Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

So what is in those 28 pages that the US don't want people see?

A U.S. congressman calling for the release of classified material from a report into 9/11 has warned there would be 'anger, frustration, and embarrassment' if the redacted pages were made public.
Representative Thomas Massie has joined a call for the government to declassify 28 pages redacted from the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001.
Earlier this year, the lawmaker described how he had to 'try to rearrange my understanding of history' after he read the classified pages of the joint investigation by the House and Senate intelligence committees.

'There will be anger, frustration and embarrassment, but that's no reason to keep the truth from America': Congressman calls for release of redacted 9/11 papers | Mail Online

Indeed. National Security is it? Can't release it to the people of the USA because if they did, it would hurt the people of the USA? Is that right?

Politicians and civil servants work for the people of the country. Or supposedly. They should not have secrets from the people. The only reason they have secrets is because they know that most people would be highly pissed off about what the secret is about.

Interesting....but not necessarily sinister. it seems pretty clear that the "intelligence community" fucked up big time in the months leading up to 9/11, and by doing so, were unable to prevent what happened. This report very likely exposes failures in the intel and security apparatus; possibly names people, and assigns responsibility for the failures.

Such failures go to the heart of national security and that is why they have remained classified. Just a guess, but I'm sure some of our tin hat guy's will have much more colorful explanations....

Originally Posted by koman

remained classified

So your guess is a load of national security bods fucked up, and as a result, 3000 + died, and you are OK with that being hidden under a cloak of privacy. All the people who fucked up might still be in their jobs or got promoted, and you'd never know.

On the flip side, they aggressively name, slander, shame people who break these secrets and tell the world what is really going on. They have no problem with that.

If that report is full of names and details of people who fucked up, they need to be named, what they are doing now needs to be looked at.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by koman

remained classified

So your guess is a load of national security bods fucked up, and as a result, 3000 + died, and you are OK with that being hidden under a cloak of privacy. All the people who fucked up might still be in their jobs or got promoted, and you'd never know.

On the flip side, they aggressively name, slander, shame people who break these secrets and tell the world what is really going on. They have no problem with that.

If that report is full of names and details of people who fucked up, they need to be named, what they are doing now needs to be looked at.

I never said I was OK with it... but if it turns out to be true, I doubt if the key players kept their jobs. All countries protect their intelligent and security apparatus. That's why they call it the "secret" service. If they were to open it up to public scrutiny it would not be a very effective secret service now would it?

It may be something completely different of course; .like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all briefing the suicide pilots and phoning up their Zionist buddies to make sure they don't go to the trade center that morning.......the possibilities are limitless here on TD...... Might even be a passage or two about Holograms, drones and shit.....

Originally Posted by koman

I doubt if the key players kept their jobs

How would you know?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by koman

I doubt if the key players kept their jobs

How would you know?

I don't.. However, the most likely scenario in such as situation is to move the key players into some kind of respectable retirement. Pay them off and put them somewhere safe. You really don't know much about how these systems operate do you?

The system failure prior to 9/11 was widespread and multi-faceted. Human failings and organizational dysfunction all over the place. Agencies protecting their respective territory and withholding intel from each other etc.

The whole thing was re-organized after the fact. New structure, new management, new reporting responsibilities etc.

You are without doubt, now going to give another lecture on how inadequate that is and how the whole world should just be totally honest and tell all the people everything. How we don't need governments and all the folks will just get along and be happy..... It would also be nice if the world was free of biting insects, viral diseases and mental disorders....

^^ He said "doubt" which means he doesn't know. Pseudo you're behaving just like Fluke who did the same as you on his thread regarding 'Standing for the Thai national anthem'.

Keeping secrets for national security is one thing, but keeping secrets to protect reputations is not national security.
Plenty of stuff on line about CIA briefings to Rice and Bush, predicting an attack, what else was said behind closed doors may never be known.

Clearly this congressman was not happy with what he read.

Are you a traitor or a patriot, if you expose wrong doings in a Government, how far does national security go, before it's the peoples right to know.
Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Keeping secrets for national security is one thing, but keeping secrets to protect reputations is not national security.
Plenty of stuff on line about CIA briefings to Rice and Bush, predicting an attack, what else was said behind closed doors may never be known.

Clearly this congressman was not happy with what he read.

