Thread: obama's 2012 campaign

^Building all kinds of infrastructure, much of it a complete waste. American contractors get paid quite a bit, and park the money offshore. Total loss.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Has everyone forgotton the disastrous Bush years already??? Iraq and Afghanistan were Bushes fok ups not Obamas. Bush left America bankrupt with his pointless warmongering, whoever had the misfortune to follow him was going to be in an impossible position but at least Obama has improved the rest of the worlds opinion of America. I think the main problem with Americans though is that they still haven't accepted that they are in decline and the good times they have enjoyed in the past won't be seen again. Doesn't really matter who wins the presedential election as won't alter the fact that the US is foked and the worst is still yet to come for the average Americans living standards.

As much as it's been popular and trendy to join in with the blame Bush syndrome crowd, if one were to adhere to some semblance of objectivity he might observe how GWB took office in 2001 after the Clinton's eight years of gutting national security, the military and failing to take out OBL when he (Bill) had the chance.

Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan not Obama or Clinton, both conflicts were ill thought out without an exit strategy and have been a total disaster serving no purpose. What is the total cost of these 2 pointless wars??? Now just think if all that money hadn't been wasted on warmongering how much better off the average American would be. OBL won, he ruined America both financially and has taken away a lot of your freedoms by being the excuse for the number of laws that have been passed.

Sad how objectivity is so illusive for those suffering from blame Bush syndrome.
Do you also think 9/11 was an inside job?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Has everyone forgotton the disastrous Bush years already??? Iraq and Afghanistan were Bushes fok ups not Obamas. Bush left America bankrupt with his pointless warmongering, whoever had the misfortune to follow him was going to be in an impossible position but at least Obama has improved the rest of the worlds opinion of America. I think the main problem with Americans though is that they still haven't accepted that they are in decline and the good times they have enjoyed in the past won't be seen again. Doesn't really matter who wins the presedential election as won't alter the fact that the US is foked and the worst is still yet to come for the average Americans living standards.

As much as it's been popular and trendy to join in with the blame Bush syndrome crowd, if one were to adhere to some semblance of objectivity he might observe how GWB took office in 2001 after the Clinton's eight years of gutting national security, the military and failing to take out OBL when he (Bill) had the chance.

Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan not Obama or Clinton, both conflicts were ill thought out without an exit strategy and have been a total disaster serving no purpose. What is the total cost of these 2 pointless wars??? Now just think if all that money hadn't been wasted on warmongering how much better off the average American would be. OBL won, he ruined America both financially and has taken away a lot of your freedoms by being the excuse for the number of laws that have been passed.

Sad how objectivity is so illusive for those suffering from blame Bush syndrome.
Do you also think 9/11 was an inside job?

??? Who else is there to blame, he gave the order to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq without thinking things through, and what has been achieved, basically fok all when you consider the cost, as i said OBL has won, he's hit Americans where it hurts most, in your pockets and your civil liberties. Spin it how like with your left/right pointless arguements but those are the facts.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You obviously were unaware of the universal hatred for Bush then

Better to be hated and respected for power than to be laughed at. It's pretty bad when even a Canadian provincial premier lambasts obama for the crappy relations between Can-US:

Premier Brad Wall has criticized U.S. President Barack Obama, saying recent American economic and energy policies are not good for Canada.
“People think in this country, perhaps they do, that the Obama administration is good for Canada,” Wall told reporters Monday...The facts say something else.”
...
“When there is a recession, the sabres of protectionism start rattling and that’s what we’ve seen stateside,” Wall told reporters after the speech.

Wall’s comments come weeks after an article in Foreign Affairs...declared the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and Canada has sunk to its worst level in decades.

Wall criticizes Obama

Yep, genuflect to your enemies and spit at your allies, obama. This is what you get.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

??? Who else is there to blame,

No one else I reckon, if your world view began in January 2001!

Obama is getting more out of his "macacca moment" than Romney is.

Seems every business Romney has chosen to claim has not received help, actually has. The Gilcrest man in the Romney ads has had millions of dollars in government contracts. The businesses in California Romney visited had gained from government contracts and the garage owner in Roxbury had a government loan to start his business.

Americans aren't so dumb they can't see these people did have help.

Obama wins.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by buriramboy

??? Who else is there to blame,

No one else I reckon, if your world view began in January 2001!

Thanks for the constructive reply , what America really needs is at least 2 or 3 more mainstream political parties who can each gain a decent number of seats in both your houses, might help in going some way to stop you all being so polarised thus preventing you from actually being able to see and accept what is actually going on.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Better to be hated and respected for power than to be laughed at.

