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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    I call those diagrams bullshit, a total fabrication.
    of course, it's from LD

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    I call those diagrams bullshit, a total fabrication.

    That's because you're retarded


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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    "Powered up" and "the plane banked" or "was banking" are not the average citizen's words chappy, they are from flyers' vocabulary.

    Those "witnesses" were coached.

    Similarly with those witnesses that claimed that a great explosion rocked the ground, rocked their cars, rocked their buildings when the seismograph stations couldn't even pick up the shock waves from such a blast!
    Now we know just how stupid and deluded you are, ENT. The expression "the plane banked" is something people in high school know and use. They get used on TV all the time, same as "powered up".

    And the shock wave probably traveled horizontally, as that is how the plane hit.
    Stranger things happen in suburban fires, as firemen can tell you.


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    recoverable and analyzable tissue would not have yielded much information in 2001, only after 2010 was replication of DNA possible so that full sequences could be determined from minute samples. In 2001, that science was not in place.
    This is nonsense too. PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, was developed back in the eighties.
    Yup, every school boy knows what "banked" and "powered up" means, uhuh, common usage, yup, even most women would use the words in normal conversation,.....bollix! Used on TV all the time? Rubbish!

    Sort of like valving electric windows up and down. eh? In lalaland eh?

    Sure PCR was indeed invented and developed in the 1980s, but not sufficiently developed until the last last few years so that the minutest scrap of DNA recoverable from any sample could be ID'd.Burnt or degraded tissue can't yield sufficient DNA to replicate, partial replication became possible recently .

    Which is why "cold cases" are being revisited more frequently now, such as the Meredith Kercher murder, where more advanced methods of DNA testing may now prove, using the minute samples preserved that Amanda Knox was indeed complicit in the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia 2007.

    Based on PCR. a further method called short tandem repeat STR was later developed during the 1990s, but it's still extremely difficult if not impossible to fully identify some DNA sample. ie burnt or degraded DNA.

    "In practice, the risk of contaminated-matching is much greater than matching a distant relative, such as a sample being contaminated from nearby objects, or from left-over cells transferred from a prior test. Logically, the risk is greater for matching the most common person in the samples: everything collected from, or in contact with, a victim is a major source of contamination for any other samples brought into a lab. For that reason, multiple control-samples are typically tested, to ensure that they stayed clean, when prepared during the same period as the actual test samples. Unexpected matches (or variations) in several control-samples indicates a high probability of contamination for the actual test samples."
    DNA profiling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Which is why "cold cases are being revisited more frequently now, such as the Meredith Kercher murder, where more advanced methods of DNA testing can now prove, using the minute samples preserved that Amanda Knox was indeed complicit in the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia 2007.

    So how the hell the forensic pathologists at Dover were able to ID everyone through all that degraded material is a bloody miracle, and again a world's first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    I call those diagrams bullshit, a total fabrication.

    That's because you're retarded
    Just a fabrication, no basis in reality for the body positions marked in the area that is presumably occupied by the nose of the alleged aircraft.

    The passengers were supposed to be in the rear of the plane. hairybarearsedcuza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Dudes : as for debris, look at this link, and check out the photos carefully :

    9-11 Research: The Azari C-130 Crash

    Part of which is this paragraph :

    The idea that the Pentagon was not struck by a jetliner on 9/11/01 is often asserted on the basis that there was insufficient aircraft debris in front of the Pentagon following the attack. The Azari crash is one of several examples that show crashes of large aircraft into buildings do not necessarily leave large recognizable pieces of aircraft. A C-130 is a four-engine turboprop aircraft similar in weight to a Boeing 757. The fact that the C-130's pilot was attempting to land contrasts with the fact that the Pentagon attack plane approached at about double landing speed, and makes the paucity of rubble in the Azari crash more surprising than in the Pentagon crash.
    So by your argument it makes it impossible for anything recognisable to survive the impact, including the passengers, dopey.

    The big mystery is where the hell the engines disappeared to, only parts of one small one was found, but wrong size.

    The big problem with the story is that there's no published images of bodies, strapped to seats, that some claim to have seen.

