Same sex marriage

**tomcat** · 23-07-2018, 08:37 AM

...^I think we can include China and North Korea as well...socialist paradise is always defeated by human desires...

**Looper** · 23-07-2018, 10:24 AM

On this the occasion of the opening of the 100th page of the gay marriage thread by TC I would like to congratulate Landreth on the greatest thread in the history of teakdoor!!

God bless this thread and all who post in her!

**tomcat** · 23-07-2018, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Looper

Mods bless this thread and most who post here!

...edited for less offensive sentiment...

**Cujo** · 23-07-2018, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by tomcat

...edited for less offensive sentiment...

How is "god bless......." 'offensive'?

**Maanaam** · 23-07-2018, 12:43 PM

I'll hold your beer, Tom.
Sorry, prosecco.

**tomcat** · 23-07-2018, 01:33 PM

...^555...

**S Landreth** · 11-08-2018, 07:58 PM

Costa Rica’s Supreme Court Rules Against Same-Sex Marriage Ban - President Carlos Alvarado welcomed the ruling, and said, “Our commitment to full equality remains intact.”

Costa Rica’s top court has ruled that a ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, a decision seen as a win for gay rights activists and welcomed by the country’s new president.

The Supreme Court gave lawmakers up to 18 months to legalize gay marriage, which has long been opposed by the Roman Catholic Church and evangelical groups in the Central American nation.

President Carlos Alvarado, who came to power earlier this year on a pro-gay rights platform, has publicly advocated same-sex marriage and vowed to implement the ruling.

“Our commitment to full equality remains intact,” he tweeted on Thursday. “We will continue to boost actions that guarantee no person will face discrimination for their sexual orientation or gender identity.”: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0bdd062098d5b - Costa Rica Supreme Court Rules Against Same-Sex Marriage Ban | Time - https://twitter.com/CarlosAlvQ/statu...71452642582528

**tomcat** · 11-08-2018, 10:04 PM

...better late than never...

**tomcat** · 06-09-2018, 03:30 PM

...another victory over Brit colonialism...decades after the fact:

India's top court decriminalizes gay sex in landmark ruling

By Manveena Suri, CNN
Updated 0818 GMT (1618 HKT) September 6, 2018

India's top court decriminalizes gay sex

New Delhi (CNN)India's Supreme Court has struck down a colonial-era law criminalizing consensual gay sex, overturning more than 150 years of anti-LGBT legislation.

The court announced the landmark verdict in Delhi on Thursday morning, as jubilant crowds cheered and rights activists hugged one another, overcome with emotion.
Section 377, an archaic law imposed during British rule that penalized intercourse "against the order of nature," had carried a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
The decision to repeal the law comes as a major victory for India's LGBT activists and supporters after years of determined struggle.

Rituparna Borah was among those gathered outside the court. She told CNN that while she had anticipated a positive outcome, the result still came as a shock.
"It's an emotional day for me. It's a mix of feelings, it's been a long fight," said Borah. "There was not enough media or society support earlier but we have it now. People will not be seen as criminals anymore."
Though the law was rarely enforced in full, lawyers argued that it helped perpetuate a culture of fear and repression within the LGBT community.
A change in legislation will "create a space of freedom where you can start expecting justice," Danish Sheikh, a law professor at Jindal Global Law School and LGBT advocate, told CNN.

An Indian LGBT activist holds a placard during a demonstration against the Supreme Court's reinstatement of Section 377, in Bangalore on January 28, 2014.

Long battle

Thursday's historic ruling is the culmination of a lengthy and often fraught legal battle for equality in a country where homosexuality remains taboo.
In 2009, the Delhi High Court ruled that the ban on consensual gay sex violated fundamental rights. The decision, which only applied to the Delhi region, was quickly overruled by the Supreme Court in 2013, following a petition launched by a loose coalition of Christian, Hindu and Muslim groups.
In its 2013 ruling, the Supreme Court said only a "minuscule fraction of the country's population constitute lesbians, gays, bisexuals or transgenders" and it was therefore "legally unsustainable" to repeal the act.
During the the latest hearings lawyers representing more than a dozen gay and lesbian Indians questioned the constitutional basis of that earlier ruling.

LGBT Indians gear up for possible U-turn on anti-gay laws

"It was a wrong judgment. It was not legal and it was based wrongly on the tenets of the constitution," said Colin Gonsalves, one of the lawyers representing the the current group of petitioners.
That case was strengthened last year, when the Supreme Court moved to uphold the constitutional right to privacy.
The ruling, which declared sexual orientation to be an "essential attribute of privacy" helped galvanize campaigners.
"Last year's ruling eviscerated the 2013 judgment," said Gonsalves. "There is no issue now. There is not much left to argue," he added.
Opposition to moves to overturn Section 377 had rested predominately on religious and moral objections. In an interview earlier this year, lawmaker Subramanian Swamy, a prominent member of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), described the legalization of gay sex as a "danger to national security" and "against Hindutva."
Hinduism has traditionally maintained a flexible, non-prescriptive view of sexuality. However, in recent years hardline Hindu groups have taken a more conservative approach.
In the run up to the judgment, the BJP refrained from taking a public stand, deferring instead to the court.

