In theory yes, but has anyone ever won a case of discrimination for being white?
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In theory yes, but has anyone ever won a case of discrimination for being white?
I've seen a few reported in the media over the years but let's face it, despite what the Daily Mail and Fox like to tell their audience not getting absolutely everything your own way isn't discrimination.
So if you lose out on something--e.g. a job--then 99.9% of the time it's not going to be because you're being discriminated against on that basis it's going to be because of an issue with your application.
or references.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Yes, that too.
:D
I think it is possible to sue for anything in the West these days. Of course that does not mean you will win, get decent legal representation, an unstacked jury, or an impartial judge. And of course objective media commentary- fuggedaboutit. But 'justice' must be seen to be done.
Not with Judge Brown presiding.
I mean, the name should tell you all you need to know.
How could you not get a job because of references? Even if one has to be your most recent employer that you didn't get along with, surely the others would be picked for glowing reports?
I suppose it could be tough if one is a serial failure ... unable to hold down even an entry level admin job in one's fifties, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by armstrong
I can't imagine how else it could happen, for the reasons you state.
Well I'm sure some have tried,
I've been called a white cvnt at wonderful places unspoiled by tourism like Oodnadatta and Halls Creek by blacks more times than I can count, never bothered me or my work mates in the least. No idea why they blow up about being called black cvnts to be honest.
One would think so. But they’d need to be contactable, let’s say, for instance one of them was a Thai national, working in a university here. I doubt such a referee would even read an email from a British University...Quote:
Originally Posted by armstrong
Indeed.
I suppose a decent lawyer would be able to have the decision overturned on appeal on that case. Assuming, of course that one had decent counsel as opposed to representing themself...Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
Yes, there was a case a couple of years ago in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKW
Police force '''discriminated against white heterosexual male''' - BBC News
Police force 'discriminated against white heterosexual male'
22 February 2019
A police force which rejected a "well prepared" potential recruit because he is a white, heterosexual male has been found guilty of discrimination.
Matthew Furlong, 25, whose father is a detective inspector in Cheshire Police, applied to join the force in 2017. When he lost out to other candidates, his father lodged a complaint.
An employment tribunal ruled the force had used "positive action" to recruit people with different characteristics, but in a discriminatory way.
Mr Furlong, who studied particle physics and cosmology at Lancaster University, said he was told at the interview "it was refreshing to meet someone as well prepared as yourself" and that he "could not have done any more".
Employment lawyer Jennifer Ainscough said: "Matthew was denied his dream job simply because he was a white, heterosexual male.
The tribunal in Liverpool ruled Mr Furlong had been a victim of direct discrimination on the grounds of his sexual orientation, race and sex.
It ruled that while positive action can be used to boost diversity, it should only be applied to distinguish between candidates who were all equally well qualified for a role.
The force's claim it had seen 127 candidates who were equally suitable for the role of police constable was a "fallacy", the tribunal ruled, and imposing such an artificially low threshold - assigning candidates a pass or fail rather than any kind of score - was not a proportionate response to addressing the force's lack of diversity.
Having your dad complain to the authorities because you didn't get a job is so cringe.
There may be a case with Nasa soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKW
It's already been decided that the astronauts on their next lunar mission will include a 'person of colour' and a female. The astronauts have not yet been chosen. If it is shown that a better applicant was rejected because they are not a person of colour or a female, then that is a clear case of discrimination based on race and/or gender.
They might not win any case though, and instead may be branded a sexist racist.
I gave up giving references to potential employers yonks ago, because those referees all seemed to suggest that I was a total bastard, prone to frottering my female work colleagues, and habitually, licking my lips when watching YT videos about crash test dummies.....Quote:
Originally Posted by armstrong
Nowadays, I work for myself, and don't have to put up with pretentious questions at interviews, such as "what was the most challenging moment in your life?" etc etc.
any truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon43
I know. right?Quote:
Originally Posted by armstrong
I usually get my Mom to do it.
The very idea of affirmative actions plans, which are common in the western world, is discriminating in itself, insofar that it excludes a group, which, in this case, is white males. It may very well be true that white males hold the majority of privileged positions in society, at least in the past, but why should the children of a criminal pay for the criminal's crime? Aren't we going after the wrong individual(s)?
What happened - did someone knock your hood off?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKW
We are not going after the "wrong individuals" we are going after the ill gotten proceeds held by the right individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by elche
Instead of saying what not to do, why don't we say what to do.
Can you think of a better way to change the status quo?
What we are talking about here is rectifying a legacy of gross inequality, most of which, but not all, falls on the shoulders of women and people of colour. Affirmative actions plans unfairly treats white males, many of whom are poor too. The roots of the problem have a lot to do with our economic model, capitalism, which has a legacy of 250 years of exploitation and injustice. Resolving this problem will not be done over night. When our economic model changes for the better and we become a much more just society, I'm hoping that the idea of discrimination will largely disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai
give an example of a conflict in a previous workplace and how you resolved itQuote:
Originally Posted by Simon43
The person who represents themself has an idiot for a client...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKW
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