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    I’ll edit this post later today (with two different figures of 72% and 64% Yes votes) when the true numbers (how many surveys have been returned) come in from The Australian Bureau of Statistics: https://marriagesurvey.abs.gov.au/media-releases

    Until then (using the rough estimates below),……

    More than 12 million Australians have already participated in the Turnbull government's same-sex marriage postal survey, new polling suggests.

    With a month still to run until the survey closes, the polling conducted for The Equality Campaign finds a massive 77 per cent of the nation's 16 million enrolled voters have returned their forms.: Three quarters of voters have participated in marriage survey

    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Among those who have already voted, 72% voted yes compared with 26% who voted no.

    The results of the poll, if replicated in the survey, would deliver a decisive win for marriage equality, although advocates have warned campaign efforts must be sustained until the 7 November deadline for votes to be received by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.: https://www.theguardian.com/australi...essential-poll
    Using 72% as Yes and 28% as voting No (I used 28% and not the 26% for the No vote early responses)

    To date:
    • 8,640,000 (Yes)
    • 3,360,000 (No)

    Missing surveys: 4,000,000

    The rest of the math you can work out yourself.

    Congrats Australia




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    Edit - numbers have been posted at The Australian Bureau of Statistics

    3 October 2017 - ABS releases first weekly estimate of Australian Marriage Law Postal Surveys received

    As of Friday, 29 September 2017, the ABS estimates it has received 9.2 million (57.5 per cent) survey forms.: https://marriagesurvey.abs.gov.au/news-alerts

    Using the figures from the Guardian (72% Yes/28% No): https://www.theguardian.com/australi...essential-poll

    To date:
    • 6,624,000 (Yes)
    • 2,576,000 (No)

    Missing ballots (16 million forms sent): 6,800,000

    Using the figures from Sky News ReachTEL poll (64% Yes/36% No - although ReachTEL reported only 16% stated No): Three quarters of voters have participated in marriage survey

    To date:
    • 5,888,000 (Yes)
    • 3,312,000 (No)

    Missing ballots (16 million forms sent): 6,800,000

    Steep hill to climb for the No vote to succeed

    _________

    Just three weeks into a nine-week voting period, 57.5 per cent of eligible voters have already cast their vote.

    This is well beyond expectations of both sides for this stage of the campaign and suggest that by November 15, when the survey results are published, more than 70 per cent of those eligible will have had their say.

    But even at 57.5 per cent, as it was by last Friday, the postal survey has secured its legitimacy.

    It is already higher than proportion of Americans who voted in last year's presidential election (55.5 per cent).

    And it is already within striking distance of the 60.5 per cent turnout achieved in last year's Irish referendum to legalise gay marriage.

    Data from Australia's longest-running lifestyle survey shows an overwhelming tide of support toward the rights of same-sex couples within Australian society.

    By comparison, 68.7 per cent of Brits turned out for June's general election, and 74.5 per cent in the second round of the French presidential election.

    It turns out that Australians have embraced an unorthodox exercise in democracy.

    The higher-than-expected turnout tells us a few things.

    Firstly, the various get-out-to-vote campaigns have worked.

    Secondly, it suggests that the majority of people have well and truly made up their minds on this issue and have not had the need for a two-month debate to guide them.

    If it is a majority Yes vote, the Prime Minister will swiftly move to amend the Marriage Act before Christmas, glad to remove the rainbow distraction from his Government.: Postal survey's higher-than-expected turnout secures legitimacy
    Last edited by S Landreth; 03-10-2017 at 04:36 PM.
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    Still waiting for the official result, but it looks good at the moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth

    That knot is very apropos.

    Haha take that homosexuals of Australia! Looks like you get to suffer through marriage along with everyone else!


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    ^

    That's spot on Aunty,

    The Faggotry will be jumping into the fire same as all the other Australians married to fat slappers.

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    This is my favourite thread on TeakDoor!

    If this vote gets up down under then I want to marry S Landreth!

    Especially if he agrees to shell out for some of them spanky 5* hotel rooms he is always flaunting to us scum to show me a good time on our honeymoon!


