9/11 was an inside job

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Originally Posted by koman

The cast of people involved in this government conspiracy must have been in the hundreds of thousands.....and not a single leak.

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funny you say that,

when the Nazi death camps were running in full burning mode, rumors about them in Germany and else where claimed to be "not possible" or simply "conspiracy theory", the German population didn't know anything about them, and yet it was happening right under their nose

Even the allies didn't believe those "conspiracy theories", so imagine their shock when eventually they discovered it was all true.

yet, even to this day, despite pictures, nazi footage and documents and direct testimonies from the victims, the same ones who didn't believe in those "conspiracies" keep denying they ever existed and these were just manufactured to discredit their beloved and proud Nazi state.

So which one are you Koman, harry and friends ? nazi followers, or conspiracy theories believers ?

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

"Ahhhh I remember this one well....being that I am in the precision metal trade and know quite a bit about steel columns and how they are cut, and the characteristics that go with that...I will say that with 100% assurance, that was not cut with a torch, in fact, it is impossible to make a cut like that with a torch, or any other hand held instrument.

That I am sure of."

"I, too, have many years(25) of mfg./fab. experience in the aerospace industry, and know this isn't a man made cut. Oxy-acet. torches do not leave slag, and there is absolutely no reason to make a diag. cut. It takes twice as long, and is potentially dangerous as the column could easily slip given any lateral pressure placed on the beam."

Do you have any support to back up your ideas LD?

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we are talking LD here, the man who makes strange theories about "valves" to get his point across :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

And Albert....you twit....the firemen cut those beams with oxy acetylene torches to remove the unstable and very dangerous mass of twisted beams sprouting up. Not only have they stated this, but anyone who has used an oxy torch to cut thick metal can see the characteristic cut. The photos were probably taken the next day, or even much later.

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Hmm
You will have to re-explain this one

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by koman

The cast of people involved in this government conspiracy must have been in the hundreds of thousands.....and not a single leak.

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funny you say that,

when the Nazi death camps were running in full burning mode, rumors about them in Germany and else where claimed to be "not possible" or simply "conspiracy theory", the German population didn't know anything about them, and yet it was happening right under their nose

Even the allies didn't believe those "conspiracy theories", so imagine their shock when eventually they discovered it was all true.

yet, even to this day, despite pictures, nazi footage and documents and direct testimonies from the victims, the same ones who didn't believe in those "conspiracies" keep denying they ever existed and these were just manufactured to discredit their beloved and proud Nazi state.

So which one are you Koman, harry and friends ? nazi followers, or conspiracy theories believers ?

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The analogy is so bizarre and stupid that it really does not warrant a response....

Anyway....To the best of my knowledge the Nazi death camps were not subject to much in the way of scrutiny....not a lot of reporters, cameramen and suchlike hanging about.... The average camp tended to be well away from the general population and not once was any of them shown on live TV...... OH, then there was that little business of it all happening in the middle of a gigantic fucking war.

In the aftermath, only a very tiny minority denied their existence....although more questioned some things like the numbers of victims,

In fact, there is absolutely no comparison at all.....but nobody should be surprised that Butterbutt would come up with such nonsense.....:rolleyes:

No hysteria here, Albert...and never has been.
I take it that as your last post was mostly in quotation marks, that you yourself have no real experience with oxy cutters or a thermal lance ? I have. And the cuts are typical.

Why should I waste a lot of time explaining stuff to a feeble-minded person like yourself ?

But just briefly, here's a paste :