Are you a traitor or a patriot, if you expose wrong doings in a Government, how far does national security go, before it's the peoples right to know.
Jim

But it may have nothing to do with protection reputations. I'm talking about operational failures, and maybe even security compromise that resulted in a bunch of DIY pilots being able to wander around the country getting trained in flight simulators, ignoring the "chatter" on the intel network and a whole list of other cock-ups.....which were well publicised and discussed in the aftermath of 9/11

The system failed on many levels. Those who were supposed to be in control of the various parts of the system, but failed to co-ordinate their efforts, may have collectively failed to perform, but poor job performance in itself is not a criminal offence.

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years. There was always scuttlebutt around about "attacks" but they never materialized....and then one day.....a threat was finally carried out.

Intelligence agencies are not like regular government departments and the jobs are not like regular jobs. The people involved, and their activities are protected from public scrutiny. You would never get anyone to work there if they were not.


Such system failures are often admitted, but seldom if ever disclosed in their entirety. The public does not need to know the details, and in any case what good would it do anybody now.


Pretty hard to know what this particular congressman was so unhappy about. Some of them are unhappy about everything. Some are crusaders looking to make a name for themselves. Seems like a good few others read the report and they don't seem to be overly disturbed about it.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Keeping secrets for national security is one thing, but keeping secrets to protect reputations is not national security.
Plenty of stuff on line about CIA briefings to Rice and Bush, predicting an attack, what else was said behind closed doors may never be known.

Clearly this congressman was not happy with what he read.

Are you a traitor or a patriot, if you expose wrong doings in a Government, how far does national security go, before it's the peoples right to know.
Jim

But it may have nothing to do with protection reputations. I'm talking about operational failures, and maybe even security compromise that resulted in a bunch of DIY pilots being able to wander around the country getting trained in flight simulators, ignoring the "chatter" on the intel network and a whole list of other cock-ups.....which were well publicised and discussed in the aftermath of 9/11

The system failed on many levels. Those who were supposed to be in control of the various parts of the system, but failed to co-ordinate their efforts, may have collectively failed to perform, but poor job performance in itself is not a criminal offence.

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years. There was always scuttlebutt around about "attacks" but they never materialized....and then one day.....a threat was finally carried out.

Intelligence agencies are not like regular government departments and the jobs are not like regular jobs. The people involved, and their activities are protected from public scrutiny. You would never get anyone to work there if they were not.


Such system failures are often admitted, but seldom if ever disclosed in their entirety. The public does not need to know the details, and in any case what good would it do anybody now.


Pretty hard to know what this particular congressman was so unhappy about. Some of them are unhappy about everything. Some are crusaders looking to make a name for themselves. Seems like a good few others read the report and they don't seem to be overly disturbed about it.

Probably, we'll never know what the papers say, but Intel is not black ops, it's information. Don't have to disclose operatives, or how the info was collected specifically.
FBI and other police anti terror intel units have to operate within the law and can be held accountable.
Politicians should be held accountable, their elected public servants, they make bad choices, public should know.
Can't believe the US would suppress information to save a public servant, CIA or not, they'd hang them out to dry, if it made political miles. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

FBI and other police anti terror intel units have to operate within the law and can be held accountable.

Don't be silly Jim.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

'Standing for the Thai national anthem'.

Yeah don't do that either. I don't stand for mine, so why should I for theirs.

Anyway



Milton knew what was happening - was dead before 9/11 and yet actually predicted....oh well....

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Milton knew what was happening - was dead before 9/11 and yet actually predicted....oh well....

William "Bill" Cooper.

A legend.

Murdered in his own home by several cia/fbi agents a few years ago under bullshit pretences.

RIP fella - we will continue your work

[quote]Originally Posted by Pragmatic
'Standing for the Thai national anthem'.

Pseudolus.
"Yeah don't do that either. I don't stand for mine, so why should I for theirs.

Anyway"

Anyway, wait til Fluke knows that.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Anyway, wait til Fluke knows that.

why? so he can bitch and fucking moan about something else he knows fuck all about?

Son of a nazi that he is...

Anyway 0-

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

few years ago

Died: November 5, 2001 (whoops - I said he died just before 9/11, but actually, just after. ).

Originally Posted by pseudolus

why?

Cuz that's disrespectful to your host country. According to Fluke.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by pseudolus

why?

Cuz that's disrespectful to your host country. According to Fluke.

I took a snap poll on my feeling towards anything that fake has ever written. The results are as expected.