    I can tell you one thing for sure,.... bodies from aircraft impacting at high speed don't look like bodies any more, they would have been compressed into lumps, skulls driven through the body cavity through into the pelvis, the jaw bone sticking out of the anal orifice, or spine driven through the skull or lower limbs driven straight up through the pelvis.

    And in this given scenario, they were then blown up, then burned, then crushed in the building collapse then hosed over and mixed with dirt, foam and aircraft fuel until the chance of recovering any DNA at all would have been nil.
    Which is another good reason why Dover couldn't ID all those body parts that they got dumped into a landfill.

    The roof was brought down about half an hour after the primary explosion and fire, and no way in the world were all the passenger bodies recovered from there in that half hour.

    There's no way passsenger bodies could have been recovered from an alleged airliner crash at the Pentagon.

    The only bodies either whole or partially dismembered found at the Pentagon were Pentagon employees.

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    And unsurprisingly the fuselage of the plane continue through the building and concertinaed before coming to rest.

    Which is why most of the debris was inside the building not outside.

    Physics 101 for lamebrains like you: Notice how the driver of this car (in this case, one with an intelligence that probably matches yours) continues to move in the direction of travel, restrained from continuing to the final point of impact only by the seat belt.

    Now imagine it at 500MPH with a bulkhead, galley equipment and assorted other bits of aviation paraphernalia propelling from behind.



    Jaysus, you are so fucking stupid you deserve a medal of some kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And unsurprisingly the fuselage of the plane continue through the building and concertinaed before coming to rest.

    Which is why most of the debris was inside the building not outside.

    Now imagine it at 500MPH with a bulkhead, galley equipment and assorted other bits of aviation paraphernalia propelling from behind.
    Oh, wow, which witnesses you gonna believe ? The ones who said the plane pealed back at the wall, the ones who claim that the wings smacked into the wall leaving their marks, or the ones that say the wings were blown up, bits found on the lawn (where) or the folks that reckon the wings folded up and slid into the Pentagon?

    There's no evidence whatsoever that "most of the (plane) debris" ended up inside the building.

    You have to be thick as sh*t to try and convince anyone that an alleged airliner made of aluminium and composite plastic material
    was able to punch through a re-enforced concrete, steel and brick building unscathed to finally concertina at the end of its trajectory. It would have been ripped to shreds well before it ever got close to AE drive where so many passenger bodies were allegedly found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
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    no motive yet?
    Billions in lost money by the Pentagon - the offices hit were the ones investigating. Rumsfeld made the announcement about the missing billions at a news conference -- on 9/10 - the day before. Do keep up old chap.

    surely there are easier , less controversial ways of making easy money

    sorry, that doesn't wash, a pathetic motive
    Oh FFS Andy. No one is suggesting THAT was the motive. It was the icing on the cake. They deliberately reveal the huge black hole of money on the eve of the day they know they will carry out the "big charade" on America. So the Pentagon and its auditors room is targeted by adding it to the list of targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And unsurprisingly the fuselage of the plane continue through the building and concertinaed before coming to rest.

    Which is why most of the debris was inside the building not outside.

    Physics 101 for lamebrains like you: Notice how the driver of this car (in this case, one with an intelligence that probably matches yours) continues to move in the direction of travel, restrained from continuing to the final point of impact only by the seat belt.

    Now imagine it at 500MPH with a bulkhead, galley equipment and assorted other bits of aviation paraphernalia propelling from behind.



    Jaysus, you are so fucking stupid you deserve a medal of some kind.
    I saw the result of an accident on the M1 a while back, some car was about four foot long after crashing into a truck that looked as though it had jackknifed and ended up lengthwise across the entire carriageway. I wouldn't expect to see much left of a plane that enters a building.

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    I say,"Similarly with those witnesses that claimed that a great explosion rocked the ground, rocked their cars, rocked their buildings when the seismograph stations couldn't even pick up the shock waves from such a blast!"

    Quote Latindancer; "And the shock wave probably traveled horizontally, as that is how the plane hit.
    Stranger things happen in suburban fires, as firemen can tell you."
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    Now where did ya get that gem from? High school or Popular Mechanics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Oh, wow, which witnesses you gonna believe ? The ones who said the plane pealed back at the wall, the ones who claim that the wings smacked into the wall leaving their marks, or the ones that say the wings were blown up, bits found on the lawn (where) or the folks that reckon the wings folded up and slid into the Pentagon?
    So now that the basic laws of inertia have been explained to you, now you are inventing witness statements that contradict the photographs.