It is hard to imagine how a shaped-charge would leave grooves that so closely resemble torch artifacts.
The 45 degree angle argument is weak too. It could have been just a convenient angle to cut at because other debris was obstructing, or perhaps the cutter was trying to direct the column to fall in a certain direction or maybe the cutter was trying to create a "hinge" so that the weight of the column acted to open the cut (rather than close it).
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I worked as an industrial welder for years and often used acetylene cutting torches to cut thick metal. (Not the more recent innovations with thermite cutters mentioned.) Every time I saw this photo I was immediately reminded of that process, though thermite charges seemed almost as likely to produce such a result. The ridges in the cut and the slag is very typical. So I will readily back the claim that it was part of the cleanup process and that our focus should be elsewhere when it comes to solid evidence -- unless of course this photo was from Sept 11 or before cleanup crews were at work. Regarding the angled cut, for anyone who has felled a tree, this angle on vertical beams will come as no surprise. It is a way of controlling the weight and tendency to fall. It was surely not a way of working around obstructions, and yes, it is more material to cut, but safety for the cleanup worker would be the primary concern, so it is no coincidence that all those cut beams show a similar cut, designed to contain chaos.
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I too am a welder fabricator...For thirty years. I also worked as an iron worker. The slag is on the outside which rules out a torch cut. I would use a lance,sometimes called a burning bar. It would explain the slag on the outside . As for the fallen tree theory. You don't try an drop steel like this. For safety sake you would attach a choker via crane or large track hoe. You would not waste time with an angled cut.. The equipment used would direct the fall.
If they did try to use this angled method for direction control (which is unsafe as hell) You would only cut the sides and the back of the column. This would show the inside of the column bent , and torn.
There is only one explaination for the slag on the outside of the column, and the diagonal cut.
CUTTER CHARGES.............PERIOD..
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Much attention has been given to a certain Professor Jones, who maintains that he has developed evidence that the destruction of the Twin Towers and a third building in NYC on 11 September 2001 was the result of planted charges of "thermate". Professor Jones' evidence has been disputed and discounted; however, it has been generally accepted that the material -could- cut through a steel structural beam.

In two current threads, however, supporters of Professor Jones have been repeatedly challenged to present evidence of such cutting. No such evidence has been produced. Clearly, if thermate cannot cut a structural I-beam, then Professor Jones' claims are untenable.

Note that there is no question that thermate can melt the -surface- of steel; however, steel structural members may be inches in thickness. The volume of the thermate necessary to burn through that thickness is apparently too great for effective transfer of heat to the steel. The supposed technique does not work.

Supporters of Dr. Jones are invited to refute this conclusion.
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IMHO, this pic does look like a beam that has been cut with a oxy torch, I´v worked demolition for many years and the black residue and the angle of the cut are very similar if not exactly the same as the hundreds of beams that i have cut in the past.
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Originally Posted by koman

The analogy is so bizarre and stupid that it really does not warrant a response....

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it's perfectly appropriate, it was a big secret with hundreds involved, as you claim it should have been with 911

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Originally Posted by koman

Anyway....To the best of my knowledge the Nazi death camps were not subject to much in the way of scrutiny....not a lot of reporters, cameramen and suchlike hanging about.... The average camp tended to be well away from the general population and not once was any of them shown on live TV...... OH, then there was that little business of it all happening in the middle of a gigantic fucking war.

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I guess German newspaper and Film News didn't report that Jews were being hoarded on trains and stripped of their civic rights :rolleyes:

like 911, we only show you what needs to be seen, not what you shouldn't see, smoke and mirrors literally. Tell us again how the Pentagon video is fully available for the public to see ? and how the 911 Report has been fully disclosed to the public ? oh wait, there weren't :rolleyes:

god, what a gullible idiot you make. So typically American.

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is only one explaination for the slag on the outside of the column, and the diagonal cut. CUTTER CHARGES.............PERIOD..

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:rofl:
:smileylaughing:
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:chitown:

Oh....sorry. I did not pay close attention to my copying and pasting. But hey...milk the humour for all it's worth. After all....being derisive is all you can do.

You have not paid attention to all the other statements.

Albert...so far, in this thread and quite a few others for the last THREE YEARS, you have not provided one bit of original analysis or critical thinking. Nothing by you, yourself.....mostly just insistence on WTC7 being a planned demolition.

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is only one explaination for the slag on the outside of the column, and the diagonal cut. CUTTER CHARGES.............PERIOD..