Bush wasn't respected, he was ridiculed and reviled.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Premier Brad Wall has criticized U.S. President Barack Obama, saying recent American economic and energy policies are not good for Canada

You think POTUS should make policy decisions based on what is good for Canada? Should the Canadian PM make decisions based on what is good for the USA?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Better to be hated and respected for power than to be laughed at.

Bush wasn't respected, he was ridiculed and reviled.

Heh...by whom? A small segment of the population mired in the far-left fever swamps?

BTW, his tax cuts will, no doubt, be extended for the obvious reasons...

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by buriramboy

??? Who else is there to blame,

No one else I reckon, if your world view began in January 2001!

Thanks for the constructive reply , what America really needs is at least 2 or 3 more mainstream political parties who can each gain a decent number of seats in both your houses, might help in going some way to stop you all being so polarised thus preventing you from actually being able to see and accept what is actually going on.

That would be more akin to a new tower of Babel.
Maybe actually a good idea seeing how the inability to get anything done might precipitate the total colapse of the federal government. And the rebuild might be smaller and more manageable.
Or we might see state governments come to predominance and reject the federal scam altogether.
But you're right the current two party federal scam is bloated and broken.

I love this. Obama camp try to walk back the "you didn't make that" remark. GOP on attack, for good reason. LMFAO.

Originally Posted by misskit

Obama is getting more out of his "macacca moment" than Romney is.

Seems every business Romney has chosen to claim has not received help, actually has. The Gilcrest man in the Romney ads has had millions of dollars in government contracts. The businesses in California Romney visited had gained from government contracts and the garage owner in Roxbury had a government loan to start his business.

Americans aren't so dumb they can't see these people did have help.

Obama wins.

Don't think so Misskit

"The More Context You Get, The Worse It Sounds" - YouTube

Has Obama been Swiftquoted?

^
Just ideological/political debate is all, Harry...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And, he’s still trying to distance himself from his “you didn’t build this” speech from Roanoke.

he's not trying to distance himself....he's trying to illustrate how the romney campaign took his comments out of context and is running misleading ads...and EVERYBODY who follows politics knows this to be the case.

i don't particularly blame romney for trying to run with this....but there is nothing in the president's remarks that need to be walked back.

here is the actual quote....in context.




and here's romney saying essentially the same thing in 2002

It's a shame that every four years, the world's (supposedly) greatest superpower is reduced to a couple of blokes taking the piss out of each other all over national (and international) television with their supporters brainlessly cheering them on.

And a shedload of "commentators" dissecting every comment and piling on every bit of positive or negative spin they can dredge up.

And given their dependency on their paymasters, it really is no better an advert for democracy than Iran's "Let's just check if you'll do what we want before we let you stand for election" version. Oh hang on. They're exactly the same, except we know who really runs Iran.

^ Completely agree Harry. It's a charade. Honestly, a bit embarrassing.

As for the polls with 13 weeks to go this may mean something, or it may not. As we know, it's all up to the Electoral College.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Friday, July 27, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting 49% of the vote, while President Obama earns support from 44%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

The numbers are similar to the 49% to 43% advantage Romney enjoys on the question of who is trusted more to handle the economy.

Entire: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Originally Posted by barbaro

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Friday, July 27, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com

^ Thanks for catching that Landreth.

Edit in:

Landreth.

That link you post above is from November, 2010

November 4, 2010, 10:41 PM

you really hit the trifecta of irrelevance, barabaro.

the poll you cite is:

a national poll
a daily tracking poll
a rasmussen poll


IOW, it's essentially worthless for determining who is going to win the election.

I reckon when Romney is in the debates and foreign policy comes up, he's going to look a bigger chump than Sarah Palin.

"Good afternoon, Mr., er, Leader".

Nice one!

Originally Posted by raycarey

you really hit the trifecta of irrelevance, barabaro.

the poll you cite is:

a national poll
a daily tracking poll
a rasmussen poll

IOW, it's essentially worthless for determining who is going to win the election.

Thanks for being candid, ray. You are correct.

A national poll is not good for prediction, but can it show some moment building?

As for Rassmussen, is their repuation that bad?

If so, I'll stick with real clear like usual.

Originally Posted by raycarey

you really hit the trifecta of irrelevance, barabaro.

the poll you cite is:

a national poll
a daily tracking poll
a rasmussen poll


IOW, it's essentially worthless for determining who is going to win the election.

Well then, how 'bout a Trifecta + one of relevance then, eh?

Barack Obama is the worst jobs president since the Great Depression.
Barack Obama owns the largest four deficits in history.
Barack Obama added $5 trillion to the US debt in just over three years – another record.
The GDP is sliding each quarter – this last quarter the GDP slid to 1.5%.