    Soooooo fucking predictable.

    You're going to end up one of those harmless mentally ill people that walks down the street muttering to himself while everyone crosses the road to avoid him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    I saw the result of an accident on the M1 a while back, some car was about four foot long after crashing into a truck that looked as though it had jackknifed and ended up lengthwise across the entire carriageway. I wouldn't expect to see much left of a plane that enters a building.
    I saw the result of a Porsche 9/11 going through a Security Box (sadly with the officer in it) at about 150Mph. The only thing left bigger than a shoe was the engine block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Oh, wow, which witnesses you gonna believe ? The ones who said the plane pealed back at the wall, the ones who claim that the wings smacked into the wall leaving their marks, or the ones that say the wings were blown up, bits found on the lawn (where) or the folks that reckon the wings folded up and slid into the Pentagon?
    So now that the basic laws of inertia have been explained to you, now you are inventing witness statements that contradict the photographs.

    Soooooo fucking predictable.

    You're going to end up one of those harmless mentally ill people that walks down the street muttering to himself while everyone crosses the road to avoid him.

    Got to let ya know you're losing your marbles, chappy.

    In your post #2603 in this thread you posted a list of purported witness statements.

    If you go through that list you posted, you'll find that it was that lot who gave conflicting accounts of how the supposed airliner disintegrated.

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    wasnt the manoeuvre that the plane that hit the pentagon so difficult even an experienced pilot would have struggled? how would a novice do it then? practicing on a SNES?

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    That's what the experienced pilots say.

    But Skippy-the-dancing-dago LD thinks that he could do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    I saw the result of an accident on the M1 a while back, some car was about four foot long after crashing into a truck that looked as though it had jackknifed and ended up lengthwise across the entire carriageway. I wouldn't expect to see much left of a plane that enters a building.
    I saw the result of a Porsche 9/11 going through a Security Box (sadly with the officer in it) at about 150Mph. The only thing left bigger than a shoe was the engine block.
    Quite expected.

    But the car didn't explode in a ball of flames, then keep traveling a hundred metres, punching its way through dozens of concrete and steel columns and six re-enforced concrete walls before concertinaing.

    An airliner, basically an aluminium tube, wouldn't have a chance of concertinaing as it (purportedly) went through those walls and a small forest of concrete pillars, leaving a neat pile of bodies/parts exactly where the nose cone was alleged to be.

    This s what happens to airliner nose cones on impact, even gentle ones, let alone smashes at 500mph as alleged.















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    Rumsfeld says plane shot down over Ohio and missile hits Pentagon.



    Just to remind you hairybare-arse cuza.

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    [QUOTE=TonyBKK;2579627]Do you think that the entire Arlington Fire and Rescue and the Washington Post are also part of the "grand conspiracy"?

    They were there when the American Airlines Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9-11:

    The firehouse at the Pentagon heliport is the quietest in Arlington County, Virginia. The little station, located just off the landing pad on the west side of Defense Department headquarters, is typically staffed by a small crew of civilian firefighters from the U.S. Army's Fort Myer Fire Department.

    At 9:39 a.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, the crew of Foam Tender 161 was at ``Ground Zero,’’ on the banks of the Potomac River, across from Washington, D.C.

    Loss of Foam Tender 161

    Fort Myer firefighter Alan Wallace, a veteran federal firefighter, was tending to the foam rig on the Pentagon fire station ramp, when he heard the Boeing 757’s screaming engines – and looked to the sky. American Airlines Fight 77 to Los Angeles, with 64 souls aboard, had been hijacked from Washington-Dulles International Airport. ``Runnnnn!’’ Wallace yelled to a buddy, firefighter Mark Skipper.

    The plane was 200 yards away - and 25 feet off the ground.

    ``There was no time to look back, barely time to scramble’’ for Wallace and the others, The Washington Post said. ``He made it about 30 feet, heard a terrible roar, felt the heat, and dove underneath a van, skinning his stomach as he slid across the blacktop, sailing across it as though he were riding a luge.