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:rofl:
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Well done Albert.... one of your best posts ever. You really should just stick to smilies. Any attempt at an actual response just gets you in deeper trouble.....:smileylaughing:

^Still no comment koman :chitown:

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

Oh....sorry. I did not pay close attention to my copying and pasting

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Yes I realise that :)

Koman, like his Nazi predecessors, can only recite propaganda, not articulate thought when exposed to facts

Ok guys, here's an easier one.

Here's a Boeing 767-220 (same as the one which took off from the airport AA175)

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...es_767-200.jpg

And here's the plane that crashed into the second tower

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...flight-175.jpg

Can you see a difference?
:scratchchin:

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

Oh....sorry. I did not pay close attention to my copying and pasting

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Yes I realise that :)

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Perhaps it's because the nonsense you post

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

severely detracts from the real story and real culprits.....like those 28 pages of withheld documents mentioned in the other thread : https://teakdoor.com/world-news/14596...e-history.html

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^ Valve down son :rofl:

:chitown:

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Ok guys, here's an easier one.

Here's a Boeing 767-220 (same as the one which took off from the airport AA175)

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...es_767-200.jpg

And here's the plane that crashed into the second tower

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...flight-175.jpg

Can you see a difference?
:scratchchin:

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Yes, there are all sorts of blobs over the shitty second photograph that all the looney tunes nutjobs can interpret as anything because they're mental cases and think everyone is out to get them.

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Can you see a difference?

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actually no, so really this is a red herring, above all when there are better evidence left all around everywhere

Pentagon video anyone ? :)

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes, there are all sorts of blobs over the shitty second photograph that all the looney tunes nutjobs can interpret as anything because they're mental cases and think everyone is out to get them.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

actually no

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Bizarre, so neither of you can see (in the albeit grainy scan) a missile shaped double carriage (for want of a better expression) running all the way along the bottom of the fuselage?

Strange.

No....we see (as did millions of others) the dark underneath of a fuselage, and a long brighter area which is light shining off it.
The fuselage is just as wide as one might expect.

Notice the angle at which the light is being reflected off the plane elsewhere. It is also being reflected off that area of fuselage at the same angle.

Only someone who had serious ongoing problems with their pattern perception would see anything else. You wouldn't be the type to still take hallucinogenic drugs regularly, would you ? :rolleyes: Whereas many others tried them in the 1970s and then gave up ?

You must have a lot of fun seeing faces and all sorts of patterns in clouds, mate.

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

No....we see (as did millions of others) the dark underneath of a fuselage, and a long brighter area which is light shining off it.
The fuselage is just as wide as one might expect.

Notice the angle at which the light is being reflected off the plane elsewhere. It is also being reflected off that area of fuselage at the same angle.

Only someone who had serious ongoing problems with their pattern perception would see anything else. You wouldn't be the type to still take hallucinogenic drugs regularly, would you ? :rolleyes: Whereas many others tried them in the 1970s and then gave up ?

You must have a lot of fun seeing faces and all sorts of patterns in clouds, mate.

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Yes indeed. The underside of an aircraft in the early morning light, with tall buildings all around casting reflected light and shadows all over it...... and people see a missile......just as people used to see fairies in the woods...and disembodied spirits in wisps of fog.

Of course sheep don't believe in fairies or spirits.....which would explain why so many of us can't see that missile.......:smileylaughing:

You know, that picture was in the paper a few days after 9/11 - on the 14th I think. Not enough time to photoshop an image.

edit (obviously enough time to photoshop an image but you know what I mean :) )

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Originally Posted by ENT

^ Not much room for an airliner to slide in there and disappear, eh?

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Of course there is our mighty overlords said thats what happened so I believe it without question and so should you.:rolleyes:

After all they have never lied to the American people before.

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Bizarre, so neither of you can see (in the albeit grainy scan) a missile shaped double carriage (for want of a better expression) running all the way along the bottom of the fuselage?

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Originally Posted by Latindancer

No....we see (as did millions of others) the dark underneath of a fuselage, and a long brighter area which is light shining off it. The fuselage is just as wide as one might expect.

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Not that I was asking you my learned doondus friend :) , but what is it that makes light bend?

(Hint: ANGLES of refraction)