Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

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Then why not fess up? Say what they know ISN'T true? Your reply makes no sense - and not many "truthers" suggest the "government" is to blame - quite opposite - they suggest the people and powers who CONTROL the government are behind this. An important distinction.

Several explosions at the Pentagon.







Another witness to explosions.





Another , three explosions within an hour at the Pentagon 9/11/2001.

The mystery plane tracked over Washington.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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Then why not fess up? Say what they know ISN'T true? Your reply makes no sense - and not many "truthers" suggest the "government" is to blame - quite opposite - they suggest the people and powers who CONTROL the government are behind this. An important distinction.

An inside job could be the gov or as you say those behind it, but no persuasive case has been made that either was involved in concocting the deed.

The "important distinction" you refer to is one the 'truthers' consistently miss, that lies and incompetence don't add up to culpability.

There's no persuasive case to prove that Osama Bin Laden and "19-Arabs-with-box-cutters" blew up the Pentagon and the WTC buildings or anything at all on 9/11.

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Originally Posted by leemo

I doubt it. The conspiracywallahs will say it's photoshopped, as proven by some cloud formation, shadow or scratch on a wing.
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Maybe they would. However, with this type of viewpoint, no evidence would ever be presented for anything just in case someone disputes it.

Originally Posted by leemo

While I believe it's correct, proper and wise to mistrust governments, and while there are many questions and unconvincing or even absurd answers, lying to the people does not make the gov complicit in the actual deed.

Call them outright incompetent or even liars, but the theory of an inside job is far from proven.

The theory that it was not an inside job is even further from being proven.

Originally Posted by ENT

There's no persuasive case to prove that Osama Bin Laden and "19-Arabs-with-box-cutters" blew up the Pentagon and the WTC buildings or anything at all on 9/11.

We could argue that but it's irrelevant.

You are touting an inside job.

Prove it.

Let's watch the conspiracy loons chew on this one

Wow! But no matching ID numbers on aircraft parts found!

FAIL!

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by ENT

There's no persuasive case to prove that Osama Bin Laden and "19-Arabs-with-box-cutters" blew up the Pentagon and the WTC buildings or anything at all on 9/11.

We could argue that but it's irrelevant.

You are touting an inside job.

Prove it.

First up, it was the US gov. that said it was Al Quaeda, O B Laden and 19-Arabs-with-box-cutters did the job.

It is/was up to the US gov to prove that, but they could not.

The finger of suspicion then falls on "others".

There is a slew of major suspects, including the US government, and they chiefly so, especially when their own words are taken into account.

Since the US government has withheld so much information and any obvious proof that a bunch of hapless Arabs (many of whom are still alive) carried out the atrocity, there is obviously bound to be a lack of material evidence available to determine any direct cause or culprit to blame the castastrophe upon.

The US government is complicit in the murders of its own citizens just because of one count alone, the withholding of and destruction of evidence, and by maintaining a "right to silence" as bush et al did when interviewed by the 9/11 Commission of Enquiry, their statements have never been released.

On the other hand, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all put their trotters in their mouths with their explanations after 9/11, by quite simply letting things slip.

OB Laden denied Al Quaeda's or his involvement, immediately Bush blamed him (just after Bush sanctioned the Bin Laden family's flight out of USA).

Several of the hijackers are still alive, none ID'd by DNA.

Cheney declared that the Pentagon was struck by a missile, and a plane was "shot down over Ohio" on 9/11.

Bush said that an airliner simply vapourised when asked where the crash debris was.

No accountable evidence of airliner passenger DNA, only blank statements of casualty numbers and supposed IDs.

Destruction of evidence, as Pentagon body parts dumped into a landfill.

Destruction of evidence at WTC as the whole area was scraped up and dumped, the steel shipped off to China.

No ID'd airline parts to support any "airliner" hijack/crash theories.

Totally conflicting eyewitness accounts of events that day.

Incomplete radar tracking of AA FLt 77 that allegedly flew that day into the Pentagon.

No record of AA Flt 11 having flown that day.

Both UA Flts 93 and 175 recorded as still in operation weeks after 9/11.

No seismic shock due to airliner crash recorded at Pentagon, but recorded at ALL other alleged airliner crash points, at WTC and Ohio.

The above is a list of assertions that the US government made about 9/11 to which there is no proof whatsoever.

Originally Posted by ENT

The above is a list of assertions that the US government made about 9/11 to which there is no proof whatsoever.

You are confused dude. These aren't government assertions, they are the assertions put forth by conspiracy nuts without any facts to back them up. You are so full of fail dude!

You're the confused one.

The US gov has never been able to prove any of its claims as to 9/11.

Originally Posted by ENT

You're the confused one.

The US gov has never been able to prove any of its claims as to 9/11.

Proven time and again with evidence, witnesses and facts. You conspiracy nut jobs on the other hand have only shown us what a tenuous grasp you have on reality

What witnesses? The ones who say that there were bombs in the Pentagon?