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    ^...desperately lame...

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    ...snowflakes are people, too:

    Kiwis are showing the love for an ad that challenges how we use the word 'gay'

    Rainbow Youth has launched its first national ad campaign, starting small by addressing LGBTIQ microaggressions.
    The TV ad promotes being a "better ally of the LGBTIQ community" by calling out people who use the word "gay" when they mean "deeply disappointing".
    "We chose to address something small that contributes to much larger issues - homophobia, biphobia and transphobia," the organisation said on its Facebook page.

    Rainbow Youth's ad is on television as well as online and on the radio.


    The ad shows a farmer chastising a colleague who says "gay" after dropping his pie.
    "Actually Nigel, that's not gay at all," the farmer says. "It's deeply disappointing, but it's not gay."
    "Eh?" asks Nigel.
    "Unless that pie is a man who loves another man, it's not gay."
    At this point another worker chimes in: "Or a woman who loves another woman."
    The ad ends with the tagline: "If it's not gay, it's not gay."
    The clip on Facebook has been viewed more than 220,000 times and Rainbow Youth said it had reached more than half a million people.


    Executive director Frances Arns said she had been overwhelmed by the positive public response.
    She said they wanted to address the importance of inclusive language, as it's something that's often overlooked.
    "The use of identity-affirming, inclusive language is an important step in making different spaces and environments safe. In this case the focus is on the word gay, an important word within the rainbow community that people use to express their identity and sexuality. It's a positive and empowering term.
    "Sadly, it is commonly used as a pejorative, to describe something negatively. This perpetuates homophobia, and can be especially challenging for young people as they're developing their identity."
    Rainbow Youth is a charitable organisation dedicated to helping young queer and gender diverse people, as well as their wider communities.
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    Kiwis: Officially More Civilized Than Australians (better accent too).


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    agree: the world needs more Kiwis...

    ...still can't differentiate the accents though

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat
    ...still can't differentiate the accents though
    You utter bastard!*









    *Uttered in the dulcet and musical tones of a Kiwi accent, in an Australian one it’s a lot more nasally and like fingers down a chalkboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Uttered in the dulcet and musical tones of a Kiwi accent, in an Australian one it’s a lot more nasally and like fingers down a chalkboard.
    ...I might add that native strine as uttered by Ozzie actors during Hollywood interviews is an utter Auschwitz of painful vowel sadism and brutal consonant assaults on a par with lower Appalachia or Scotland...

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    Truth be told the Kiwi accent is a bit...well, fucking terrible.

    I used to get a bit of kinda reverse cultural cringe listening to it after I'd been away for a while - particularly the female version:



    Apparently I sound more like a Zimbabwean / South African so that's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    better accent too.
    I think you mean 'bitter accint'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Kiwis: Officially More Civilized Than Australians (better accent too).

    Six

    Six

    Six

    ... Most likely, only the KIWI's and Aussies would understand that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    I think you mean 'bitter accint'.
    Well played, sir... Well played!

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD
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    I read that in 'Strayan:

    Sex

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    (better accent too)


    The Kiwi accent is one of the reasons why I could never live in Kiwiland!

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Truth be told the Kiwi accent is a bit...well, fucking terrible.


    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Kiwis are showing the love for an ad that challenges how we use the word 'gay'
    That is not the way language works. You cannot attach euphemisms to words in the hope that the positive associations will somehow permeate the referent you are trying to freshen up by some kind of linguistic osmosis!

    The word 'gay' will forever be a humorous insult now.

    Co-opt as many other words as you like but their fate is sealed the moment you do.

    Just accept it as part of the price of a recent more congenial relationship with the rest of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    That is not the way language works. You cannot attach euphemisms to words in the hope that the positive associations will somehow permeate the referent you are trying to freshen up by some kind of linguistic osmosis!
    Actually that's exactly how language works. "Nigga" in black communities was a take-back and de-powerment of the pejorative 'nigger', "nerd" used to be a biting playground insult and now with the advent of tech and the internet is the new 'cool'.

    So you've just been pwned... as the kids used to say, 5 mins ago when that was still a thing.