LGBT are flown during a gay pride parade in Chennai on June 24, 2018.

Dehumanizing colonial law

Out of the estimated 48 former British colonies that criminalize homosexuality, 30 still have laws based on the original colonial anti-LGBT legislation, according to Lucas Mendos, co-author of the 2017 International LGBTI Association "State-Sponsored Homophobia" report.
In the case of India, the original British law had remained in place more or less unchanged.
According to India's National Record Bureau, more than 2,100 cases were registered under the law in 2016. India did not maintain a separate database of prosecution under section 377 until 2014.
Arif Jafar, one of the current group of petitioners whose case the Supreme Court ruled on, was arrested in 2001 under Section 377 and spent 49 days in jail.
Jafar now runs an informal support group in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. The group, named "Trust," provides counseling, support and sexual health services to gay and transgender persons.
In his petition, Jafar described the experience as dehumanizing and a violation of his fundamental rights. He also alleged that he was beaten and humiliated every day because of his sexuality.
Campaigners in India pointed out that the law didn't only trap members of the LGBT community in the closet, it also invited other forms of discrimination, providing a cover for blackmail and harassment.

**Looper** · 25-11-2018, 02:27 AM

Taiwan voters reject same-sex marriage in referendum

Taiwan has rejected same-sex marriages, in a blow to the island's reputation as a rights trailblazer in Asia.

The results in referendums come despite a high court ruling in March 2017 in favour of such unions.

The court also gave parliament two years to amend laws or pass new ones. It is unclear how Saturday's voting will affect legislation.

Meanwhile, President Tsai Ing-wen quit as leader of Taiwan's governing party after defeats in local elections.

Her pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is set to lose more than half of the 13 cities and counties it won in 2014, Taiwanese media report.

Taiwan's relations with China have deteriorated since Ms Tsai came to power in 2016.

Beijing has refused to deal with her because she does not recognise an agreement reached between the two sides in 1992 that both sides are part of one China.

What's behind the China-Taiwan divide?
Taiwan profile

What were voters asked about same-sex marriage?

The marriage issue was actually the subject of three separate referendums on Saturday, which were put forward by rival camps.

Conservative groups asked whether the legislation - defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman in Taiwan's Civil Code - should remain unchanged, while LGBT activists demanded equal marriage rights.

Initial results suggest the conservatives received overwhelming support, while gay rights activists failed.

The government earlier said Saturday's referendums would not affect it bringing in the changes required by the court ruling. The authorities are now expected to pass a special law, without amending the Civil Code.

But campaigners fear the eventual legislation will be weaker.

One possible outcome could be that gay couples are given legal protection - but not allowed to get married, correspondents say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46329877

**Looper** · 19-05-2019, 01:19 AM

Taiwan gay marriage: Parliament legalises same-sex unions

Taiwan's parliament has become the first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage following a vote on Friday.

In 2017, the island's constitutional court ruled that same-sex couples had the right to legally marry.

Parliament was given a two-year deadline and was required to pass the changes by 24 May.

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Lawmakers debated three different bills to legalise same-sex unions and the government's bill, the most progressive of the three, was passed.

Thousands of gay rights supporters gathered in the rain outside the parliament building in the capital, Taipei, to await the landmark ruling.

There were shouts of joy and some tearful embraces as the result was announced.

However, conservative opponents were angered by the vote.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48305708

Good news for the batty-burglers and good news for china-rilers.

The CCP will be eyeing this move with discomfort and updating their censored website list as we celebrate.

**tomcat** · 19-05-2019, 05:42 AM

...^one less brick in the wall...

**terry57** · 19-05-2019, 09:05 AM

Dont know why the faggotry are still discriminated against when it cums to puttin a ring on it. ????

Once they get sick of each other their relationships will crash and burn exactly the same as the straight fukers do.

Maybe more than the straights simply because the faggotry are so highly strung and mentally confused about everything.

Their main focus is bumming each other so let em get on with it and worry about the divorce later.

Ya know its gunna happen eh.

**Maanaam** · 19-05-2019, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by terry57

the faggotry are so highly strung and mentally confused about everything.

Their main focus is bumming each other so let em get on with it and worry about the divorce later.

Nice of you to support gay marriage.

**Switch** · 19-05-2019, 12:04 PM

I’m sure it’s highly provocative toward the mainland Chinese, who seek to integrate Taiwan back into the empire.

I’m equally sure the provocation was deliberate., and designed to add fuel to the stand off.