    ``A few seconds later he was sliding back out to check on his friend and then race back to the fire truck,’’ the Post said. ``He jumped in threw it into gear, but the accelerator was dead. The entire back of the truck was destroyed, the cab on fire. He grabbed the radio handset and called the main station at Fort Myer to report the unimaginable.’’

    It was a firestorm – a war zone. Our Pearl Harbor – ``The Big One.’/QUOTE]

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    Let's have a look-see at what really happened to the mysterious firetruck 161.....


    Why Was FMFD Unit 161 at the Pentagon Before the Crash of 'Flight 77'?

    Why are ACFD Engine 102 and 107, and MWAA Unit 331 not mentioned in official reports?


    When did Fort Meyer Fire Department (FMFD) Unit 161, and Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority (MWAA) Unit 331, arrive at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, and why does it matter?

    National Airport's aircraft rescue firefighters (ARFF) foam units "knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival," said Captain Michael Defina (page removed from Arlington County website), who was the shift commander that day at Reagan National Airport (National Fire Protection Association Journal, November 1, 2001).

    Captain Defina, who had been at the site of a motor vehicle accident, arrived at the Pentagon "two to three minutes" after he "saw a smoke plume arise" from the Pentagon.





    FMFD Unit 161


    FMFD Unit 161 at the Pentagon before Flight 77 strike




    "Captain Defina drove onto the heliport and directed Foam Unit 331 to set up there, where Fort Myer Unit 161 had established a hydrant water supply. The only other firefighting apparatus he saw on the west side was Arlington County's Engine and Truck 105 on the far north end. Their crews went into the building to conduct search and rescue." FMFD Unit 161



    Click to see a Boeing 757 superimposed, details of destruction from The Pentagon Building Performance Report
    From the photo and diagram above, it appears that the crew of Engine 161 are seen entering the Pentagon's heliport side entrance (shown in the diagram at bottom center). Engine 161 is just left of the entrance. The gap in the Pentagon wall after the collapse of its roof would be on the right - just off the photo.



    After the right wing hit, wouldn't the plane veer right?
    reported path of Flight 77


    Reported path of Flight 77
    "While Foam Unit 331 hit the fire with foam from its roof and bumper turrets, Unit 335's four-person crew used hand lines in an attempt to control the fires".




    MWAA Unit 331 at the Pentagon

    Why does this matter?

    Let's contruct a timeline of events at the Pentagon, and see if it tells us anything.

    9:29 - Flight 77 is at 7000 feet, 38 miles west of the Pentagon (9/11 Commission Report, p9).
    9:32 - Bombs cited in Barbara Honegger's two-hour, under-oath, videotaped interview/testimony of key Pentagon eyewitness April Gallop.

    9:xx - "Captain Dennis Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77 slammed into it." (Arlington County After-Action Report, Annex pages A-4 and A-5).

    9:xx - Firefighter Alan Wallace hears "the Boeing 757's screaming engines" and yells "Runnnnn!" to "firefighter Mark Skipper."

    9:37:46 - Flight 77 traveling at 530 mph hits the Pentagon (9/11 Commission Report, p10).

    9:38 - FMFD Unit 161 is on fire at the Pentagon (Arlington County After-Action Report, Annex pages A-4 and A-5).

    9:40 - FAA grounds all flights at U.S. airports (FOX Facts, May 3, 2006).

    9:xx - Captain Defina, shift commander that day at National, arrives at Pentagon "two to three minutes" after seeing a plume of smoke.

    9:41 - ACFD fire Truck 105 arrives at the Pentagon (Arlington County After-Action Report, Appendix 1).

    9:41 - ACFD Battalion Chief Cornwell arrives and assumes Incident Command (Arlington County After-Action Report, Appendix 1).

    9:41 - Command established (9/11 Commission Report, p314).

    9:xx - National's Aircraft Rescue Firefighters (ARFF) crews "knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival".

    9:48 - ACFD Assistant Chief Schwartz arrives and assumes Incident Command (Arlington County After-Action Report, Appendix 1).

    9:55 - Incident commander orders evacuation of impacted areas (9/11 Commission Report, p315).

