. And your occasional sissy language makes people here want to puke.
    You wind up people and when they get irritated or even angry at you, then get all self-righteous try to take the moral high ground, referring to them by pseudo-sweet names.....in other words trying to wind them up further.

    You're incapable of logical, analytical thought, and you have displayed this on many other threads.
    Notwithstanding that, you are an utter LIAR about making disgusting insinuations regarding my wife. It was very satisfying to see you last year jailed and muzzled like the dog you are. THREE times in the one year
    You getting all sweaty again possum?

    Are you getting all wound up? Never mind snookums, just relax, take a Bex, a cup of tea and a good lie down.

    You really do go on about your wife and mental problems a lot don't you?

    Now how about those PMs between you and "the site owner" you offered to send me?

    Now, what speed do you think that airliner of yours was going at?

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    You really are a creep, ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    You really are a creep, ENT.
    Still no PMs as you offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilbert View Post
    The nice picture he posted saying that they were the terrorists. It was generally agreed, in that most of them are still alive, that their identities were stolen. So, as I asked earlier, who was it then? Who were they? Why is no one trying to find out? If you use a stolen identity to buy a washing machine, they will try their best to find out who you really are. However, hijack a load of planes, fly them into buildings, and they can not be arsed to find out who really did it?

    So come on, denialists, who were the actual hijackers, and what efforts are being made to find them ?
    They won't and can't tell you mate, they're in denial and have no grasp of reality.

    And as in the post above this one, LD comes in again with his particularly nasty psychopathic brand of character assassination, the "let's all gang up on "X" " type stuff, initiated by a jibe for no other reason than to disrupt.

    Back on topic though, yes. it was good of BkkTony to post such good pictures of the fabled "19=Arabs-with-box-cutters" troupe that's been making the rounds.


    We can pick out the ones alleged to have been on each plane clearly now, and continue researching the backgrounds of the remainder until all have been eliminated from enquiries concerning their real identities, present status and so on.

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    Then you can email the government in the USA and tell them that you have solved the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Then you can email the government in the USA and tell them that you have solved the whole thing.
    And then you can have a good cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    They won't and can't tell you mate, they're in denial and have no grasp of reality.

    And as in the post above this one, LD comes in again with his particularly nasty psychopathic brand of character assassination, the "let's all gang up on "X" " type stuff, initiated by a jibe for no other reason than to disrupt.
    Funny how the one forum member who has the most tenuous grasp on reality projects his mental crap on others.

    You are sociopathic in real life, aren't you, ENT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    They won't and can't tell you mate, they're in denial and have no grasp of reality.

    And as in the post above this one, LD comes in again with his particularly nasty psychopathic brand of character assassination, the "let's all gang up on "X" " type stuff, initiated by a jibe for no other reason than to disrupt.
    Funny how the one forum member who has the most tenuous grasp on reality projects his mental crap on others.
    It is innit?

    Who's your next victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post

    Absolute nonsense, you post references YOU want to post, not anything relative or credible to the questions posed you..

    This has been ENTS crutch from the get go. I will say ENT is brilliant at cut and paste quotes, an expert really.

    The thing is for every cut and paste there is an opposing view on the Net that dismisses the conspirators view but of course he never cuts that.

    Anyway ENT, I will give you full points for you're research on Firefighter fatalities, that was really interesting and informative. I imagine that was calculated on American Firefighters and not world wide ? I don't know, you can tell me though.

    I was referring to my own States Brigade and what has been the most Dangerous and damaging to Firefighters for us and that is Building collapse.

    Every Fire Fighting agency in Every country will have different statistics when it comes to fatalities and injuries to there personal.

    Regards you dismissing the Pan cake effect. When the Towers fell that was the pan cake effect you fuking numpty.

    The world witnessed it but you didn't see it because you reckon it was a hologram. ???

    Fuking nutter ENT. Also you reckon the The towers could not be considered a Firestorm ??

    Fuk me ENT, what was it then ?? A grass fire.

    Silly fuker ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post

    And, I'll post references to whatever I please.

    Of course you will ENT, simply because you pick the eyes out of the wankers that post there silly fuking references on the net that they have thought up whilst high on crack cocaine.

    Nothing in you're post are original thoughts, they are all referenced from the Net and rehashed over and over and over again.

    Every one of you're cut and paste's have been explained away a thousand times and been dismissed as a nutters paradise.

    Oh yes ENT. Tell us again where all those people that where killed on those planes are hiding out again ???

    Pandora EH. Good movie that one.

    Foking mad as a wheel you are ENT but top entertainment.

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