**David48atTD** · 19-05-2019, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Looper

Taiwan gay marriage: Parliament legalises same-sex unions

Same sex unions, legal equivalent to marriage ... SURE.

Same sex marriage ... NO ... not on my watch.

**Maanaam** · 19-05-2019, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Same sex unions, legal equivalent to marriage ... SURE.

Same sex marriage ... NO ... not on my watch.

What's in a name, that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Call the certificate a marriage cert or a civil union cert, what difference does it make?
I really can't understand how people can get so uptight about calling the legal union between two people a marriage if it's between two consenting adults legally allowed to cohabit and with all the legal rights and liabilities, if that union is not between a man and a woman.

Really dumb and kneejerk. Probably hiding homophobia.

**David48atTD** · 19-05-2019, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What's in a name, that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Call the certificate a marriage cert or a civil union cert, what difference does it make?
I really can't understand how people can get so uptight about calling the legal union between two people a marriage if it's between two consenting adults legally allowed to cohabit and with all the legal rights and liabilities, if that union is not between a man and a woman.

Really dumb and kneejerk. Probably hiding homophobia.

'Marriage' is between a Woman and a Man.

So David48 is 'dumb', a 'jerk' and a 'closet homophobic'

... humm ... interesting

**Maanaam** · 19-05-2019, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

'Marriage' is between a Woman and a Man.

So David48 is 'dumb', a 'jerk' and a 'closet homophobic'

... humm ... interesting

I never called you a jerk, but it seems your reaction is kneejerk.
Yes, it is dumb, and probably hiding some homophobia.
Why do you get to define what marriage is and who can and who can not be married?
What difference to you does it make? I take it that you're not coming from a religious POV?
It makes no difference to your life whatsoever, so to get up in arms about it is...dumb.

Here's a question to ponder: Take this Taiwanese decision to legalise marriage between two same sex people. The Taiwanese word for "marriage" may have completely different connotations (and certainly not Christian connotations) than the English word "marriage", yet "marriage" is the most convenient translation. Does that make Taiwanese gay marriage, if said in Taiwanese, any more acceptable than when it is translated into English? You're getting upset about the use of a word, the meaning for which is not set in stone.
Come to that, why aren't you complaining about use of the word "gay" and how it's almost impossible to use the word now to mean joyful or happy?

"They're not gay!!!! Gay means joyful and happy!!!" Eh?

**terry57** · 19-05-2019, 05:26 PM

At my local Woolworths shopping centre a Filipino family works there. Mum has been there for years and now her 2 children work part time whilst attending University.

Mum is very hot for her age and the daughter is a right fookin horn cracker who i spank orf to in the local bogs.

The son on the other hand is a mincing screaming master of faggotry who in my opinion would blow anyone for free as long as they have a cock on em.?????? Fook.

Now that said i really like the little fuker as does everyone who knows him. A genuine all round polite respectful genuine fòkin good guy who unfortunatly loves to suck the Man goo out of hairy backed smelly arsed men .

He should be in the shitter wanking orf to thoughts of his sexy arsed beautiful sister but instead is wankin hard over pictures of Tomcat. ????

Sad but true fukers, way shit goes down eh.

Cheers .

**NamPikToot** · 19-05-2019, 05:37 PM

Kin El Tez, its almost as if you approve, you'll be camping with blokes next in your pop up.

**tomcat** · 19-05-2019, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

So David48 is 'dumb', a 'jerk' and a 'closet homophobic' ... humm ... interesting

...nah...just ordinary...

**terry57** · 19-05-2019, 06:18 PM

^^

Yer well i would not give him one in the arse but im not gunna hate on the poor little bent twisted fuker simply because he wants to blow tomcats trumpet.

Thats not skittles Bra and im certainly not a nasty kunto eh.

**David48atTD** · 20-05-2019, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by tomcat

...nah...just ordinary...

I prefer the term ... conventional

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 20-05-2019, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

'Marriage' is between a Woman and a Man.

So David48 is 'dumb', a 'jerk' and a 'closet homophobic'

... humm ... interesting

I don't think it is homophobic, that IMO is also a knee jerk reaction. IMO it is a vestige of a christian socialization.
And "mariedge" is not a union between a man and a woman , it was in simpler times dominated by despots , religious or otherwise who in their ignorance were homophobic.
But we are not ignorant any more , are we? at least on this subject.
Every Union is a civil Union, but we are still stuck in outdated terms such as "Marriage" and to call it anything less than mariedge is to diminish its importance in some people's minds .
everyone should be able to enter in to a civil union "mariedge" . Heterosexuals, homosexuals and asexual relationships , that want to spend their lives together and enjoys same protections under the law.
Why should two buddies that don't have a sexual relationship but a strong friendship, a philadelphia , not be able to live together if they so desired, pool their resources,be able to share property, look after eachother, and in the end inherited each other??

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