    9:57 - A partial collapse occurs (9/11 Commission Report, p314).

    10:15 - Incident commander orders full evacuation (9/11 Commission Report, p315).

    Was the "plume of smoke" that Captain Defina saw from the crash of Flight 77, or from the bombs reported inside the Pentagon at 9:32?
    The debris seen in the photo of Unit 161 above, and the "slab deflected upward," are consistent with an explosion inside the Pentagon.

    At the Dept. of Defense News Briefing on September 12, 2001, when asked about the "small pieces of the plane virtually all over, out over the highway, tiny pieces", Arlington County Fire Department (ACFD) Chief Ed Plaugher responded, "I'd rather not comment on that." Neither Flight 77 nor Boeing 757 were mentioned during the news briefing.

    Why was Plaugher being evasive? Was he trying to hide the presence of ACFD Engine 102 and 107 (seen in the photo below) at the Pentagon?




    ACFD Engine 102 and 107 at the Pentagon
    Questions about what hit the Pentagon on September 11, continued to be raised at the Dept. of Defense News Briefing on September 15, 2001. Neither Flight 77 nor Boeing 757 were mentioned during the news briefing.

    The Arlington County After-Action Report confirms the presence of Unit 161 at the Pentagon prior to impact (page A-4):

    Captain Dennis Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77 slammed into it, just beyond the heliport. Foam 161 caught fire and suffered a flat tire from flying debris. Firefighters Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace were outside the vehicle at impact and received burns and lacerations. Recovering from the initial shock, they began helping victims climb out of the Pentagon's first floor windows. Captain Gilroy called the Fort Myer Fire Department, reporting for the first time the actual location of the crash.
    What do Captains Defina and Gilroy, and firefighters Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace know about what happened at the Pentagon?
    ACFD Engine 102 and 107, and MWAA Unit 331, are not mentioned in either the Arlington County After-Action Report or The 9/11 Commission Report.

    In yet another attempt to cover-up what happened at the Pentagon prior to the alleged strike by Flight 77, officials have removed the time (9:37 A.M.) of the alleged strike from the Pentagon Memorial.

    Why Was FMFD Unit 161 at the Pentagon Before the Crash of 'Flight 77'?

    Oh, by the way, take a closer look at the two top photos of the front of the Pentagon,....................................

    The trees which were also in the way of the plane's left wing tip and behind firetruck 161 which caught fire are still standing unscathed
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    Hardly a damned leaf out of place on those trees, musta been a strange kinda of explosion

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    Airliner seen taking a more northerly flight path as it flew toward and over the Pentagon.






    An airliner was seen flying towards the Pentagon to the North of the service station, not on the flight path shown below.



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    This is worth watching and analysing.

    Not only the non-airliner becomes more obviously so, but the explosions filmed, two of them, don't support the contention that an airliner crashed at the Pentagon at all.

    Debris from the first, small white explosion out on the lawn can clearly be seen drifting and falling before the second larger fireball ignites, and before the "flying object/aircraft reaches the Pentagon facade.



    Why the two explosions? What was that debris seen flying forward towards the right of the screen?

    A white flash/flame explosion is typical of a gas (CNG/LPG) fueled ignition, no black smoke, so all the debris released by it into the air as seen, lands onto the lawn nice and clean, as seen in countless photographs.

    It can also be seen in the overhead view at the end of the video, just before the mystery flying object, not an airliner hits the Pentagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrinking Violet View Post
    wasnt the manoeuvre that the plane that hit the pentagon so difficult even an experienced pilot would have struggled? how would a novice do it then? practicing on a SNES?
    Yes and pilots train to crash every day... He wasn't training to maneuver he was trained to crash ffs, one time....

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    easy enough to crash a plane!

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    Strange that the Dover pathologists couldn't find his DNA among all the bodies/parts supposed to have been piled up in the nose cone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post
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    wasnt the manoeuvre that the plane that hit the pentagon so difficult even an experienced pilot would have struggled? how would a novice do it then? practicing on a SNES?
    Yes and pilots train to crash every day... He wasn't training to maneuver he was trained to crash ffs, one time....
    Now, tell us all about how ya can get to flying school and train to crash, dipshit.

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