^ Very good cum back Pseudo. Don't say you weren't warned.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by koman

But it may have nothing to do with protection reputations. I'm talking about operational failures, and maybe even security compromise that resulted in a bunch of DIY pilots being able to wander around the country getting trained in flight simulators, ignoring the "chatter" on the intel network and a whole list of other cock-ups.....which were well publicised and discussed in the aftermath of 9/11

The system failed on many levels. Those who were supposed to be in control of the various parts of the system, but failed to co-ordinate their efforts, may have collectively failed to perform, but poor job performance in itself is not a criminal offence.

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years. There was always scuttlebutt around about "attacks" but they never materialized....and then one day.....a threat was finally carried out.

Intelligence agencies are not like regular government departments and the jobs are not like regular jobs. The people involved, and their activities are protected from public scrutiny. You would never get anyone to work there if they were not.


Such system failures are often admitted, but seldom if ever disclosed in their entirety. The public does not need to know the details, and in any case what good would it do anybody now.


Pretty hard to know what this particular congressman was so unhappy about. Some of them are unhappy about everything. Some are crusaders looking to make a name for themselves. Seems like a good few others read the report and they don't seem to be overly disturbed about it.

This is all irrelevant blah blah blah.

As a brainwashed mug or a shill, your blathering about people fvcking up is just that - blathering.

Your points are stupid and simply wrong.

There will be no excuses.

This was pre-meditated mass murder, and they will pay with blood - not excuses.

There are no excuses and there is nothing stupid in any of what I said.

For you to call anyone a brainwashed shill is really something. You know absolutely nothing about me, or how/why I hold these views. If you did know you would not talk such bollocks.

One thing every conspiracy nut-has in common is that they believe everyone else is stupid...or brainwashed...or some kind of shill. It's their standard approach and language used in every kind of debate.

For your own part, you offer nothing factual, or even a remotely persuasive opinion so you are in no position to be calling anyone else brainwashed or stupid.

The obvious shortcomings in the overall security and intel environment within the US were widely discussed after 9/11. As a result of the system failure. a whole new structure was developed to integrate and improve the sharing of intel......so WTF are you yapping on about, you clueless twat...

So go ahead, tell me where anything I've written is "stupid" or "wrong" and why.

You really know fuck all about any of this do you?....but you chirp along with all the tin hatters because it's apparently all you know how to do.

Pay with blood?....WTF does that mean?

OK,... Most. if not all of the key people in power back in Sept 2001 are comfortably retired with excellent pensions and benefits....some of them may be volunteer blood donors....so I suppose at a pinch, we could agree that they are paying with blood; but somehow I don' think that's what you had in mind...

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by koman

But it may have nothing to do with protection reputations. I'm talking about operational failures, and maybe even security compromise that resulted in a bunch of DIY pilots being able to wander around the country getting trained in flight simulators, ignoring the "chatter" on the intel network and a whole list of other cock-ups.....which were well publicised and discussed in the aftermath of 9/11

The system failed on many levels. Those who were supposed to be in control of the various parts of the system, but failed to co-ordinate their efforts, may have collectively failed to perform, but poor job performance in itself is not a criminal offence.

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years. There was always scuttlebutt around about "attacks" but they never materialized....and then one day.....a threat was finally carried out.

Intelligence agencies are not like regular government departments and the jobs are not like regular jobs. The people involved, and their activities are protected from public scrutiny. You would never get anyone to work there if they were not.


Such system failures are often admitted, but seldom if ever disclosed in their entirety. The public does not need to know the details, and in any case what good would it do anybody now.


Pretty hard to know what this particular congressman was so unhappy about. Some of them are unhappy about everything. Some are crusaders looking to make a name for themselves. Seems like a good few others read the report and they don't seem to be overly disturbed about it.

This is all irrelevant blah blah blah.

As a brainwashed mug or a shill, your blathering about people fvcking up is just that - blathering.

Your points are stupid and simply wrong.

There will be no excuses.

This was pre-meditated mass murder, and they will pay with blood - not excuses.

There are no excuses and there is nothing stupid in any of what I said.

For you to call anyone a brainwashed shill is really something. You know absolutely nothing about me, or how/why I hold these views. If you did know you would not talk such bollocks.

One thing every conspiracy nut-has in common is that they believe everyone else is stupid...or brainwashed...or some kind of shill. It's their standard approach and language used in every kind of debate.

For your own part, you offer nothing factual, or even a remotely persuasive opinion so you are in no position to be calling anyone else brainwashed or stupid.