The ones who saw an airliner fly OVER the Pentagon?

The ones who saw a SMALL jet fly or missile into the Pentagon?

The ones who admitted dumping Pentagon body parts into a landfill?

The ones who said there was no DNA off the supposed hijackers found?

The ones in the FAA who said that AA Flt 77 disappeared off radar?

The ones in AA who said that Flt 11 DID NOT FLY on 9/11?

The list goes on, pea-brain.

Now carry on drinking your cool-aid, sleepy time is near for you.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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Then why not fess up? Say what they know ISN'T true? Your reply makes no sense - and not many "truthers" suggest the "government" is to blame - quite opposite - they suggest the people and powers who CONTROL the government are behind this. An important distinction.

An inside job could be the gov or as you say those behind it, but no persuasive case has been made that either was involved in concocting the deed.

The "important distinction" you refer to is one the 'truthers' consistently miss, that lies and incompetence don't add up to culpability.

OK, then why not release all those confiscated video tapes?

There is probably a reason, but if I were planning 911 as an 'inside job' with unlimited resources, I would certainly take steps to ensure there weren't any compromising video tapes that might be leaked or otherwise find their way into the public domain.

And I'm just an ornery bloke, not like the experts that plan such things.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Proven time and again with evidence, witnesses and facts. You conspiracy nut jobs on the other hand have only shown us what a tenuous grasp you have on reality

A fairly pathetic response really. In relation to the pentagon, nothing could be further from the truth. In relation to Tower 7 nothing could be further from the truth. In relation to who put together the plan and got the two planes crashing into WTC1 +2, nothing could be further from the truth. It seems to me that the people who have actually read the commission report are those who see that it is full of errors, falsehoods, and blatant lies that do not correspond with the known facts. Those who have not read it, not looked at any of the evidence, not done anything other than read a few rags and got carried away with the sentiment of it all and waived a flag, pretended to wipe a tear away, and then forgotten all about it are those who start throwing personal insults and calling people loons and conspiracy theorists just because they refuse to believe the reports of time and again proven liars... the US government.

You do not have to be a (not picking on you especially, but you make a good example of someone attacking a poster rather than their point of view)

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

conspiracy loons

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

resident imbecile

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

numpty!

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

buffoon

... to refuse to believe the words of proven liars who have the whole media at their disposal that along with it comes an implied respect and element of trustworthiness.

Personally I do not necessarily think the US government planned and launched the attacks. The US government covered up the truth about who did it though because the key players from both sides of the imaginary political spectrum were up to their necks in the corruption though. They deserted their post, yet again, and allowed their own civilians to be attacked and for that they should be held to account.

This may be the case.
However the debate on this thread has unfortunately been sidetracked and dominated by loons, buffoons, and numpties who obsess about whether a missile went into the Pentagon, or that the WTC buildings were demolished by set charges. Which is somewhat beside the point.

It certainly wasn't a bunch of hijacked airliners that crashed that day.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

However the debate on this thread has unfortunately been sidetracked and dominated by loons, buffoons, and numpties who obsess about whether a missile went into the Pentagon, or that the WTC buildings were demolished by set charges. Which is beside the point.

How can a thread about 9/11 being an inside job be derailed by people saying that, yes as declared by over 2000 engineers time and time again, tower 7 was rigged and blown up and that must have been done a few days before, and most of what else you say is true. It is a vital part of the thread even if the flat earth brigade who only believe the official line about everything decide that to question it makes that person a loon, numpty or what ever else.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, calling other posters conspiracy loons, residence imbeciles and buffoons is certainly falls within the definition of name-calling which is supposed to be verboten?

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names. Seems odd, considering they believe themselves to be the normal sane ones (according to them).

Originally Posted by Latindancer

And it seems that 2000 engineers (in a country of 313 million) are deluded....which is not surprising.

Well actually, if you dig a little, they are all architects, structural engineers, demolition experts who are all leaders in their field and all agree that there is no way the building would have collapsed due to the explanation given. It was a controlled demolition. This is of course backed up by the owner saying that he gave the command to pull it down, not knowing that it would take days to rig it to pull it down. The owner that thought he was getting a double pay out on the insurance up until the powers that be decided it would be too obvious if he did.

But heh, this will already be written in this thread a thousand times and I have no desire for you all to start calling me names etc just because your position has no basis in fact and as such have to attack the messenger; the last bastion of the deluded.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names. Seems odd, considering they believe themselves to be the normal sane ones (according to them).

No, Gilbert. Please pay attention and read the previous posts in the thread. What is happening is that certain people are putting forward irrational points of view.
Take for instance ENT's assertion that the plane which hit the Pentagon at such a speed should (by his calculations) have been wrenched sideways by it's wing hitting the building. Never mind that by the time any substantial part of the wing had hit, a large part of the plane had already entered the building and the entire weight of the plane was driving it forwards .
Others are pointing out the sheer lunacy and lack of logic in this kind of thing and putting forward very well-reasoned debate.