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    ^I'll watch that, but I've never been convinced debates are an accurate gauge of Presidential performance. To me, a person should have the right to flip-flop on issues as he or she becomes better informed over time. And, leadership is never on exhibit.

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    Rudy is a fraud, and anyone voting for him is a big fucking sucker and a bigger idiot who doesn't know any better

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    ^Ok bf, which of the candidates are not frauds in your opinion and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    ^I'll watch that, but I've never been convinced debates are an accurate gauge of Presidential performance. To me, a person should have the right to flip-flop on issues as he or she becomes better informed over time. And, leadership is never on exhibit.
    Agree as far as the current structure of the "debates". With so many participants it is no more than a series of 30 second sound bites. It is not a debate as I understand one to be. There is insufficient time for each candidate to "cross examine" the others. A debate of an hour or more discussing 1 or 2 issues with only 2 or 3 candidates is a much better way to assess their views. The last meaningful presidential debates were the ones prior to the last two administrations.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    exhibited firstly in the crime clean-up of NYC
    no doubt...he did clean up the city. but what concerns me is the methods he used to do so. remember "giuliani time"?


    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    secondly during 9/11.
    noun + verb + 9/11 ---to quote joe biden.

    but yeah, he's a tough guy who isn't rattled easily. but there have been some recent reports on his judgment regarding terrorism. first, putting the command center in the WTC, secondly putting kerik up for homeland security secretary even though he was informed that kerik had been compromised by the mob, and then i heard a report today that he's got business connections with some guy who helped a major terrorst escape US capture---i'll dig up details soon on this and post it.


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    I like that fact he isn't another bible thumper and not beholden or pandering to Fundamental Christians.
    me too.

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    Mike Hucabee
    huckabee is a likable guy...but the more people learn what a religious nut he is, the less likely he is to get even close to the nomination.



    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    To me, a person should have the right to flip-flop on issues as he or she becomes better informed over time.
    the republicans used this so well in 2004.

    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    which of the candidates are not frauds
    question wasn't directed to me, but IMO the following seem genuine....

    ron paul
    huckabee
    obama
    kucinich
    Last edited by raycarey; 29-11-2007 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    huckabee is a likable guy...but the more people learn what a religious nut he is, the less likely he is to get even close to the nomination.
    This is not an endorsement of preacher Mike but unlike the religious crusader we currently have, at least he is honest about it. Remember we are talking about the Republicans here so he may well be perceived as a moderate regarding religion.

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    Duplicate post.

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    uh-oh.

    As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.

    The documents, obtained by Politico under New York’s Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants.

    At the time, the mayor’s office refused to explain the accounting to city auditors, citing “security.”
    Giuliani billed obscure agencies for trips - Ben Smith - Politico.com

    billing the city for hotel rooms in the hamptons to cheat on his wife.

    i expect this story will have legs.

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    Ray, yeah, Ron Paul has some great and radical ideas, but he is so unlikely to get the nomination I don't waste my time looking too deeply at him.

    Obama has a sort of Kennedy quality about him, and seems like a smooth and likable guy. He seems success-driven, which is not a bad thing to compete in Washington. He does lack in any foreign policy experience and seems relatively inexperienced against the field - though I'd pick him in a second over Clinton. Until recently, Clinton looked unbeatable, but that has changed over the past weeks. Again, too early to tell.

    Haven't looked much at Huckabee and Cucinich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    Haven't looked much at Huckabee and Cucinich.
    conventional wisdom (whatever that's worth) says that neither one of them has a real chance....kucinich less so than huckabee.

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    credibility is becoming a real issue for giuliani...

    Discussing his crime-fighting success as mayor, Mr. Giuliani told a television interviewer that New York was “the only city in America that has reduced crime every single year since 1994.” In New Hampshire this week, he told a public forum that when he became mayor in 1994, New York “had been averaging like 1,800, 1,900 murders for almost 30 years.” When a recent Republican debate turned to the question of fiscal responsibility, he boasted that “under me, spending went down by 7 percent.”


    All of these statements are incomplete, exaggerated or just plain wrong.
    in recent days, both Mr. Giuliani’s Republican rival Mitt Romney and Democrats have accused him of a pattern of misleading figures and have begun to use the issue to try to undercut his credibility.

    An examination of many of his statements by The New York Times, other news organizations and independent groups have turned up a variety of misstatements, virtually all of which cast Mr. Giuliani or his arguments in a better light.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us...Q1JWrZtIpzCCLA

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    uh-oh.
    Giuliani billed obscure agencies for trips - Ben Smith - Politico.com
    billing the city for hotel rooms in the hamptons to cheat on his wife. i expect this story will have legs.
    RC, I think you're right. In 1988, Gary Hart was brought down for a lesser offense when he was the leading presidential candidate. Hart was legally separated and did not spend taxpayer funds on his bimbo. Photos of Hart and Donna Rice were snapped with a telephoto lens (would you expect anything less when your probable opponent was George H.W. Bush?) while they were on a yacht appropriately named the Monkey Business. Hart sunk quickly in the polls and soon dropped out of the race. Mercifully, we don't have romantic photos of Giuliani. But I don't see how he can survive this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    Mercifully, we don't have romantic photos of Giuliani.
    fingers crossed. as much as their surfacing would expedite the ruin of his campaign, i don't think i could survive looking at them.

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    I don't see how he can survive this.
    keep in mind that he's the fear candidate....once this hillary hostage drama ends, the media will refocus on this scandal, and he'll try to distract from it by scaring the hell out of america again.

    and why not....it worked in 2002 and 2004? remember the "wolves at the door"?

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    more ethics questions for rudy....