The obvious shortcomings in the overall security and intel environment within the US were widely discussed after 9/11. As a result of the system failure. a whole new structure was developed to integrate and improve the sharing of intel......so WTF are you yapping on about, you clueless twat...

So go ahead, tell me where anything I've written is "stupid" or "wrong" and why.

You really know fuck all about any of this do you?....but you chirp along with all the tin hatters because it's apparently all you know how to do.

Pay with blood?....WTF does that mean?

OK,... Most. if not all of the key people in power back in Sept 2001 are comfortably retired with excellent pensions and benefits....some of them may be volunteer blood donors....so I suppose at a pinch, we could agree that they are paying with blood; but somehow I don' think that's what you had in mind...

"There's none so blind as those who will not see"

And that is giving you plenty of rope.

Originally Posted by koman

phoning up their Zionist buddies to make sure they don't go to the trade center that morning.

This has always caught my eye, as I know someone who's Jewish sister in law was supposedly late that day and putting her make up on when her coworkers called her, she was just about to go to the train station when she found out. Always made me wonder? Never really thought much about it until I started reading the above conspiracy all over the place, made it quite curious to say the least.

Originally Posted by koman

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years.

Erm I'm with on most points so far Koman but I can't let this oversight slide. The attacks happened only 8 months into Bush's term, a tumultuous time of transition when not much productive gets done which is why a 6 year term should be considered for the modern more complicated age, but that's another topic altogether.

The shoddy intelligence and lack of action came from the previous administration who decided to coast through their time in office and pass the problem on.

Originally Posted by koman

One thing every conspiracy nut-has in common is that they believe everyone else is stupid...or brainwashed...or some kind of shill. It's their standard approach and language used in every kind of debate.

Truer words never written..

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by koman

But it may have nothing to do with protection reputations. I'm talking about operational failures, and maybe even security compromise that resulted in a bunch of DIY pilots being able to wander around the country getting trained in flight simulators, ignoring the "chatter" on the intel network and a whole list of other cock-ups.....which were well publicised and discussed in the aftermath of 9/11

The system failed on many levels. Those who were supposed to be in control of the various parts of the system, but failed to co-ordinate their efforts, may have collectively failed to perform, but poor job performance in itself is not a criminal offence.

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years. There was always scuttlebutt around about "attacks" but they never materialized....and then one day.....a threat was finally carried out.

Intelligence agencies are not like regular government departments and the jobs are not like regular jobs. The people involved, and their activities are protected from public scrutiny. You would never get anyone to work there if they were not.


Such system failures are often admitted, but seldom if ever disclosed in their entirety. The public does not need to know the details, and in any case what good would it do anybody now.


Pretty hard to know what this particular congressman was so unhappy about. Some of them are unhappy about everything. Some are crusaders looking to make a name for themselves. Seems like a good few others read the report and they don't seem to be overly disturbed about it.

This is all irrelevant blah blah blah.

As a brainwashed mug or a shill, your blathering about people fvcking up is just that - blathering.

Your points are stupid and simply wrong.

There will be no excuses.

This was pre-meditated mass murder, and they will pay with blood - not excuses.

There are no excuses and there is nothing stupid in any of what I said.

For you to call anyone a brainwashed shill is really something. You know absolutely nothing about me, or how/why I hold these views. If you did know you would not talk such bollocks.

One thing every conspiracy nut-has in common is that they believe everyone else is stupid...or brainwashed...or some kind of shill. It's their standard approach and language used in every kind of debate.

For your own part, you offer nothing factual, or even a remotely persuasive opinion so you are in no position to be calling anyone else brainwashed or stupid.

The obvious shortcomings in the overall security and intel environment within the US were widely discussed after 9/11. As a result of the system failure. a whole new structure was developed to integrate and improve the sharing of intel......so WTF are you yapping on about, you clueless twat...

So go ahead, tell me where anything I've written is "stupid" or "wrong" and why.

You really know fuck all about any of this do you?....but you chirp along with all the tin hatters because it's apparently all you know how to do.

Pay with blood?....WTF does that mean?

OK,... Most. if not all of the key people in power back in Sept 2001 are comfortably retired with excellent pensions and benefits....some of them may be volunteer blood donors....so I suppose at a pinch, we could agree that they are paying with blood; but somehow I don' think that's what you had in mind...

"There's none so blind as those who will not see"

And that is giving you plenty of rope.

Nice quote, amazing how those of your ilk refuse to accept it like you have glaucoma but yet quote it to try to make your point against someone else who's understanding and vision is really quite astute. The irony is astounding.