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    Nigga is an interesting example of a related lingustic phenomenon.

    An oppressed minority co-opts a derogation and uses it as a shared 'chip on the shoulder' term of group-membership respect within the group.

    The phenomenon is inversely related to the demise of 'gay' in that the positive feelings that black group members have for each other permeates the derogation 'nigga' when used within the group context (also note the hugely significant modified spelling vs nigger) and the word takes on a positive aspect (but only when used in that specific in-group context).

    So it is again an example of meaning infiltrating words rather than words infiltrating meaning which is what I was saying originally.

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    The brothers outback thought the vote was about making it compulsory to marry another bloke so they burnt all their forms in disgust!!



    SSM: Same-sex marriage survey forms burned after misunderstanding in Arnhem land


    Residents of a remote Arnhem land community have destroyed about 50 same-sex marriage surveys in a fire, because they misunderstood the question.

    Australian Bureau of Statistics deputy statistician Jonathan Palmer told the ABC a group of people in Ramingining, 560 kilometres east of Darwin, had believed the survey was asking whether or not a man should be "compelled" to marry another man.
    Key dates in SSM postal survey:

    August 24 — the final day to register with the AEC if you want to take part in the survey
    September 12 — survey forms start being sent out
    September 25 — all forms are expected to have been sent
    October 27 — forms are strongly encouraged to be returned by this date
    November 7 — the final deadline to return surveys
    November 15 — results are released at 11:30am

    In reaction to the misunderstanding, Mr Palmer said the residents burned their forms, and the incident was brought to the attention of the ABS by a member of the community.

    Mr Palmer said ABS staff then contacted the residents to explain what the survey was asking, and successfully re-issued the forms.

    Many people in remote Aboriginal communities do not have English as a first language, and the ABS has deployed teams of field officers to about 200 communities to assist with the returning of surveys.

    "Our people are out there for between one to three days, and I think there's plenty of time for them to have the length of conversation required," Mr Palmer said.

    ABS staff do not have interpreters with them when they visit remote regions, instead relying on audio recordings of survey explanations in about 14 Aboriginal languages.

    "I'm very satisfied that we've got a pretty comprehensive program to get out and give as many people as possible a say in this matter," Mr Palmer said.

    "I think our estimate of 9.2 million forms received as of last Friday shows there's been very strong community interest in this.
    We asked if you had any trouble understanding the question on the same-sex marriage survey form. Read the discussion.

    Results won't shed light on areas with poor participation

    When the results of the same-sex marriage survey are released, Australians will not know exactly which remote parts of the country did not participate.
    How Australians think about same-sex marriage, mapped

    Polling consistently shows most voters support same-sex marriage — but how do views vary across the country?

    The smallest breakdown of the survey's results will be by federal electorate.

    For the seat of Lingiari, which takes up the entire Northern Territory except for Darwin, the data won't show which remote communities had poor participation.

    Mr Palmer said the survey results would be detailed enough for most people.

    "What you'll see for every electorate is not only the results for that electorate, but you'll also get how many people participated and the breakdown of those by both their age group and their gender," Mr Palmer said.

    "That information will give people the ability to have their own informed view on what reliance they can place on the statistics."

    SSM: Same-sex marriage survey forms burned after misunderstanding in Arnhem land - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    I wonder if any of these teams used an Aboriginal translation to explain the intricacies of the poll to Looper?

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    Calculator: What will the same-sex marriage result be?

    It's not something that I can replicate to the Forum, but click the link and see how the vote may proceed.

    Same-sex marriage calculator: What will the result be? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    It's a foregone conclusion David. Just like Americans getting shot and a Trump presidency.

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    I saw this interview last night and thought it was touching and well handled.

    A Father who will be voting NO to the SSM question and his Gay son discussing what happens
    about marriage ...

    Australians are involved in a national debate about whether same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

    So are Harold and Russell — but their conversation is, well, a bit more personal.

    Now, they’ve agreed to sit down and hear each other out.


    Click this ... Same-sex marriage: A gay man and his father sit down to debate SSM - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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