    In the fall of 2001, city cops chauffeured Rudy Giuliani's then-mistress, Judith Nathan, to her parents' Pennsylvania home 130 miles away on the taxpayers' dime.
    it was not uncommon to see Nathan being chauffeured around the city in an undercover Dodge with two detectives, who sometimes even helped to walk her dog.
    City taxpayers picked up tab for Judith Giuliani's visit to kin in Pennsylvania

    and while he may be able to wiggle out from under this, the damage will be done....because even the denials of financial impropriety bring attention to the fact that he was cheating on his wife....his second wife that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    more ethics questions for rudy....

    In the fall of 2001, city cops chauffeured Rudy Giuliani's then-mistress, Judith Nathan, to her parents' Pennsylvania home 130 miles away on the taxpayers' dime.
    it was not uncommon to see Nathan being chauffeured around the city in an undercover Dodge with two detectives, who sometimes even helped to walk her dog.
    City taxpayers picked up tab for Judith Giuliani's visit to kin in Pennsylvania

    and while he may be able to wiggle out from under this, the damage will be done....because even the denials of financial impropriety bring attention to the fact that he was cheating on his wife....his second wife that is.
    Yawn....
    If you're all that fired-up on ethics issues, post a little on the Clintons eh?
    Just to be fair & unbiased...nudge, nudge - wink, wink...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    If you're all that fired-up on ethics issues, post a little on the Clintons eh? Just to be fair & unbiased
    i'll number the points of my response so you can then respond in kind...it'll help you clear up your growing reputation as a ducker/dodger.


    1. your seemingly default response of "what about the clintons?" doesn't address my post----in the same way that it doesn't on all the other threads on which you post, "what about the clintons".

    2. clinton left office 7 years ago----if you want to go back to past decades, let's talk about the corruption in the reagan and nixon administrations----and after 4 years of a republican president, republican controlled house, republican controlled senate, and conservative supreme court.....why haven't there been any charges brought against clinton if there were so many ethics violations?. and that's not even taking into account the the starr investigation and report....besides lying about a blowjob, what else was there? and how about all the whitewater nonsense? what came of that? and "travel gate"? get a grip.

    3. i've made my position clear that i don't support hillary's candidacy---and you're well aware of that. IMO she's the last thing the country needs...ok, the second to last thing---after whichever repug gets the nomination. and besides, there's already at least two threads focused on her....if you've got something to add, put it there. in case you missed the title of this thread, it's "rudy giuliani". are you catching on boy?

    4. giuliani is touring the country on two positions....."noun, verb, 9/11" and "i'm a straight shooter". well, as far as i'm concerned (and i'm going to guess the evangelical crowd as well), using tax dollars to have cops drive around you mistress isn't an admirable quality in a presidential candidate who calls himself a 'straight shooter'.

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    rudy's got some explaining to do... his mistress was getting chauffeured around NYC in police cars earlier than we've been told......

    Judith Nathan got taxpayer-funded chauffeur services from the NYPD earlier than previously disclosed - even before her affair with then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani was revealed, witnesses and sources tell the Daily News.


    "It went on for months before the affair was public," said Lee Degenstein, 52, a retired Smith Barney vice president who formerly lived at 200 E. 94th St., Nathan's old building.


    "It was going on longer than anybody thought," added Degenstein, who, along with others in the neighborhood, said they often saw Nathan hopping into unmarked NYPD cars in early 2000, before the affair was revealed that May.
    and here's a time line for those of you scoring at home....
    Driving Miss Judi

    1999
    Summer - Then Mayor Rudy Giuliani uses his mayoral detail to spend secret weekends at Judith Nathan’s Southampton condo.


    2000
    May 3 - Giuliani admits his relationship with Nathan; a week later, he announces on TV he is separating from his wife, Donna Hanover.


    December - Several days after Christmas, Judith Nathan reports to the NYPD that a man made threatening comments to her on the street near her upper East Side apartment.


    2001
    Jan. 12 - Then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik publicly confirms Nathan began receiving police protection in December following the threat.

    2007
    Nov. 28 - Records emerge showing that Giuliani’s secret trysts in the Hamptons cost taxpayers thousands of dollars for police protection.


    Thursday - Aides to now-presidential hopeful Giuliani concede Nathan received “sporadic” protection prior to the time that Kerik said she did.
    again, i don't really care about the corruption aspect of this story (i'm not a NYC taxpayer).....it's the hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i've made my position clear that i don't support hillary's candidacy
    Who do you support, then?

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    a bit late on the reply, but i was behind either edwards or obama...probably leaning towards edwards.

    anyway, what are the chances that mccain picks rudy? i would think that they're pretty good...

    he gets good numbers in national polls
    he'll be a good attack dog in the late summer early fall
    great name recognition.

    what do you think of rudy's chances at the VP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    a bit late on the reply, but i was behind either edwards or obama...probably leaning towards edwards.

    anyway, what are the chances that mccain picks rudy? i would think that they're pretty good...

    he gets good numbers in national polls
    he'll be a good attack dog in the late summer early fall
    great name recognition.

    what do you think of rudy's chances at the VP?
    I think Rudy's chances for VP, or very low.

    He's not "conservative" enough and McCain apparently is loathed by the so-called "conservative."

    Therefore, McCain will pick a conservative as a VP, after a careful vetting, and polling process.

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    Glad I found this thread. He definitely deserves a thread of his own.
    Giuliani says Truth is not truth.

    WTF. The guys a nutjob.
    Love the final staement from Todd and Giulianis reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    He is a wanker. NYC would have been doing fine even without him.
    (of Gulliani) From eleven years ago. Can't fault the poster for that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Can't fault the poster for that comment.
    That poster is currently known as dragonfly aka buttplug aka butters.

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    But he was right 11 years ago.

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    Probably the last time.

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    Truth isn't truth guys. Enough with the bickering. Pay attention.

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